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On a relative strength basis, we are stronger now than we were.

I'm puzzled on what you base that opinion....we owe four or five trillion more than we did a year ago......this is strength relative to Iceland and Greece?.......certainly not relative to where we were a year aqo........
 
I'm puzzled on what you base that opinion....we owe four or five trillion more than we did a year ago......this is strength relative to Iceland and Greece?.......certainly not relative to where we were a year aqo........

If you had read above, you would have noticed that I have stated numerous times what I base that on.

A quick recap...

1) Stock market is up 50% from when Obama took over.... that is a wealth enhancer

2) Dollar is significantly stronger which helps small and mid size businesses (on the whole) as they tend to sell exclusively locally, while at the same time many get parts from overseas.

3) We are not still dumping 750k jobs per month, which makes it a better situation, despite the fact that those who have lost jobs have not gained them back. Most of those foreclosures/bk's are already factored in to the economy. Again, it is my belief that we could easily slide back into another downturn and I believe something will occur in the short term to trigger that.

4) There is not a fear of a complete collapse of the financial sector. This does not mean they don't still have problems... they do... but the sector is not on the edge as it was in early 2009.

Again, we are not out of the woods and personally I think we are in for a retest of the 2009 lows. But right now, the economy is stronger than it was in early 2009.
 
If you had read above, you would have noticed that I have stated numerous times what I base that on.

A quick recap...

1) Stock market is up 50% from when Obama took over.... that is a wealth enhancer

So the stock market is 50% recovered from the recession that Democrats caused by demanding Freddy and Fannie make loans to people who couldn't afford them, and then spending our grandchildren's futures to bail them out when they collapsed, and this is supposed to be a feather in the Democrat's cap? It's like your teenagers burned the house down while you were away on business, and you return to find a half built shack in place of your home, with someone telling you how much better things are than the night of the fire! These people don't know what they are doing, and they have literally squandered trillions of dollars to prop up an anemic economy, while moving ahead with plans that will destroy even more private sector jobs! It's like you have bought in to some mythical illusion that the economy has turned around, and things are wonderful now, based on a few artificially induced indicators designed to make you believe the illusion!

2) Dollar is significantly stronger which helps small and mid size businesses (on the whole) as they tend to sell exclusively locally, while at the same time many get parts from overseas.

I don't believe the dollar is "significantly" stronger, and nothing is helping the small and midsized businesses, when every policy from this administration is geared to make them have to pay MORE in taxes and employer benefits in the coming years. There is absolutely NOTHING proposed to encourage or stimulate growth, and this is why unemployment remains near 10%.... significantly higher than it ever was under Bush.

3) We are not still dumping 750k jobs per month, which makes it a better situation, despite the fact that those who have lost jobs have not gained them back. Most of those foreclosures/bk's are already factored in to the economy. Again, it is my belief that we could easily slide back into another downturn and I believe something will occur in the short term to trigger that.

Well, you know, eventually you run out of jobs to lose every month! Once companies have trimmed to the bare bones, there are no more jobs to be lost! We've extended unemployment benefits twice under Obama, are we just going to perpetually keep extending them? Where are all these "shovel ready jobs" he PROMISED would be there, if we passed the stimulus?

4) There is not a fear of a complete collapse of the financial sector. This does not mean they don't still have problems... they do... but the sector is not on the edge as it was in early 2009.

The financial sector was never in as much trouble as everyone claimed. Some elements were, Freddy and Fannie were in trouble because Barney Frank and Democrats in Congress literally mandated they make low-interest loans to people who had no business buying the houses they were being financed for, and they went belly up. Again. we dumped hundreds of billions into bailing them out, so of course they aren't in trouble now... but look at what it cost us?

Again, we are not out of the woods and personally I think we are in for a retest of the 2009 lows. But right now, the economy is stronger than it was in early 2009.

And if you want to myopically focus on the raw numbers and pretend it's not artificially created, that's all the proof anyone needs that you are a moron. No, we're not out of the woods, we haven't even started to try and get out of the woods! We're still deep in the forest looking at the pretty trees, and pretending everything is just fine... we're not lost... really!
 
Its a "perfect storm" moment to field the most conservative candidates out there. Newt ain't in that field, IMHO.

Southern Man is right. This is why I fear that America will die in the next twenty years; Republican populist animals will reduce us to a third world state in a decade, at most twenty years. We will be a vassal of China by 2050.
 
still waiting for you to point one out.....you thought employment was one, showed that was wrong.....you thought confidence was one, showed that was wrong....national debt has skyrocketed.....where is you're hanging your hat?......

It's weird trying to debate economics with you. Where did you show employment was "wrong"?

I said the economy was shedding jobs at a dramatic rate at the start of 2009. Now, we're starting to see the first signs of hiring, and we're not shedding jobs at a dramatic rate.

Did you show that was "wrong"? I'd be very interested to see that, and to see how you debunked these pretty clear facts.

And confidence is much better today than at the beginning of 2009. Again - I don't see where you "showed that was wrong."

Your agenda is a partisan one. Every "fact" that you try to forward goes through that filter. It has an effect on credibility.
 
...Where did you show employment was "wrong"?

