Trump Admin bans Harvard from enrolling foreign / international students

[BartenderElite]

I don't think Harvard stands much of a chance here outside shopping a judge that simply by judicial fiat says Trump's order is invalid. Even then, that would be a temporary solution. Neither the courts nor Harvard have any real ability to challenge US foreign policy decisions, and this is what this decision amounts to. Congress could legislate to override this decision, but they'd need Trump to sign off on it and that isn't going to happen.

I'd say Harvard has two choices here: Roll over and conform to Trump administration demands or become an entirely domestic university without foreign students and faculty.

The bolded = textbook authoritarianism.

 

[gmark77]

I don't think Harvard stands much of a chance here outside shopping a judge that simply by judicial fiat says Trump's order is invalid. Even then, that would be a temporary solution. Neither the courts nor Harvard have any real ability to challenge US foreign policy decisions, and this is what this decision amounts to. Congress could legislate to override this decision, but they'd need Trump to sign off on it and that isn't going to happen.

I'd say Harvard has two choices here: Roll over and conform to Trump administration demands or become an entirely domestic university without foreign students and faculty.

Are you "OK" with the PResident establishing that speech which is allowed on college campuses? Doesn't give you pause?

 

[AProudLefty]

The bolded = textbook authoritarianism.

I saw it that way too.

 

[Into the Night]

The US is a major producer of food,

Enough to literally feed the world, Wally.

but so is Brazil or Australia.

Nowhere close, Wally.

Heck, Ukraine produces huge amounts of food.

Not a lot. War kind of decimated that.

We can be replaced.

With what, Wally? Heck, we even ship rice to Japan!

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The bolded = textbook authoritarianism.

Not the case. All presidents and administrations have made foreign policy decisions. They carry them out using a variety of methods.

On the other hand, true authoritarianism is what FDR practiced in good part. For example, Avery Sewell, CEO of Montgomery Wards was an outspoken critic and opponent of FDR's New Deal. FDR and his administration found a subsidiary of Wards that was making parts for the aircraft industry.

FDR used that to claim Sewell was blocking war production and in 1944 had him forcibly removed from his office. Two years earlier, FDR confiscated Sewell's personal yacht because he wouldn't comply with New Deal legislation.

History Matters — Montgomery Ward Chairman removed from office in 1944 by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Much has been discussed about President Barack Obama’s removal of General Motors CEO Rick Wagner as if this has not been done before. My fir...

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This episode of American history was a personal vendetta by FDR against an outspoken critic who was head of a major US corporation. Now, that's authoritarian and even imperial in the sense of being something a monarch would do.

 

[Walt]

Nope. The State Department is effecting this.

One more time, this is the USA. It is not a foreign country. Do you understand that?

So "The Department of Homeland Security announced the action Thursday", and "The dispute stems from an April 16 request from Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem."

Trump administration bars Harvard from enrolling foreign students

The Trump administration has revoked Harvard University’s ability to enroll international students in its escalating battle with the Ivy League school.

apnews.com

That being said, Noem, the dog killer, serves at the pleasure of trump, and so needs trump's consent to do this.

 

[Walt]

Enough to literally feed the world, Wally.

If the USA produced enough to literally feed the world, we would be overproducing like crazy, and farmers would be going out of business.

 

[BartenderElite]

Not the case. All presidents and administrations have made foreign policy decisions. They carry them out using a variety of methods.

On the other hand, true authoritarianism is what FDR practiced in good part. For example, Avery Sewell, CEO of Montgomery Wards was an outspoken critic and opponent of FDR's New Deal. FDR and his administration found a subsidiary of Wards that was making parts for the aircraft industry.

FDR used that to claim Sewell was blocking war production and in 1944 had him forcibly removed from his office. Two years earlier, FDR confiscated Sewell's personal yacht because he wouldn't comply with New Deal legislation.

