Why It's Good To Be A Liberal

Excellent post Mott. I need to go back and see if the reactionary conservatives have had a thought, doubtful.



"Liberals believe individuals should doubt their own truths and consider fairly and open-mindedly the truths of others. This is at the very heart of liberalism. Liberals understand, as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes once observed, that "time has upset many fighting faiths." Liberals are skeptical of censorship and celebrate free and open debate." Geoffrey R. Stone


Best book on conservatives: http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/HIRRHE.html?show=reviews


"Liberals demand that the social order should in principle be capable of explaining itself at the tribunal of each person's understanding." Jeremy Waldron

Great book on leftists:

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Have you apologized yet for helping to lie us into the Iraq fiasco, and being responsible for the untimely deaths of hundreds of thousands of people?

Thank you for proving my point. Has John Kerry and Bill Clinton apologized for the exact same thing yet? Because they both "lied" the same lie, and it was Clinton who didn't take the radical Islam problem seriously after the first several attacks. But you're a good liberal, absolutely NO culpability or responsibility, and finding someone else to blame.

Outstanding! This is comedy gold coming from the dude who wrote a love poem about Shrub, and later claimed to have "never really supported Bush".

Sorry, I didn't write a "love poem" to Bush. I also never said that I didn't support Bush. Again, you prove my point by hurling out one dishonest lie after another with no apparent conscience about it. In fact, being a liberal, you think it is "cleverness" not dishonesty.

I posted a thread entitled "I Love Bush" after months and months of "I hate Bush" threads, and it was intended to get under the skin of liberals, which it obviously did... it's still there! I have also said that I wasn't crazy about Bush or his father... I never claimed I didn't support them.

Hey man, speaking of having no principles, isn't there a thread on here where in the course of less than an hour you went from saying the BP oil spill wasn't that big of a problem - to saying that it was "Obama's Katrina", a disaster of epic and historic proportions?

Nope... Again, you can't type a sentence without telling a lie. I defended the statement Rush made about the ocean being 'self-cleaning' ...it is, and that is just a biological fact, and I was just being honest... I know, you don't even recognize honesty anymore, but that's what it looks like. And I actually posted a thread saying that I thought it was an unfair comparison to Katrina, Bush actually did stuff, while Obama continues to do nothing. But I am constantly amazed... how do you come up with all the lies? I mean, every sentence, full of lies, constantly and consistently, that takes some effort... but not for you, it seems to just come naturally. Heck, I can't even lie to the bill collectors! I don't know how you do it every sentence, that really takes some effort.

It's true....I always vote for the most viable liberal candidate that is available to me, I hate being white, and I'm prone to concerning myself with dolphin hugger shit like the environment, equality, and egalitarianism. And true to my communist roots I maintain the outrageous premise that public tax dollars should be spend on healthcare and infrastructure rather than war and defense contractors.

OMG... You actually told the truth! I bet it took you an hour of editing to take out the lies you originally typed in that paragraph. But still, it was very impressive that you were able to do that, not a single lie in a whole paragraph... that's got to be some kind of record for you! I bet you are proud!

But, it would be awesome to hear of your non-partisan and free-thinking adventures: Who was the last democratic candidate for president you voted for?

Jimmy Carter.

And also can you please stop whining and begging liberals to take rightwing ideology serious, to stop "hating you", and pleading with liberals to respect you; get some self esteem, man!

LMFAO... I don't expect liberals to take rightwing ideology seriously, that would mean you have to give up being dishonest and unethical, and you might develop the shakes from withdrawals. I also don't care if you hate me, unlike some of the McCainanites, I don't have a need to be liked by liberals. And why would I want to gain the respect of despicable dishonest lying hacks? Maybe if I were trying to convert to liberalism that would be important to me, but really, I don't see the point otherwise.
 
The "I Love Bush" thread - I had almost forgotten. What an instant classic!

I'd characterize it more as a love letter, but love poem is close enough. It was certainly gaga about Bush....
 