*sigh*

Unemployment percentages Jan '09 - May '10

2009-01 7.70 7.7
2009-02 8.20 8.2
2009-03 8.60 8.6
2009-04 8.90 8.9
2009-05 9.40 9.4
2009-06 9.50 9.5
2009-07 9.40 9.4
2009-08 9.70 9.7
2009-09 9.80 9.8
2009-10 10.10 10.1
2009-11 10.00 10
2009-12 10.00 10
2010-01 9.70 9.7
2010-02 9.70 9.7
2010-03 9.70 9.7
2010-04 9.90 9.9
2010-05 9.70 9.7

Now where in the fuck is this fantasy world you're living in, where the unemployment situation is BETTER now than in January 2009? We are STILL 2% higher than under Bush, and you were having a fucking cow out of your ear over it going from 4.5% to 6% under Bush!

Bush: 4.5 to 6% ...cow out of the ear!
Obama: 7.7 to 9.7% ...everything is wonderful!

Explain this, moron?
 
It's weird trying to debate economics with you. Where did you show employment was "wrong"?

I said the economy was shedding jobs at a dramatic rate at the start of 2009. Now, we're starting to see the first signs of hiring, and we're not shedding jobs at a dramatic rate.

Did you show that was "wrong"? I'd be very interested to see that, and to see how you debunked these pretty clear facts.
so we look great compared to May of 2010.....we still stand 4 million jobs down from January, 2009....and just a few weeks ago Biden was saying we should expect never to get them back again......and if you refuse to admit those pretty clear facts you're nothing but a liberal pawn.....

And confidence is much better today than at the beginning of 2009. Again - I don't see where you "showed that was wrong."
with the information about Pfeizer....

Your agenda is a partisan one. Every "fact" that you try to forward goes through that filter. It has an effect on credibility.

/shrugs.....considering what you've presented so far, I would say my credibility is doing handstands on top of yours.......
 
compare consumer confidence between the Bush administration and the Obama administration.....then remember how much you thought the Bush administration sucked....
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http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/UMCSENT/
 
LOL

This is getting WAY too comedic.

PMP? Dixie? I'm not talking about now vs. "the Bush years." I'm not talking about unemployment percentages; as I said to Annie, I would have predicted 10% unemployment with any President & any policy. There was no stopping the job losses on a dime.

All I said - and I think I should start speaking more slowly for you two - is that we were shedding jobs dramatically in the beginning of 2009, and now we're not. Oh, and we're starting to see some hiring, as well.

Ergo, things are turning around. The employment situation is BETTER now than it was in 2009. People are more confident today than they were in 2009.

Get it? Probably not. You lose something intellectually when you decide to argue solely from a partisan perspective.
 
Bush: 4.5 to 6% ...cow out of the ear!
Obama: 7.7 to 9.7% ...everything is wonderful!

'Nuff said!

We experienced one of the worst economic freefalls in history under Bush.

Under Obama, we're on the upswing.

And c'mon - didn't you think PMP's chart was funny? All this time, he's been ridiculing me for claiming that confidence is up over last year, and then he goes & posts a chart that shows it. How can it get better than that?
 
We experienced one of the worst economic freefalls in history under Bush.

Under Obama, we're on the upswing.

And c'mon - didn't you think PMP's chart was funny? All this time, he's been ridiculing me for claiming that confidence is up over last year, and then he goes & posts a chart that shows it. How can it get better than that?

Bush: 4.5 to 6% ...cow out of the ear!
Obama: 7.7 to 9.7% ...everything is wonderful!

And just what the fuck is "confidence" anyway? I mean, as far as a REAL economic factor of how things are going? How do they determine it? Do you even know?
 
compare consumer confidence between the Bush administration and the Obama administration.....then remember how much you thought the Bush administration sucked....
UMCSENT_Max_630_378.png


http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/UMCSENT/

Dude, can you even read your own graph? According to the very graph you posted consumer confidence peaked at the end of the Clinton administration, trended downwards the entire duration of the Bush years where it hit rock bottom thinks to W being asleep at the wheel again. Obama picks up and inherits Bush's disaster and though we are far from being out of the hole Bush put us into we've been trending upwards since 2009 and you want to blame Obama.......yea...right.....no wonder America has the least amount of confidence in conservatives then any other political group.
 
Dude, can you even read your own graph? According to the very graph you posted consumer confidence peaked at the end of the Clinton administration, trended downwards the entire duration of the Bush years where it hit rock bottom thinks to W being asleep at the wheel again. Obama picks up and inherits Bush's disaster and though we are far from being out of the hole Bush put us into we've been trending upwards since 2009 and you want to blame Obama.......yea...right.....no wonder America has the least amount of confidence in conservatives then any other political group.

what are you guys, the blind leading the blind?......only a liberal would take heart for the fact that consumer confidence under Obama is on par with consumer confidence under Carter......
 
what are you guys, the blind leading the blind?......only a liberal would take heart for the fact that consumer confidence under Obama is on par with consumer confidence under Carter......

Why do you keep twisting words and exaggerating?

The main point we were discussing was that confidence was better now than in 2009, which you said you had "shown was wrong." Then, you went on to post a chart which was pretty conclusive that I was correct.

Again - thanks.
 
Newt running would be comedy central gold.
Can you imagine the kind of new ass he would tear Sarah Baracuda?
 
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