Trump Admin bans Harvard from enrolling foreign / international students

So it's VISA, not a passport, as you'd like to point out. Does that change the fact that most terrorists were from Saudi Arabia?
"most terrorists" are not from Saudi Arabia, most of the people participating in that attack were from Saudi Arabia. Again, correlation does not equal causation. Being from Saudi Arabia doesn't mean that everything you do is an action of the government any more than McVeigh's actions were of the US Government because he was from the USofA...
 
Not even... *sigh*

First, you give me an American travel visa as "proof" that the Saudi Government was behind 9/11, then won't admit it isn't a passport, then pretend that one of the richest men in that region was a cave dweller before the attack made him want to hide, and now refuse to admit the poor logic of the "passport" angle.

Having a Saudi Passport or an American travel VISA that says some dude is Saudi does not equal Saudi Government masterminding 9/11.

Are you trying to support the argument that Harvard deserves this because one of the Bin Ladens donated to the university at one time?
 
"most terrorists" are not from Saudi Arabia, most of the people participating in that attack were from Saudi Arabia. Again, correlation does not equal causation. Being from Saudi Arabia doesn't mean that everything you do is an action of the government any more than McVeigh's actions were of the US Government because he was from the USofA...
Who do you think was responsible for a successful funded and coordinated attack on the USA?

A cave dwelling weak man on dialysis doesn't cut it. If he truly was responsible for it, then we should worry about it because it isn't easy.
 
Are you trying to support the argument that Harvard deserves this because one of the Bin Ladens donated to the university at one time?
No, I am pointing out that "the Saudis" were not responsible for 9/11. Start from the first post where I started talking about Saudis and work forward. Follow the conversation. I am not going to read the thread back to you.
 
Who do you think was responsible for a successful funded and coordinated attack on the USA?

A cave dwelling weak man on dialysis doesn't cut it. If he truly was responsible for it, then we should worry about it because it isn't easy.
I think Osama Bin Laden was more than capable of funding those attacks, he was one of the richest men in the region. You begin from a point where you think OBL was a "cave dwelling" neanderthal or something. He was an educated heir to a crapton of cash.
 
In an ongoing fight with Harvard, the Trump administration has revoked Harvard's Student and Exchange Visitor program certificate. This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students or seek to bring foreign academics or others to their campus to speak or work. Current foreign students will have to transfer to other schools or face being deported on loss of their student visa.



As I understand this, Harvard's administration is out judge shopping for one that will slap an injunction on the Trump administration to stop this, not that judges have any jurisdiction over US foreign policy which this clearly falls under...

This is the weirdest thing I heard today. This is a potential disaster for Harvard. Hopefully Harvard Law will show Trump that 208years of Harvard Law has skill and ability to teach Trump the limits of litigation.
 
No, I am pointing out that "the Saudis" were not responsible for 9/11. Start from the first post where I started talking about Saudis and work forward. Follow the conversation. I am not going to read the thread back to you.

Well, maybe you should check the context of the conversation you waded into, prior to that little lecture.
 
Because he decided to do this.
Nope. The State Department is effecting this. Harvard decided to violate regulations. Trump is neither Marco Rubio nor Harvard. You should be placing the blame where it belongs, not blaming Trump for everything done by everyone else just because you suffer froma debilitating case of TDS.

Claiming trump's decisions are not trump's fault is insane.
Claiming everyone else's actions and decisions are Trump's is insane.

Because Harvard cannot force trump to make these bizarre decisions.
Because Trump can't force Harvard to follow regulations.

I guess we could spread the blame around,
No, we should always place the blame where it belongs. When Harvard violates regulations, Harvard is blamed, not Trump. When the Secretary of State takes action against student visas, the Secretary of State is blamed, not Trump.

Do you kind of see how that works? Let me know if you are still confused.

but this is not really a State Department issue.
Yes, this is entirely a State Department issue. Were you aware that Marco Rubio was confirmed by the Senate to serve as the Secretary of State?
 
Well, maybe you should check the context of the conversation you waded into, prior to that little lecture.
Maybe you should read back a bit, this is a side conversation with one of your favorite leftists who is claiming Saudis were responsible for 9/11 in this thread.
 
Maybe you should read back a bit, this is a side conversation with one of your favorite leftists who is claiming Saudis were responsible for 9/11 in this thread.

I know what it is. But ultimately, in the context of the entire conversation, it appears that you're supporting the original contention it was based upon.
 
Actually the rule is more general: "DO NOT DISAGREE WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION".
If there had been any doubt that you were bent on blaming Trump for absolutely everything you decide to perceive as a problem so that you can blame Trump for it, there is no longer any doubt.
 
If there had been any doubt that you were bent on blaming Trump for absolutely everything you decide to perceive as a problem so that you can blame Trump for it, there is no longer any doubt.

TRUMP ADMINISTRATION DID THIS. ERGO IT IS TRUMP TO BLAME.

PLease do READ THE NEWS once in a while.
 
Geebus, now you are making crap up.
The top half of the document has a map of Saudi Arabia, the royal emblem of Saudi Arabia, and the words "Saud... Passport"(it is not 100% clear, but enough is readable to see the word passport). The bottom half has a visa with different color paper stuck onto passport paper. You can clearly see the line between the two types of paper with the blueish US visa paper, sticking to the greenish Saudi Arabian passport paper.

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That is a travel VISA, if it were a passport you would be blaming Americans on the attack because that is an American Travel VISA.
I have seen these documents my entire life. It is a visa stuck inside a passport.

Just stop., say, "Oops I said passport when I meant VISA." admit the mistake and move on. Let's not pretend that these things are the same.
It is clearly a visa stuck inside a passport, which is normal for long term visas. I have had several of them stuck inside my US passport. US visas do not include a map of Saudi Arabia, or a statement that they are Saudi Arabian passports.

If you had any decency, you would apologize, and admit that the upper half of the picture is clearly a Saudi Arabian passport, and the lower half is a US visa stuck inside the passport. I will see if you have any decency.

US of A does not issue Saudi passports.
No, they issue visas that get stuck inside foreign passports to create a document that is something of a hybrid.

then won't admit it isn't a passport
I can not stress this enough, the top half of the document clear has the word "passport" on it. This is a Saudi passport, issued with a US visa inside it.
 
Maybe you should read back a bit, this is a side conversation with one of your favorite leftists who is claiming Saudis were responsible for 9/11 in this thread.
You claimed that a weak man was responsible. He even managed to get Saudis to do it!
 
This is the weirdest thing I heard today. This is a potential disaster for Harvard. Hopefully Harvard Law will show Trump that 208years of Harvard Law has skill and ability to teach Trump the limits of litigation.
I don't think Harvard stands much of a chance here outside shopping a judge that simply by judicial fiat says Trump's order is invalid. Even then, that would be a temporary solution. Neither the courts nor Harvard have any real ability to challenge US foreign policy decisions, and this is what this decision amounts to. Congress could legislate to override this decision, but they'd need Trump to sign off on it and that isn't going to happen.

I'd say Harvard has two choices here: Roll over and conform to Trump administration demands or become an entirely domestic university without foreign students and faculty.
 
No, I am pointing out that "the Saudis" were not responsible for 9/11.
I am a bit more in the middle on this one. The Saudis have drawn legitimacy from supporting extremist religious positions both at home and abroad. Their ideology has a lot of responsibility for 9/11. It is not magic that Saudi Arabians were so involved in 9/11.

And before you say that is like saying McVeigh is America's fault, he is partly America's fault. Not as much. The American Government never assisted McVeigh's terrorism, but our society did produce him. We need to take a good hard look at why he was produced by our society.
 
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