History Matters — Montgomery Ward Chairman removed from office in 1944 by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Much has been discussed about President Barack Obama’s removal of General Motors CEO Rick Wagner as if this has not been done before. My fir...

buzzbrown.blogspot.com

This episode of American history was a personal vendetta by FDR against an outspoken critic who was head of a major US corporation. Now, that's authoritarian and even imperial in the sense of being something a monarch would do.

Man, you're going back a long ways a few times on this thread.

Poor whataboutism. Trump is an autocrat.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Man, you're going back a long ways a few times on this thread.

Poor whataboutism. Trump is an autocrat.

Not by a longshot. I haven't called Biden one, and he tried worse shit than Trump like the vaccine mandate.

 

[Walt]

Not a lot. War kind of decimated that.

Ukrainian grain exports have been bouncing back.

Ukraine Wheat Exports by Year (1000 MT)

www.indexmundi.com

 

[Hawkeye10]

YUK.

 

[IBDaMann]

One more time, this is the USA.

One more time, pizza just isn't the same without cheese. Do you understand that?

It is not a foreign country. Do you understand that?

Ice cream is a dish best served cold. Do you understand that?

So "The Department of Homeland Security announced the action Thursday", and "The dispute stems from an April 16 request from Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem."

So, if your question is "Who should be blamed for the April 16 request?" then the answer is Kristi Noem. You might be asking how I know that Kristi Noem is to blame and not Trump. All I can say is that you have to know how to pick up on certain clues.

That being said, Noem, the dog killer, serves at the pleasure of trump, and so needs trump's consent to do this.

Incorrect. Were you aware that Kristi Noem was confirmed by the Senate to serve as Secretary of Homeland Security? She doesn't need Trump's consent to send a request on April 16. I know, shocking, isn't it?

 

[Walt]

1944...Two years earlier, FDR confiscated Sewell's personal yacht because he wouldn't comply with New Deal legislation.

The New Deal was in the early 1930's. In 1942, there was a thing called WWII, which required the confiscation of all yachts that were not loaned to the government. Why didn't Sewell loan his yacht to the war effort?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

While it didn't come to fruition, Biden wanted a "vaccine passport" issued.

Everything Joe Biden Has Said About a Potential Vaccine Passport

The Biden administration's possible plans to develop COVID-19 immunization certificates, as proof that individuals have received a vaccine, have sparked widespread debate.

www.newsweek.com

That's about as authoritarian as you can get.

 

[Walt]

She doesn't need Trump's consent to send a request on April 16.

She needs trump's consent to keep her job. She literally serves at the pleasure of the president, which means trump can demand her resignation (if he is feeling polite), or just fire her for whatever reason he wants. he does not need the consent of the Senate to fire her.

There have been past cabinet members who went against the president, and they get removed, and someone more compliant is put into their office.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The New Deal was in the early 1930's. In 1942, there was a thing called WWII, which required the confiscation of all yachts that were not loaned to the government. Why didn't Sewell loan his yacht to the war effort?

That didn't stop implementation of more and more of the New Deal because it took FDR years to get enough bobble heads that would go along with it on the Supreme Court to overturn that court's initially strike down of nearly 90% of it.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The New Deal was in the early 1930's. In 1942, there was a thing called WWII, which required the confiscation of all yachts that were not loaned to the government. Why didn't Sewell loan his yacht to the war effort?

Because FDR turned it into the Presidential yacht. (talk about taking a 'gift')...

 

[gmark77]

That didn't stop implementation of more and more of the New Deal because it took FDR years to get enough bobble heads that would go along with it on the Supreme Court to overturn that court's initially strike down of nearly 90% of it.

"Bobbleheads"? So you think thinks like Social Security which came out of FDR's administration were stupid and required "bobbleheads" to go along with?

Don't run for office.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

"Bobbleheads"? So you think thinks like Social Security which came out of FDR's administration were stupid and required "bobbleheads" to go along with?

Don't run for office.

Yep. Social Security is nothing more than a retirement fund that is badly managed. People can plan and save for their own retirement.

 

[gmark77]

Yep. Social Security is nothing more than a retirement fund that is badly managed. People can plan and save for their own retirement.

Got it. Got it.

Please leave my country.