France & Germany still DO NOT PAY their NATO obligations - a middle finger to Ukraine

Gee did you get out of the wrong side of the bed this morning. I'm well aware of that spin on things. It doesn't change at all what I said. You can spin Trumps NATO stance too, but if taken to it's logical conclusion, Putin will take over Europe, or a good part of it, because of that stance. Get it yet? Chamberlain appeased the Nazis. Trump is appeasing Putin. Do you need a picture?

Maybe he's worried the Pedo King of Thailand will come after him?
 
It's nearly 10:25 pm, sadly you, apart from anything else are totally incapable of working out world times outside of Minnesota.

I an well aware of what time it is in Thailand. DUH. Heck, it's tomorrow morning in Sydney, where your best pal Daschund 'lives'. Doesn't change the fact that you had a meltdown when presented with the facts.

Have a nice... night, loser.
 
History seems to indicate that people who support autocratic authoritarian states are stupid, angry and fearful. That's defines MAGAts to a "T".

What's really fucked up is that the MAGAts label Nazis as Leftists yet it's the MAGAts who are pushing a Nazi-like government.

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History also tells us that appeasing a dictator with blind ambition to rule the world does not work. But they don't study history. Sad.
 
History also tells us that appeasing a dictator with blind ambition to rule the world does not work. But they don't study history. Sad.

Agreed on all points. This goes back to them being poorly educated and the Republican attack on public education for the past 30 years.
 
2 greedy European economic power houses. :palm:
Why won't Europe pay for its own defense?


"Two founding states – France and Germany – both missed the mark at 1.9% and 1.57%, despite being economic leaders in the alliance."

Countries that refuse to pay up ... and demand Americans foot the bill ...
France (1.9 %)
Montenegro (1.87 %)
North Macedonia (1.87 %)
Bulgaria (1.84 %)
Croatia (1.79 %)
Albania (1.76 %)
Netherlands (1.7 %)
Norway (1.67 %)
Denmark (1.65 %)
Germany (1.57 %)
Czech Republic (1.5 %)
Portugal (1.48 %)
Italy (1.46 %)
Canada (1.38 %)
Slovenia (1.35 %)
Turkey (1.31 %)
Spain (1.26 %)
Belgium (1.26 %)

https://metro.co.uk/2024/02/13/map-...ail-reach-2-minimum-spending-budget-20269340/

From your linked article...

"Germany did point out they are on track to meet the 2% target this year, and they remain Ukraine’s second largest weapons donor."

From Trump's asshole straight to your lying shitbag mouth, mutha fucka.

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Should we honor a treaty that Europe breaks? ... should we deny our own citizens, while Europe spends its money on State welfare instead of defense?


"Germany recorded a trade surplus of 22.21 EUR Billion in December of 2023. Balance of Trade in Germany averaged 6.96 EUR Billion from 1962 until 2023, reaching an all time high of 23.25 EUR Billion in April of 2016"

https://tradingeconomics.com/german...corded a trade surplus,Billion in May of 1991.

Self telling stupidity , maybe it is up to them how they spend their money idiot.
 
Self telling stupidity , maybe it is up to them how they spend their money idiot.

NATO decided way back in 2006 that 2% was the minimum GDP figure.

In 2006, NATO Defence Ministers agreed to commit a minimum of 2% of their Gross Domestic Product (GDP) to defence spending to continue to ensure the Alliance's military readiness. This guideline also serves as an indicator of a country's political will to contribute to NATO's common defence efforts, since the defence capacity of each member has an impact on the overall perception of the Alliance's credibility as a politico-military organisation.

The combined wealth of the non-US Allies, measured in GDP, is almost equal to that of the United States. However, non-US Allies together spend less than half of what the United States spends on defence. This imbalance has been a constant, with variations, throughout the history of the Alliance and has grown more pronounced since the tragic events of 11 September 2001, after which the United States significantly increased its defence spending.

The volume of US defence expenditure represents approximately two thirds of the defence spending of the Alliance as a whole. However, this is not the amount that the United States contributes to the operational running of NATO, which is shared with all Allies according to the principle of common funding. Moreover, US defence spending also covers commitments outside the Euro-Atlantic area. It should be noted, nonetheless, that the Alliance relies on the United States for the provision of some essential capabilities, regarding for instance, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance; air-to-air refuelling; ballistic missile defence; and airborne electromagnetic warfare.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_67655.htm
 
NATO decided way back in 2006 that 2% was the minimum GDP figure.

