anonymoose
Classical Liberal
How is it a lie that Trump was elected twice?
Sounds like you’re the one doing the morning drinking.
I am new but not new?
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Sounds like you’re the one doing the morning drinking.
I have no fear, Frank. I'm too old!
Like I said, potato head ain't too bright...
So, you think ICE shooting citizens is just noise and nothing to be outraged over?
You think the DOJ letting Homan skate by is just noise and we need to get over it?
You think DonOld’s bitcoin scam is just noise and we need to get over it?
You think DonOld’s accepting a plane from the UAE is just noise and we should get over it?
You feel human being sent off to concentration camps or “disappeared” is just noise and we should get over it?
You feel DonOld sending troops into LA, Portland, Chicago, Memphis and DC is just noise and we should get over it?
I respectfully disagree, these are huge red flags and I’m not getting over these abuses of the Constitution.
gfm7175
Mega MAGA
I was raised the same way. I call this the "Schoolhouse Rock" version of what government is and how it works. Unfortunately, I now have a number of reasons to believe that this version of what government is and how it works is now an "outdated" view. Don't get me wrong, I think that such a version is the way that government SHOULD be (and what it constitutionally IS), but unfortunately such a version isn't the way that government (as a general whole) actually operates in the present day.
This is a specific topic that you and I will disagree on (at least during this moment).
After all the evidence that I've seen, and the events that I witnessed with my own eyes in 2020, I've completely lost my prior trust in the legitimacy of elections. Since then, I've also learned how "the game" is played within the RNC and the DNC camps themselves (during the primaries) in order to get their "approved" (insider) candidates to win the primaries for their respective parties over any "unapproved" (outsider) We-The-People-representing candidates.
For the RNC side in particular, in 2016, the "approved" (insider) candidate was Jeb! (Jeb Bush). After Jeb! fizzled into nothingness, "plan B" was Ted! (Ted Cruz). He didn't stop Trump either. In 2024, the "approved" (insider) candidate was Ron! (Ron DeSantis). His campaign failed miserably from the start and didn't last very long, so "plan B" was Nikki! (Nikki Haley). She didn't stop Trump either.
The attacks against Trump came from "both" sides (they're really the same side behind closed doors). The RNC side had to pretend to generally support him while simultaneously running several "This person is Trump without actually being Trump" (insider) candidates against him. The RNC side also purposely sat idly by as the DNC side did their dirty work with their lawfare operations (which include but are not limited to: trying to disqualify and remove Trump from the ballot, trying to press all sorts of bogus criminal charges against him, finally getting one conviction in a kangaroo court in Manhattan so that they could endlessly parrot the words "CONVICTED FELON!!!! OMGzzzzz HE'S A CONVICTED FELON!!!!!!!, and even trying to jail him just like what has happened to other "unapproved" populist candidates all over the world in so-called "democratic" countries).
Oh, and don't forget the assassination attempts after the lawfare didn't work. Now that he's in office again, the DNC are back to their lawfare tactics, having rogue "judges" in district courts "play President" [usurping the authority of the Executive Branch] by placing illegitimate stays on pretty much all of President Trump's lawful agenda that We The People voted for, forcing his administration to have to spend the time to get all of those illegitimate stays overturned in appeals.
Trump's campaign was also spied on by Obama's government (and the corrupt Intelligence Community within it). They regularly used the FBI and the NSA database to spy on their political opposition. They completely fabricated the "Russia" hoax, the "pee pee dossier", the "Epstein" hoax, etc etc. They also raided his home because they suspected that Trump possessed documents that implicated them for their cover ups of their crimes.
There's too much information to put into one post that explains just how far this country has fallen from the "Schoolhouse Rock" version of what government is and how it works, but "both" sides are much more corrupt than most people know.
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Not happening.
WTF?
Know nothing about it.
What's the problem accepting a gift to the United States?
What are you talking about?
It's about enforcing existing laws.
Since when have you supported the constitution?
Evan Keal
Verified User
Yeah, the reports are bad. But this isn’t the first time America’s faced ugly politics or heavy hands in power. We’ve had internment camps, segregation laws, McCarthy’s witch hunts, and more corruption than anyone cares to count. Presidents and parties both have overstepped plenty. And still, the Republic held. Elections went on. New people took the reins.
I’m not excusing a thing — just remembering the record. We’ve weathered storms before. We’ll do it again. That’s the deal we make with freedom: when it breaks, we fix it. Not with hate or violence, but with votes, voices, and conscience.
Evan Keal
Verified User
The minute we stop believing in elections, we lose the only peaceful power we’ve got. If we decide every loss means “it must’ve been rigged,” then the whole foundation cracks. The truth is, America’s had messy elections since the beginning — some dirtier than others — but we’ve always managed to move forward because people still showed up, voted, and trusted that the process, not the personalities, was worth fighting for.