Originally Posted by Cypress
Have you apologized yet for helping to lie us into the Iraq fiasco, and being responsible for the untimely deaths of hundreds of thousands of people?
Originally Posted by Dixie

Thank you for proving my point. Has John Kerry and Bill Clinton apologized for the exact same thing yet? Because they both "lied" the same lie, and it was Clinton who didn't take the radical Islam problem seriously after the first several attacks. But you're a good liberal, absolutely NO culpability or responsibility, and finding someone else to blame.

Here ya go. Kerry apologized. I’ve cut slack for everyone – including Republicans, like Chuck Hagel and Walter Jones – who have admitted wrong-doing in voting for or supporting the Iraq War.
Kerry voices deep regret for voting for Iraq war
`There's nothing -- nothing -- in my life in public service I regret more, nothing even close," Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat, wrote in a dispatch on the liberal blog HuffingtonPost.com. ``We should all be willing to say: I was wrong, I should not have voted for the Iraq War Resolution."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w...y_voices_deep_regret_for_voting_for_iraq_war/

So Dixie, now that we’ve established people have apologized for your war, I assume you are prepared to publicly apologize for being an enthusiastic, giddy, and blood lusting supporter of that fiasco?

The following statement – basically copied from Kerry’s statement – is pending your approval.


Dixie’s Statement of Apology for Supporting the Iraq War.

There's nothing -- nothing -- in my life in public service I regret more, nothing even close, than supporting the Iraq War. We should all be willing to say: “I was wrong, I should not have supported the Iraq War."


Signature Pending

Dixie

______________________________ June 11, 2010.
 
Sorry Prissy, I have Iraqi friends, and they are very grateful for the liberation of their country. I make no apology for getting rid of Saddam Hussein. I will, however, apologize for Colin Powell and George Bush spending months appealing to the UN for sanctions and inspections, as that seems to be where the liberals gained so much traction for their idiotic views on Iraq. Bush should have done like Clinton and Obama, and just ignored the UN entirely and taken matters into his own hands early on. We could have probably achieved the same results before liberals were even aware we did it... but Bush was trying to "do the right thing" and it turned out costing him in the long run.

By the way.... on this topic, I read an interesting article yesterday about those WMD's we never found. Seems they were indeed smuggled into Syria, according to Ukrainian intelligence, and eyewitness reports from Russian pilots.
 
The "I Love Bush" thread - I had almost forgotten. What an instant classic!

I'd characterize it more as a love letter, but love poem is close enough. It was certainly gaga about Bush....

Like I said, it was done in response to the flood of "I HATE BUSH" threads, which dominated the board at the time. My full intention was to irritate liberals by being cocky and defiant, and I most certainly achieved that objective. Lookit, here we are all these years later, and you are still talking about it... I must have made one hell of an impact!

To me, that is the most gratifying part of being a Living Legend. Things like this are immortalized and become larger than life. At the time, I would have just settled for pissing off a few pinheads and causing a few insults to be hurled, that would have been a 'victory' from my perspective, I really had no idea my words would become so profoundly entrenched as part of liberal history.
 
Sorry Prissy, I have Iraqi friends, and they are very grateful for the liberation of their country. I make no apology for getting rid of Saddam Hussein. I will, however, apologize for Colin Powell and George Bush spending months appealing to the UN for sanctions and inspections, as that seems to be where the liberals gained so much traction for their idiotic views on Iraq. Bush should have done like Clinton and Obama, and just ignored the UN entirely and taken matters into his own hands early on. We could have probably achieved the same results before liberals were even aware we did it... but Bush was trying to "do the right thing" and it turned out costing him in the long run.

By the way.... on this topic, I read an interesting article yesterday about those WMD's we never found. Seems they were indeed smuggled into Syria, according to Ukrainian intelligence, and eyewitness reports from Russian pilots.


According to Ukranian intelligence, huh? Right. I'm just oh so sure that the Ukranian intelligence knows so much more about what Iraq was up to than U.S. intelligence. And eyewitness accounts of Russian pilots? Let me guess, they saw trucks entering Syria from Iraq? Well, it must have been WMD being transported, right? Just like this was all WMD stuff:

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Yeah, how'd that work out?
 
Russian pilots - a new classic. The trucks must have had big signs reading "dangerous chemical stuff" and "yellow cake" on the top....
 
