Only in Alabama!

[Walt]

Since embryos are people

Embryos can be single cells. The embryos we are talking about are about 10-20 undifferentiated cells. You kill more cells walking across the room.

And if they are people, then everything should be done to save them. Most of them die in nature, so we should spend billions on saving them.

do they change into non-people at 1-2-6-8 months?

By definition, frozen embryos do not develop over time. They are frozen. That is both literally and figuratively frozen. You cannot freeze humans, but there is no problems freezing a few human cells.

 

[TOP]

Everyone can relax I don't know what the Panic was all about.... doctors feeling guilty I guess... anyone whose treatments were put on pause should find another doctor....

 

[Bigdog]

So now the right wants to try and convince us that those frozen embryos in petri dishes are babies too?

Is the right afraid they are going to win the upcoming election so they are doing everything in their power to lose?

White Libs hate Alabama because it is 27% African Americans.

 

[Bigdog]

By definition, frozen embryos do not develop over time. They are frozen. That is both literally and figuratively frozen. You cannot freeze humans, but there is no problems freezing a few human cells.

As long as they are atheist embryos it's ok ... because atheists do not have a soul.

 

[Jade Dragon]

So will they be able to vote? Pay taxes? Will taxpayers have to pay for their care, or will insurance companies? Where will this nonsense stop? Will they start locking up every woman who has a menstrual period because her body is flushing a potential human every month? Will they lock up males who masturbate, wasting all those potential humans?

Voters in their reproductive years now outnumber us aged Boomers. This sounds like a most excellent way to drive them into the arms of the party of reproductive freedom -- the Democrats. Well done, Alabama crackpots!

Here's a secret to embryos that should be noted. At this stage, they can be frozen. A task that would kill all living things. Are Republicans trying for the soul argument? Because that is something you can't prove.

 

[Walt]

As long as they are atheist embryos it's ok ... because atheists do not have a soul.

With cloning, where the DNA of an ordinary human cell is put into a embryo, where does the soul come from? Which twin gets the soul when an embryo divides into two embryos?

 

[TOP]

With cloning, where the DNA of an ordinary human cell is put into a embryo, where does the soul come from? Which twin gets the soul when an embryo divides into two embryos?

Both get a soul...

 

[Bigdog]

With cloning, where the DNA of an ordinary human cell is put into a embryo, where does the soul come from? Which twin gets the soul when an embryo divides into two embryos?

Only God knows.

 

[TOP]

Only God knows.

You're right ...I just took an educated guess...

 

[TOP]

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/15464-embryo-freezing-cryopreservation

 

[Walt]

Both get a soul...

The life began at conception, with one soul. Then a second soul came along later?

And if a person begins at conception, is the second twin not a person? They did not have a conception.

 

[Walt]

Only God knows.

And yet you are calling on people to go to prison or even be executed based on something that you admit no human knows? That does not seem like it is beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[Bigdog]

And yet you are calling on people to go to prison or even be executed based on something that you admit no human knows? That does not seem like it is beyond a reasonable doubt.

Is human cloning legal in the U.S. now?


Science has proved that human life begins at conception. Do you deny science?

 

[TOP]

The life began at conception, with one soul. Then a second soul came along later?

And if a person begins at conception, is the second twin not a person? They did not have a conception.

How was the twin not created from the original conception? Such miracles of life... right?

 

[Walt]

How was the twin not created from the original conception?

One of the twins is created at conception. The other is split off from the first, and is created at the time of splitting.

If a soul is assigned at creation, who gets that soul at the splitting? Is this why there is always one evil twin?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Yep. Another reason why the Reichtards hate Taylor Swift -- she encourages her fans to register and to vote (even though she never says for WHO).

Trumpers fear democracy. The younger generations outnumber the Boomers and this scares the shit out of the Boomers. My question is, "Why do Boomer fear the change our Founding Fathers always supported?"

The Republicans are the Tories of the 21st century. They support an autocratic regime and fear democratic regimes.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

TOP's argument is that 'yes, even if the Embryo is recognized as a child with all the rights of any 10 year old, that does not matter. As long as the parents and Clinic signed a contract they can kill, that is allowed. As contract law allows for children to be killed'.

It is a painfully stupid argument that TOP is making but par for the course with her.

Yes, it is. It's what you get when vacuous airheads try to discuss anything more complex than their favorite brand of instant decaf. She claims that some relative -- used to be a sister, now it's a niece -- is a lawyer, like that gives her stupidity some cred. Pretending that she was once a teacher is also supposed to give her cred when she assigns some psychiatric diagnosis to those who confront her falsehoods and nastiness.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

ROEvember can't get here soon enough!

Watch how being on the wrong side of ROE VS. WADE WORKS OUT FOR YOU IN ROEVEMBER TRUMPTARDS!

That is the most losing political strategy- even more so than nominating Donald Trump- But since TRUMP openly confesses, "I DID THAT"- HE HAS DOOMED HIMSELF AND ALL OF HIS TRUMPTARDS even more!

Have you noticed how the MAGATs are now falling all over themselves trying to walk this back? Even the Toadstool declared his support for IVF, as if anyone cares. I think they've figured out that it's either continue to soothe and groom the Evangelicals and continue to lose elections, or get with the 21st Century and let women and their partners to make their own reproductive decisions, and win.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Everyone can relax I don't know what the Panic was all about.... doctors feeling guilty I guess... anyone whose treatments were put on pause should find another doctor....

Why should a physician feel guilty about helping infertile couples? Seems that the only guilty ones here are you forced-birthers who want to insist, against reason/science/reality, that a microscopic handful of cells is a child. Mind your own business and maybe you'll stop losing elections. Just a thought (which doesn't come from Fox). lol

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Here's a secret to embryos that should be noted. At this stage, they can be frozen. A task that would kill all living things. Are Republicans trying for the soul argument? Because that is something you can't prove.

They are trying to push their religious beliefs on others. You are correct; undifferentiated cells can be (usually) safely frozen. Of course we are unable to determine until they're implanted if they are viable and/or have defects. Defective embryos are usually flushed by the body. But in Alabama, defective or not, apparently it can be considered "murder" if they are disposed of by the clinic on the owners' wishes.