Originally Posted by apple0154 Just one more incorrect conclusion you have drawn.
Just going by what you posted. You seem to have no clue to the fact that your child can be "ILL" and not require immediate medical attention! I think most any person who has ever raised a child, understands this is not the case. You can lie about it if you like, I don't care if you lie, you've already revealed the truth in your own words.
You’re like the energizer bunny. Even though you drew the wrong conclusion you keep going and going.
It’s got nothing to do with responsibility. Simply following a course one knows is wrong is the opposite of taking responsibility. If a woman is pregnant and knows she is not able to look after a child obtaining an abortion is taking responsibility.
Oh really? I wasn't aware that taking of another human life was now "taking responsibility!" When did that get changed? So if I see a poor kid begging for money outside the convenience store, I can pull out my .45 and blow him away, and that is me "taking responsibility" because I don't want to look after him? Why don't we change the law and let people kill their teenagers? I am sure a LOT of parents had NO idea of how difficult this was going to be! It's a real HARDSHIP to burden people with the responsibility of a teen! They won't listen, they always get into trouble, they act like little smart ass know it alls... they don't respect authority... I think we can use your definition of "taking responsibility" to make it legal to kill teens! Why should MY freedoms be infringed upon?
It’s parents like you who contribute to unruly teens. It’s difficult for a teen to listen to authority when they know the authority in question is a nut case.
If you go on vacation and discover you’ve taken the wrong exit off the interstate and are heading towards the mountains instead of the ocean do you take a mountain vacation or do you take responsibility and turn around and go the correct way?
One thing I don't do... I don't ABORT the vacation!
Of course not. A logical person would abort the direction and continue on with the vacation. Just as when a woman sees her life is going in the wrong direction she aborts that direction and continues on with her life. That is taking responsibility.
It’s about taking responsibility. It’s an active endeavor. One does not just sit back and let whatever will happen to happen.
LOL... again... killing another human being so you do not have to deal with the consequences of your actions, is NOT taking or accepting your responsibility! It is immoral and unethical denial of truth and refusal to accept and deal with the consequences of your actions! You can "sit back and let whatever will happen" in a fucking abortion clinic! We are talking about taking responsibility for your actions, specifically the actions which enabled a human life to come into existence! You can't just KILL the human life and pretend you've "taken responsibility" for your actions! It's INSANE! YOU ARE INSANE!
Birth brings a human being into the world. Abortion does not kill a human being. It stops the process that would result in a human being coming into the world and being mistreated and neglected and in many cases much, much worse. But you don't care. Let that abused or mistreated or genetically defective human being take responsibility for their own life. You don't care if they have medical care or food or housing or anything else so why do you pretend to care so much about embryos and fetuses? Your argument is nothing but a cover to allow you to put your nose in women's pants. That's all it is. Deal with your perversion.
No, we can’t. However, we can ask people who are living. Would you have wanted to grow up in the slums with a drug prostitute for a mother and a drunken wife beater for a father? Or be one of the many genetically mutilated children spending their entire life in an institution? Or one of the neglected children that joined a street gang and is now in prison being gang raped?
I would say, in the vast majority of cases, ANYONE who is not INSANE, would say they would rather be born into ANY condition, as opposed to being ABORTED! At least if you are BORN, you would have the chance to overcome the adversity, to achieve success, to do something with your life... how can that happen if you are in a medical waste bag in the dumpster? It just doesn't comport with logic, but then... look who I am talking to!
If that’s what you think then obviously you have never visited a hospital that specializes in genetic childhood diseases/severe defects. Why don’t you take an afternoon and check it out? If abortions bother you so much it may give you a different perspective.
Just asking. Maybe there are things you enjoy I might not understand.
Oh, I think that probably goes without saying... I do enjoy LIFE!
Great. Check out a hospital I mentioned and see how those babies and children enjoy life.
If one fucks up they try to lessen the consequences. If you tried to fix the roof of your house and it starts to leak during a rain storm do you sit there while all your furniture gets soaked, accepting the consequences, or do you move the furniture out of the way, find a pan or bucket to catch the water, etc? The latter is taking responsibility.
I can't do anything IF I AM AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DUMPSTER IN A MEDICAL WASTE BAG!
You wouldn’t be worrying about a leaking roof either.
And just what roots and herbs are you referring to? Tie a piece of garlic around ones neck? Rub an ailment with a magic potion, turn around three times, then throw the remainder over the left shoulder?
The quality and technology of medicine has nothing to do with the socioeconomic condition of people dealing with health care costs! In that regard, both conditions are the same, actually they are much worse in the days of the founding! People suffered due to illness and disease MUCH MORE back then, it effected MANY MORE people than it does today! Your pointing out of the crudeness of medicine, proves that point! Deplorable conditions, people died from surgery all the time, and many more people died because they couldn't afford to see a doctor or get to where a doctor was! Things back then were 10,000 times worse than today! Yet... not a peep from the Founding Fathers about any responsibility we have as a group, to take care of those needs for people! NOT ONE FUCKING WORD!
The quality and technology of medicine has everything to do with the socioeconomic condition of people dealing with health care costs! Those who can’t afford medication die. It is not uncommon for elderly people to have to choose between medication or food. Considering the wealth of the country it’s an outrage to see that happening. It’s vile.
