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You've not listed ANYTHING that has improved! LMFAO!

1) The market is up about 50% from its bottom.... which enhances wealth

2) The financial sector is not on the verge of a complete melt down

3) We are not hemorrhaging jobs at a 750k per month pace

4) The dollar has strengthened significantly which helps small to mid size firms (where most of our growth typically comes from) who don't have exposure to foreign markets (on average).


Again, I think policies that have been enacted are going to lead us into another downturn. The technicals on the market support this line of thought as well. But we are in a better place today than we were in February of 2009 from a relative strength position.
 
Actually, the economy IS better than it was when Obama took office. The simple fact that the banking sector is not on the verge of complete implosion is why.

the unfunded obligations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are no less a problem today than they were a year ago......if you think we're out of danger you haven't looked at the inventory of foreclosed houses lately.....

But when doing a relative strength analysis of the economy THEN vs. NOW.... we are better off than we were.
no, we aren't.....primarily because we've used up a billion dollars worth of our borrowing power and spent it on carnival beads......
 
Hiring? The market? Consumer confidence? Manufacturing? GDP? Trends?

All better than the beginning of 2009. But ignore this post, too.

I will ignore it until you fucking document it.....hiring isn't up, we've lost 4million jobs in that year...that's 4million DOWN!......unemployment is still at 15% in my county and we were at 6% in the fall of 2008, real estate transactions are down 60% in the last year......don't feed me a line of bullshit about things being better......
 
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Actually, the economy IS better than it was when Obama took office.

The economy is SLIGHTLY better, but it should be, we've spent nearly a TRILLION taxpayer dollars to make it that way! We've bailed out all kinds of failing sectors, and increased the size and scope of government sector jobs, and even helped people buy new cars! Yes, when you throw a trillion dollars up in the air, the 'economy' is going to look really great for a little bit!

There have been absolutely NO private sector jobs created to speak of, and all of the current policy initiatives from the Obama administration, are counter-intuitive to creation of those. This is why unemployment remains HIGHER than when Obama took office! There is ZERO confidence in the small business sector, that Obama is not going to completely ass rape them.

What is truly amazing, is how pinheads have turned the "Worst economy since the Great Depression" into "The Greatest economy since Reagan" in just 18 months! I think the vast majority of Americans don't see the stark change. Now, maybe the Brainwashing Machine hasn't spun up to 'full cycle' yet? But I just don't think Democrats have much hope if they plan to run on this "wonderful Obama economy!"
 
the unfunded obligations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are no less a problem today than they were a year ago......if you think we're out of danger you haven't looked at the inventory of foreclosed houses lately.....


no, we aren't.....primarily because we've used up a billion dollars worth of our borrowing power and spent it on carnival beads......

1) So, if one segment of the economy isn't better, the economy isn't better?

2) The use of "carnival beads" is typical PMP hyperbole. If you had a leg to stand on, there wouldn't be a need to exaggerate.
 
1) So, if one segment of the economy isn't better, the economy isn't better?

2) The use of "carnival beads" is typical PMP hyperbole. If you had a leg to stand on, there wouldn't be a need to exaggerate.

if none of the segments are better, it sucks.....and fuck your claims of exaggeration......claiming Obama has improved the economy when he's nearly destroyed it is as big an exaggeration as you can find.......
 
lol....they talk about confidence.....I heard a news report this week that Pfeizer is sitting on $28 billion in cash assets they're afraid to use, because they don't know what the economy is going to do......

I think the fact the liberals think the economy is improving is good evidence why you should NEVER have a liberal in charge of the economy.....
 
if none of the segments are better, it sucks.....and fuck your claims of exaggeration......claiming Obama has improved the economy when he's nearly destroyed it is as big an exaggeration as you can find.......

But other segments ARE better. That's what you are conveniently ignoring.

You're ignoring everything that doesn't support your hyper-partisan agenda. And that's why you continue to exaggerate.
 
the unfunded obligations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are no less a problem today than they were a year ago......if you think we're out of danger you haven't looked at the inventory of foreclosed houses lately.....

As I stated, there are many pitfalls that we still must avoid. But as a whole, the financial sector is not on the verge of implosion as it was in early 09.


no, we aren't.....primarily because we've used up a billion dollars worth of our borrowing power and spent it on carnival beads......

I agree that we wasted the money spent on 'stimulus' to a large degree. That does not change what I stated. On a relative strength basis, we are stronger now than we were. That doesn't mean we are out of the woods. As I stated, I think we will head back down. But that was not the question.

The question was 'are we stronger TODAY vs. early 09 when Obama took over'
 
The economy is SLIGHTLY better, but it should be, we've spent nearly a TRILLION taxpayer dollars to make it that way! We've bailed out all kinds of failing sectors, and increased the size and scope of government sector jobs, and even helped people buy new cars! Yes, when you throw a trillion dollars up in the air, the 'economy' is going to look really great for a little bit!