According to Ukranian intelligence, huh? Right. I'm just oh so sure that the Ukranian intelligence knows so much more about what Iraq was up to than U.S. intelligence. And eyewitness accounts of Russian pilots? Let me guess, they saw trucks entering Syria from Iraq? Well, it must have been WMD being transported, right? Just like this was all WMD stuff:

iraqweapon.gif


Yeah, how'd that work out?

{EXCERPT}

On February 24, 2009, I went to see a talk Duelfer gave at the Free Library of Philadelphia to promote his book. He admitted there were some “loose ends” regarding the possibility that Iraqi WMD went to Syria, but dismissed them. Among these “loose ends,” Duelfer said, was the inability to track down the Iraqis who worked for a company connected to Uday Hussein that sources said had driven “sensitive” material into Syria. A Pentagon document reveals that an Iraqi dissident reported that 50 trucks crossed the border on March 10, 2003, and that his sources in Syria confirmed they carried WMD. These trucks have been talked about frequently and remain a mystery.

During the question-and-answer period and during a follow-up interview, Duelfer made several interesting statements to me that reinforced my confidence that such a transfer occurred, although we can not be sure of the extent of it.

General Georges Sada, the former second-in-command of the Iraqi Air Force, claimed in his 2006 book that he knew two Iraqi pilots that flew WMD into Syria over the summer of 2002, which came before a later shipment on the ground. I asked Duelfer if Nizar Nayouf or the two Iraqi pilots were spoken with.

“I did not interview the pilots nor did I speak with the Syrian journalist you mentioned,” he said. “We were inundated with WMD reports and could not investigate them all. … To narrow the problem, we investigated those people and places we knew would have either been involved or aware of regime WMD activities.”

He then told me that the lack of testimony about such dealings is what convinced him that “a lot of material went to Syria, but no WMD.” He cited the testimony of Naji Sabri, the former Iraqi foreign minister, in particular.

“I knew him very well, and I had been authorized to make his life a lot better, or a lot worse,” he told me.

He said that Sabri’s position would make him aware of any such deal between the two countries. However, in his book, Duelfer said that Sabri had nothing to do with any of Iraq’s WMD efforts at any time. “His statements on WMD from an intelligence perspective would have been irrelevant,” Duelfer wrote.

“Someone among the people we interviewed would have described this,” Duelfer said. However, such testimony does exist. Don Bordenkircher, who served as the national director of jail and prison operations in Iraq for two years, told me that he spoke to about 40 Iraqis, either military personnel or civilians assigned to the military, who talked about the WMDs going to Syria and Lebanon, with some claiming they were actually involved. Their stories matched and were not contradictory, he said. Another military source of mine related to me how an Iraqi intelligence captain in Al-Qaim claimed to have witnessed the movement of suspicious convoys into Syria between February and March 2003.

I also asked Duelfer if he was aware of the intelligence provided by the Ukrainians and other sources that the Russians were in Iraq helping to cleanse the country shortly before the invasion. His facial expressions before I even finished the question showed he genuinely had never even heard of this.

As explained in detail in Ken Timmerman’s book Shadow Warriors, high-level meetings were held on February 10-12, 2004, involving officials from the U.S., the UK, and Ukraine. Among the attendees were Deputy Undersecretary of Defense John A. Shaw, the head of MI6, and the head of Ukrainian intelligence, Ihor Smeshko. The Ukrainians provided all the details of the Russian effort, including the dates and locations of meetings to plan the intervention and even the names of the Russian Spetsnaz officers involved. Shaw also worked with a British source that ran an intelligence network in the region and provided substantiation and additional details.

The former head of Romanian intelligence during the Cold War, Ion Pacepa, has provided supporting testimony. He says that he had personal knowledge of a Soviet plan called “Operation Sarindar” where the Russians would cleanse a rogue state ally of any traces of illicit activity if threatened with Western attack. The plan’s purpose was to deny the West of any evidence incriminating Russia or its ally. The presence of Russian advisors in Iraq shortly before the invasion, some of whom received medals from Saddam Hussein, is a strong indication that this plan was followed.