You don’t have to like who wins. You don’t even have to like the system some days. But if we ever quit believing in it altogether, that’s when we really lose the country.
You referred to the “flawed” election. There wasn’t one. A right wing lie.
gfm7175
Mega MAGA
Agreed with you both.
This is where I disagree with you both.
Will you explain how so?
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Wow. We must be pretty fucking stupid as a nation not to learn from those mistakes. LOL
Agreed, We, the People, will get through this. The $64 Question being "How many Americans will suffer to get there?" I expect at least a few dozen dead innocent Americans murdered by Herr Trump's masked secret police or military before our nation gets back on course.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
The last one was too.
Mail in voting for national elections is always flawed. (Not to be confused with absentee voting.)
Even some of the democrats here pointed that out.
gfm7175
Mega MAGA
A lot of people get shot every day in Chicago alone. Maybe that'll change now that Trump is doing the job that Pritzker, Johnson, and the Chicago police refuse to do. I'm sure that plenty of the residents of Chicago will appreciate Trump's efforts.
Many leftists resort to violence without any sort of inciting. See the 2020 "Summer of Love" as an example.
... and now YOU are inciting violence...
gfm7175
Mega MAGA
A lot of "the present administration" doesn't actually back Trump to the hilt; it's just part of the kabuki theater. Some of them seemingly actually DO though, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. He does need to have a few people around him who he can trust.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
We, the People, are certainly on the path. To paraphrase Charles Dickens, "If these shadows remain unaltered by the Future, Americans will die." Donald Trump, of course, couldn't care less as he often proclaims.
"Spirit," said Scrooge with an interest he had never felt before, "tell me if Tiny Tim will live."
"I see a vacant seat," replied the Ghost, "in the poor chimney-corner, and a crutch without an owner, carefully preserved. If these shadows remain unaltered by the Future, the child will die."
"No, no," said Scrooge. "Oh, no, kind Spirit! say he will be spared."
"If these shadows remain unaltered by the Future, none other of my race," returned the Ghost, "will find him here. What then? If he be like to die, he had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
Scrooge hung his head to hear his own words quoted by the Spirit, and was overcome with penitence and grief.
"Man," said the Ghost, "if man you be in heart, not adamant, forbear that wicked cant until you have discovered What the surplus is, and Where it is. Will you decide what men shall live, what men shall die? It may be that, in the sight of Heaven, you are more worthless and less fit to live than millions like this poor man's child.
gfm7175
Mega MAGA
^^^ VERY wise words.
It does NO good to get consumed by hatred toward one's fellow man.
This is also a Biblical concept, in which the Bible says: "don't let the sun go down on your anger".
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
I strongly doubt Trump's civil war will be anything like Abraham Lincoln's. IMO, it'll look more like the 1960s than the 1860s.
Still, history is a great teacher as George Santayana often advised and allows students of history to project the future based upon past patterns of human social behaviors.
The Life of Reason: The Phases of Human Progress by George Santayana
Free kindle book and epub digitized and proofread by volunteers.
change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is
set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as
among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past
are condemned to repeat it. In the first stage of life the mind is
frivolous and easily distracted; it misses progress by failing in
consecutiveness and persistence. This is the condition of children and
barbarians, in whom instinct has learned nothing from experience. In a
second stage men are docile to events, plastic to new habits and
suggestions, yet able to graft them on original instincts, which they
thus bring to fuller satisfaction. This is the plane of manhood and
true progress. Last comes a stage when retentiveness is exhausted and
all that happens is at once forgotten; a vain, because unpractical,
repetition of the past takes the place of plasticity and fertile
readaptation. In a moving world readaptation is the price of longevity.
The hard shell, far from protecting the vital principle, condemns it to
die down slowly and be gradually chilled; immortality in such a case
must have been secured earlier, by giving birth to a generation plastic
to the contemporary world and able to retain its lessons. Thus old age
is as forgetful as youth, and more incorrigible; it displays the same
inattentiveness to conditions; its memory becomes self-repeating and
degenerates into an instinctive reaction, like a bird’s chirp.
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gfm7175
Mega MAGA
That sounds awful. Where is this actually happening? Can you show me?
Idk what this means.
What "bitcoin scam"?
What's so bad about the US Air Force accepting a plane from the UAE?
That sounds awful. Where is this actually happening? Can you show me?
Why are "troops" being sent to those places? What are they doing there?
What "abuses of the Constitution"? Show me which parts of it are being abused by the current administration.
That is what I have said dozens of times here in JPP and in other fora. TRUMP DEFINITELY IS MY PRESIDENT...JUST AS HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF ALL AMERICANS.
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I HAVE TO BE REMINDED NOT TO REFUTE IT?
The fact that it is not happening (if that is a FACT) does not mean it should not be discussed as something that could happen and probably should be guarded against happening.