The bolded was my point. We are better than we were at that point in time. I agree the money was spent poorly and that it could have had a greater positive effect. It should have been primarily used to build out infrastructure projects. Instead we wasted it on short term preservation of public sector jobs which provided no long term benefit for the country.

There have been absolutely NO private sector jobs created to speak of, and all of the current policy initiatives from the Obama administration, are counter-intuitive to creation of those. This is why unemployment remains HIGHER than when Obama took office! There is ZERO confidence in the small business sector, that Obama is not going to completely ass rape them.

We agree on this section.

What is truly amazing, is how pinheads have turned the "Worst economy since the Great Depression" into "The Greatest economy since Reagan" in just 18 months! I think the vast majority of Americans don't see the stark change. Now, maybe the Brainwashing Machine hasn't spun up to 'full cycle' yet? But I just don't think Democrats have much hope if they plan to run on this "wonderful Obama economy!"

I don't see too many people touting this economy as any sort of success. There are a few, like Jarod, who have no clue when it comes to economics. I would agree that if the Dems try to tout the economy, they will get crushed.
 
But other segments ARE better. That's what you are conveniently ignoring.

You're ignoring everything that doesn't support your hyper-partisan agenda. And that's why you continue to exaggerate.
The housing market and the building industries are both awesome. Don't you think? :good4u:
 
The housing market and the building industries are both awesome. Don't you think? :good4u:

No - I wouldn't agree to "awesome." See: previous comments to PMP about exaggerating.

The argument here is that things now are better than they were in the beginning of 2009. They are.
 
No - I wouldn't agree to "awesome." See: previous comments to PMP about exaggerating.

The argument here is that things now are better than they were in the beginning of 2009. They are.
I'll tell that to my clients who were down 50% in 2009 from 2008, and are now down 50% in 2010 from 2009.
 
I'll tell that to my clients who were down 50% in 2009 from 2008, and are now down 50% in 2010 from 2009.

You're still not debating on the playing field of economic fundamentals. And I don't know anyone who is down 50% from last year; maybe they should find a new advisor?
 
The bolded was my point. We are better than we were at that point in time. I agree the money was spent poorly and that it could have had a greater positive effect. It should have been primarily used to build out infrastructure projects. Instead we wasted it on short term preservation of public sector jobs which provided no long term benefit for the country.

Gee, it's too bad that EVERY president doesn't get a trillion dollar slush fund to boost the economy in their first year! It's too bad that EVERY president isn't able to ram through plans to spend money we'll never have with his majority in congress! But mostly, it's too bad that such a fairy tale can't be sustained, and will eventually crash and burn.

In 18 months, this goofball and his goofball minions in Congress, have increased the national debt more than it was increased in the first 190 years of our history! At the time Reagan was elected, the national debt was just at $1 trillion... THIS president, all by himself, has already increased it by nearly $2 trillion! 190 years to get to $1 tril... 18 months we doubled that!

We agree on this section.

We agree on a lot of stuff, that's why I can't figure out why you're such a fucking pinhead sometimes! It's like you suffer from John McCainitis or something! You want to flirt with agreement or support for liberal idiocy, because you think it somehow makes you appear 'reasonable and rational' to them.... but what it makes you appear, is an idiot who entertains their insanity!

I don't see too many people touting this economy as any sort of success. There are a few, like Jarod, who have no clue when it comes to economics. I would agree that if the Dems try to tout the economy, they will get crushed.

Well they are going to put a nice rosy colored paint on everything, that is to be expected. But this is going to get politically ugly... they are already attempting to paint the Tea Party as a "racist radical" hate group, a bunch of white supremacists and racists... The idea is to shame people from association, in hopes it will squelch the political message. But people are individuals, and we believe what we believe, they can't take that away from us. We are not beholden to a political party, but an idea, a concept of what America should be, and how we should be doing things... it has nothing to do with race, it has nothing to do with the illusion the left will try to paint.

You are going to see incumbents sent home packing... both Republican and Democrat... people are FED UP with this shit, and things are about to CHANGE.... it just wasn't the CHANGE Mr. Obama was hoping for!
 
You're still not debating on the playing field of economic fundamentals. And I don't know anyone who is down 50% from last year; maybe they should find a new advisor?
My clients are contractors and developers not investors. They obtain work then hire me. I don't find work for them, at least not normally.
 
But other segments ARE better. That's what you are conveniently ignoring.

still waiting for you to point one out.....you thought employment was one, showed that was wrong.....you thought confidence was one, showed that was wrong....national debt has skyrocketed.....where is you're hanging your hat?......
 
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