Something as simple as a free check-up could prevent people from becoming incapacitated or dying from stroke or heart disease or diabetes. For a couple of hundred dollars, once a year, the government could prevent thousands of needless deaths but greedy, selfish, self-centered people like you fight against that and then have the nerve to cry about abortions.
Sure, let’s bring more people into the world while preventing the government from helping the ones who are here. It you who are insane.
And just whom were the experts giving you that definition? To say ones general welfare does not include their health is ludicrous. If the government was aware of a coming plague are you saying they have no obligation to do anything? Or warn the public about contaminated food? Or to implement general safety procedures.?
It includes the health of the general public. I think one thing you seem to be having a problem understanding is, the Constitution does not talk about federal government in terms of individual rights, it was never meant to imply the federal government had anything to do with individual rights. Those sentiments and interpretations are relatively new. The Constitutional provisions outlined regarding Federal government, is pertaining to the relationship with the States, not the individual. It delegates most all power to the States, and compels the States to uphold principles of individual rights. So when we read "promote the general welfare" it is meant to apply to things which relate to us all in general, and is in our best interests as a public service to do.... like the CDC in Atlanta... they "promote general welfare" by letting us know what is dangerous to the public, etc. The FDA... EPA... TSA... FBI... CIA... all working to "promote the general welfare" of the public as a whole. It does not apply to individual promotion of individual welfare.
So are you saying watching fellow citizens becoming incapacitated and/or dying from preventable illnesses when we have the ability to screen them and warn them ahead of time is not in the general interest? Who is the public if not individuals? Being able to add 10 or more years to thousands and thousands of citizen’s lives is not in the public interest? Your thinking is twisted.
That’s exactly what I said about two kinds of people. Do you think you’d feel differently if you haven’t had to live on Ketchup Soup?
Yeah, I can see... If I hadn't had to live on Ketchup Soup, and I had been spoiled all my life by parents who didn't give a shit about raising me properly... and I thought the world owed me something... I might feel like a typical pinhead liberal mush-brain! I see your point!
The thing is, I can't change that now! I lived through those tough times, I worked hard for what I have, and I am proud of myself for what I accomplished. So I guess I am just destined to be a greedy bastard who doesn't want to give you my money, for the rest of my life! Oh fuckin well!
If you consider the giving of food to someone who is living on Ketchup Soup to be spoiling them then you are one twisted mother. As for you having to live that way now is the time to grow head and shoulders above that. Show us you can overcome. Show some decency and humanity rather then spending your time concerned about what’s going on inside a woman’s pants.
There were ADS here about family violence and the saying was, “Violence begets violence.” People brought up in a violent home tend to become violent themselves. Not all but more than the average. The same principal applies to people who have lived through situations similar to you. Nobody helped them so why should they help anyone else? Don’t you think it’s time to change that?
We have different definitions for "HELP" ....that is the problem.
You believe (because you're brainwashed) that I do not want to help people who need help, and that is a myth... a falsehood... a complete fabrication of propaganda. I just believe in helping in a different way. I don't believe much of what you think is "help" is really helping anyone, in some cases, it is hurting! I also believe it is better for "help" to come from the private sector, and we shouldn't depend on the government to provide it. That is just lazy and irresponsible, in my opinion, our government has enough to do already! It should be up to US as individuals, to help those in need with our OWN money and resources.
Sorry. That’s been tried regarding health care and it’s been tried regarding the elderly and it’s been tried regarding the homeless and …..well, it’s been tried regarding every government program. That’s why there are government programs.
It’s not a case of having started out with government programs and having never tried your suggestions. Your suggestions has been tried in every case. Every one of them and found so severely lacking the government had to intervene. That’s why Obama said he didn’t want to hear tired, old arguments because your arguments are the tired, old, failed ones that we have lived.
Also, when people talk about the government not being able to afford social programs do a little history research. Check out the all-encompassing programs implemented during and shortly after the Great Depression. Where was the money with so many out of work? I bet there were people fighting against old age security pensions as that would mean the elderly could afford to buy food and considering the “dust bowl” problem there must have been a lot of Dixies complaining their taxes were going to feed others. Fortunately those Dixies lost and if we’re fortunate again we’ll see today’s Dixies lose.
Because you ignorant, knuckle-dragging Neanderthal there are dozens of countries where it has been proven to save money. Do you an allergy to research? Are you hyper-sensitive to education? DO SOME RESEARCH. So says the ignorant, knuckle-dragging Neanderthal. Your ignorance is truly appalling.
Ahh, the old "knuckle-dragging Neanderthal" insult! Haven't seen a pinhead resort to that one lately! I am not hypersensitive to education, however I am very hypersensitive to socialist propaganda, which you seem to perceive as 'education' because you are a fuckwit!
You are a "knuckle-dragging Neanderthal". Your beliefs haven't passed the cave-dwelling days. Society has progressed. The world has progressed.
Do some research. You have no idea what you're talking about and leave that socialist nonsense out of your arguments. You look foolish. Learn about the rest of the world. At least open your eyes even if you can't open your mind.
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They are MY responses to YOUR comments, you blithering idiot! Both are contained on the posts.