Dave Gaubatz, who was the first civilian federal agent deployed to Iraq, told me that he saw intelligence that “suggested that some WMD had been moved to Syria with the help of Russian intelligence.” Iraqis personally confirmed to him that there was a Russian presence before the American soldiers arrived.

Amazingly, Duelfer seems to have never been informed of this intelligence. “This does not mean … that it was not passed on to ISG [Iraq Survey Group],” he said to me later. The fact that the head of the WMD search was never even made aware of this indicates something went seriously wrong. In Timmerman’s book, Shaw says that Smeshko complained about the CIA’s station chief in Kiev not being cooperative. Timmerman researched the station and chief and found that he was very close with other people in the intelligence community who were doing their best to fight Bush administration policies.

Duelfer actually provides information that supports this account. He confirmed that Russia was helping Iraq’s illegal ballistic missile program and had close ties to Saddam’s regime.

“Russians were present in Iraq for many activities. … Russian officials regularly met with Iraqi officials. … Russian KGB officers were in regular contact with the regime at very senior levels. … Russian businessmen were all over Baghdad trying to secure a variety of deals. And of course Russians, including very senior Russians, were in receipt of lucrative oil allocations under the UN Oil-For-Food Program,” Duelfer told me.

The theory that Iraq’s WMD went to Syria is not a fringe conspiracy theory. John Loftus, a former Justice Department prosecutor known for his wide-ranging contacts in the intelligence community, said in an interview we did that “every senior member of a Western, European or Asian intelligence service whom I have ever met all agree that the Russians moved the last of the WMDs out of Iraq in the last few months before the war.”

General Tommy Franks and General Michael DeLong, the top two officials in CENTCOM when the invasion began, have spoken of credible intelligence supporting the theory. General James Clapper, President Obama’s pick to replace Dennis Blair as director of national intelligence, has previously stated his belief that the weapons went to Syria and took part in the meetings organized by Shaw.

Much more evidence exists that the WMD went to Syria, as documented here. Obviously, it is impossible to prove and we do not know exactly what went to Syria, but the history books on this issue shouldn’t be written just yet.
 
Russian pilots - a new classic. The trucks must have had big signs reading "dangerous chemical stuff" and "yellow cake" on the top....

Yes, since that would be the ONLY thing a Liberal would ever accept as "evidence" in this matter. Anything short of that, and the Lying Libs just give the Nancy Pelosi stare, and claim there is no proof.
 
{EXCERPT}

On February 24, 2009, I went to see a talk Duelfer gave at the Free Library of Philadelphia to promote his book. He admitted there were some “loose ends” regarding the possibility that Iraqi WMD went to Syria, but dismissed them. Among these “loose ends,” Duelfer said, was the inability to track down the Iraqis who worked for a company connected to Uday Hussein that sources said had driven “sensitive” material into Syria. A Pentagon document reveals that an Iraqi dissident reported that 50 trucks crossed the border on March 10, 2003, and that his sources in Syria confirmed they carried WMD. These trucks have been talked about frequently and remain a mystery.

During the question-and-answer period and during a follow-up interview, Duelfer made several interesting statements to me that reinforced my confidence that such a transfer occurred, although we can not be sure of the extent of it.

General Georges Sada, the former second-in-command of the Iraqi Air Force, claimed in his 2006 book that he knew two Iraqi pilots that flew WMD into Syria over the summer of 2002, which came before a later shipment on the ground. I asked Duelfer if Nizar Nayouf or the two Iraqi pilots were spoken with.

“I did not interview the pilots nor did I speak with the Syrian journalist you mentioned,” he said. “We were inundated with WMD reports and could not investigate them all. … To narrow the problem, we investigated those people and places we knew would have either been involved or aware of regime WMD activities.”

He then told me that the lack of testimony about such dealings is what convinced him that “a lot of material went to Syria, but no WMD.” He cited the testimony of Naji Sabri, the former Iraqi foreign minister, in particular.

“I knew him very well, and I had been authorized to make his life a lot better, or a lot worse,” he told me.

He said that Sabri’s position would make him aware of any such deal between the two countries. However, in his book, Duelfer said that Sabri had nothing to do with any of Iraq’s WMD efforts at any time. “His statements on WMD from an intelligence perspective would have been irrelevant,” Duelfer wrote.

“Someone among the people we interviewed would have described this,” Duelfer said. However, such testimony does exist. Don Bordenkircher, who served as the national director of jail and prison operations in Iraq for two years, told me that he spoke to about 40 Iraqis, either military personnel or civilians assigned to the military, who talked about the WMDs going to Syria and Lebanon, with some claiming they were actually involved. Their stories matched and were not contradictory, he said. Another military source of mine related to me how an Iraqi intelligence captain in Al-Qaim claimed to have witnessed the movement of suspicious convoys into Syria between February and March 2003.

I also asked Duelfer if he was aware of the intelligence provided by the Ukrainians and other sources that the Russians were in Iraq helping to cleanse the country shortly before the invasion. His facial expressions before I even finished the question showed he genuinely had never even heard of this.

As explained in detail in Ken Timmerman’s book Shadow Warriors, high-level meetings were held on February 10-12, 2004, involving officials from the U.S., the UK, and Ukraine. Among the attendees were Deputy Undersecretary of Defense John A. Shaw, the head of MI6, and the head of Ukrainian intelligence, Ihor Smeshko. The Ukrainians provided all the details of the Russian effort, including the dates and locations of meetings to plan the intervention and even the names of the Russian Spetsnaz officers involved. Shaw also worked with a British source that ran an intelligence network in the region and provided substantiation and additional details.

The former head of Romanian intelligence during the Cold War, Ion Pacepa, has provided supporting testimony. He says that he had personal knowledge of a Soviet plan called “Operation Sarindar” where the Russians would cleanse a rogue state ally of any traces of illicit activity if threatened with Western attack. The plan’s purpose was to deny the West of any evidence incriminating Russia or its ally. The presence of Russian advisors in Iraq shortly before the invasion, some of whom received medals from Saddam Hussein, is a strong indication that this plan was followed.

Dave Gaubatz, who was the first civilian federal agent deployed to Iraq, told me that he saw intelligence that “suggested that some WMD had been moved to Syria with the help of Russian intelligence.” Iraqis personally confirmed to him that there was a Russian presence before the American soldiers arrived.

Amazingly, Duelfer seems to have never been informed of this intelligence. “This does not mean … that it was not passed on to ISG [Iraq Survey Group],” he said to me later. The fact that the head of the WMD search was never even made aware of this indicates something went seriously wrong. In Timmerman’s book, Shaw says that Smeshko complained about the CIA’s station chief in Kiev not being cooperative. Timmerman researched the station and chief and found that he was very close with other people in the intelligence community who were doing their best to fight Bush administration policies.

Duelfer actually provides information that supports this account. He confirmed that Russia was helping Iraq’s illegal ballistic missile program and had close ties to Saddam’s regime.

“Russians were present in Iraq for many activities. … Russian officials regularly met with Iraqi officials. … Russian KGB officers were in regular contact with the regime at very senior levels. … Russian businessmen were all over Baghdad trying to secure a variety of deals. And of course Russians, including very senior Russians, were in receipt of lucrative oil allocations under the UN Oil-For-Food Program,” Duelfer told me.

The theory that Iraq’s WMD went to Syria is not a fringe conspiracy theory. John Loftus, a former Justice Department prosecutor known for his wide-ranging contacts in the intelligence community, said in an interview we did that “every senior member of a Western, European or Asian intelligence service whom I have ever met all agree that the Russians moved the last of the WMDs out of Iraq in the last few months before the war.”

General Tommy Franks and General Michael DeLong, the top two officials in CENTCOM when the invasion began, have spoken of credible intelligence supporting the theory. General James Clapper, President Obama’s pick to replace Dennis Blair as director of national intelligence, has previously stated his belief that the weapons went to Syria and took part in the meetings organized by Shaw.

Much more evidence exists that the WMD went to Syria, as documented here. Obviously, it is impossible to prove and we do not know exactly what went to Syria, but the history books on this issue shouldn’t be written just yet.


Hilarious. Hey, where's the link?
 
Hilarious. Hey, where's the link?

Why? So you can pick apart the source because it's not MSNBC? Hell, you fuckwits have so brainwashed yourselves about this, that Keith Olbermann and Rachel Madcow could come out tomorrow saying... We've SEEN the WMD's in Syria... and you retards would still deny it... We'd hear conspiracy theories about how the NEOCONS got to Keith and Rachel somehow... but you would not accept anything that contradicts your assertion the WMDs never existed.
 
Why? So you can pick apart the source because it's not MSNBC? Hell, you fuckwits have so brainwashed yourselves about this, that Keith Olbermann and Rachel Madcow could come out tomorrow saying... We've SEEN the WMD's in Syria... and you retards would still deny it... We'd hear conspiracy theories about how the NEOCONS got to Keith and Rachel somehow... but you would not accept anything that contradicts your assertion the WMDs never existed.


"We" ain't found shit!

- Spaceballs, c. 1987

 
A song by Mott the Hoople (uhhhh sorry Mac!)

Oh Lord it's hard to be conservative
When you're dull in every way.
I dread to look in the mirror
Cause I keep getting grayer each day

To know me is to despise me
I must be one jerk of a man
Oh Lord it's hard to be conservative
When your a mean spirited Republican

I used to have a wife
but she just couldn't compete
with all the right wing flyers
crumpled in balls at my feet.

Well I could probably find another
but I guess their all scared of my company
Who cares, I never get lonesome
When I have Rush Limbaugh talking to me.

OH Lord it's hard to be conservative
when your dull in every way.
I dread to look in the mirror
Cause I keep getting grayer each day.

To know me is to despise me
I must be one jerk of a man
Oh Lord it's hard to be conservative
When your a mean spirited Republican.

I guess I could be a blogger
A spin doctor shrill and loud
I could have lots of dittoheads follow me
and George W Bush would be proud.

Some folks say I'm a reactionary,
Hell I don't even know what that means.
I guess it must have something to do
With my building a wayback machine.

OH Lord it's hard to be conservative
when your dull in every way.
I dread to look in the mirror
Cause I keep getting grayer each day.

To know me is to despise me
I must be one jerk of a man
Oh Lord it's hard to be conservative
When I'm a mean spirited Republican.
Where all mean Spirited Republicans!

Very funny, but there are a few egregious violations of meter and rhyme. How about:

Oh Lord, it's hard to be right wing,
Where you're clueless in every way.
I can't stand to look in the mirror,
Cuz I get dumber looking each day.

To know me is to loathe me,
I must be a cranky old twit.
Oh Lord, it's hard to be right wing,
But can't help being stupid as shit.

OR

To know me is to loathe me,
I'm just old Sean Hannity's bitch.
Oh Lord, it's hard to be right wing.
Giving blow jobs to the filthy rich

OR

To know me is to loathe me,
I'm just a foil hat-wearing nut
Oh Lord, it's hard to be right wing,
With my head up Rush Limbaugh's fat butt.

You like?
 
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Very funny, but there are a few egregious violations of meter and rhyme. How about:

Oh Lord, it's hard to be right wing,
Where you're clueless in every way.
I can't stand to look in the mirror,
Cuz I get dumber looking each day.

To know me is to loathe me,
I must be a cranky old twit.
Oh Lord, it's hard to be right wing,
But can't help being stupid as shit.

OR

To know me is to loathe me,
I'm just old Sean Hannity's bitch.
Oh Lord, it's hard to be right wing.
Giving blow jobs to the filthy rich

OR

To know me is to loathe me,
I'm just a foil hat-wearing nut
Oh Lord, it's hard to be right wing,
With my head up Rush Limbaugh's fat butt.

You like?
I am humbled but you must admit, mine wasn't bad for an inspired first draft written over my morning cup of joe in 10 minutes. I was also trying my best to stay true to Macs compostion. I like what I did on the verst but must admit you have some good ideas on the chorus.
 
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Oh, it was a hell of a first draft. Inspired is the right word.
Hmmm I might make this revision
based on your second chorus

To know me is to to loathe me
I must be a cranky old man
Oh Lord it's hard to be right wing
and a mean spirited Republican.
 
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