[FONT=&]In 2006, NATO Defence Ministers agreed to commit a minimum of 2% of their Gross Domestic Product (GDP) to defence spending to continue to ensure the Alliance's military readiness. This guideline also serves as an indicator of a country's political will to contribute to NATO's common defence efforts, since the defence capacity of each member has an impact on the overall perception of the Alliance's credibility as a politico-military organisation.
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[FONT=&]The combined wealth of the non-US Allies, measured in GDP, is almost equal to that of the United States. However, non-US Allies together spend less than half of what the United States spends on defence. This imbalance has been a constant, with variations, throughout the history of the Alliance and has grown more pronounced since the tragic events of 11 September 2001, after which the United States significantly increased its defence spending.

The volume of US defence expenditure represents approximately two thirds of the defence spending of the Alliance as a whole. However, this is not the amount that the United States contributes to the operational running of NATO, which is shared with all Allies according to the principle of common funding. Moreover, US defence spending also covers commitments outside the Euro-Atlantic area. It should be noted, nonetheless, that the Alliance relies on the United States for the provision of some essential capabilities, regarding for instance, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance; air-to-air refuelling; ballistic missile defence; and airborne electromagnetic warfare.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_67655.htm[/FONT]
It is a guideline ,annually they agree on many things being part of NATO. Dozens of things and I doubt if there is any country that goes along with all of the positions in the Nato agreement , It is not law and it is not even a treaty. 2024 just about every country will meet the 2%. all countries in the world spend what they think they need on defense. The reason we spend so much is that corporate America demands it for there bottom line. What do you think wars are fought for and the united states spending money all over the world, Why do you think we do that. I have no sympathy for this nonsense. You want to worry about something, we have a party in this country that is holding hands with the enemy's of this country. We have a party that supports dictatorial countries over our allies. Tell me why do you think Putin wants Trump in office, and why in the hell are we holding back money for Ukraine, I won't even respond to stupid comments .
 
It is a guideline ,annually they agree on many things being part of NATO. Dozens of things and I doubt if there is any country that goes along with all of the positions in the Nato agreement , It is not law and it is not even a treaty. 2024 just about every country will meet the 2%. all countries in the world spend what they think they need on defense. The reason we spend so much is that corporate America demands it for there bottom line. What do you think wars are fought for and the united states spending money all over the world, Why do you think we do that. I have no sympathy for this nonsense. You want to worry about something, we have a party in this country that is holding hands with the enemy's of this country. We have a party that supports dictatorial countries over our allies. Tell me why do you think Putin wants Trump in office, and why in the hell are we holding back money for Ukraine, I won't even respond to stupid comments .

U turning up useless is the expected.
 
It is a guideline ,annually they agree on many things being part of NATO. Dozens of things and I doubt if there is any country that goes along with all of the positions in the Nato agreement , It is not law and it is not even a treaty. 2024 just about every country will meet the 2%. all countries in the world spend what they think they need on defense. The reason we spend so much is that corporate America demands it for there bottom line. What do you think wars are fought for and the united states spending money all over the world, Why do you think we do that. I have no sympathy for this nonsense. You want to worry about something, we have a party in this country that is holding hands with the enemy's of this country. We have a party that supports dictatorial countries over our allies. Tell me why do you think Putin wants Trump in office, and why in the hell are we holding back money for Ukraine, I won't even respond to stupid comments .

I won't respond to that bullshit, thanks but no thanks!
 
You not understand the numbers. The US is not paying for anything because some members are not assigning 2 percent of their GDP to the military. Right now they are helping Ukraine while the Repub party continues to work for Trump\Putin. The idea that you say that 1.9 percent is not standing up is ridiculous. Putin and Trump are working to destroy NATO. So are you in your own puerile way. GDP is huge and can be parsed in many ways. I am sure the countries that are close can show figures that show they comply.
This was a typical BS right-wing thread that is a shot at NATO allies.

So you believe France and Germany are doing more than enough to help their neighbor Ukraine, ... but the U.S. is NOT involved enough in that foreign war.

Thanks for your white lib opinion.
 
If you have a point, try to make it.

They are both discretionary.

The EU is no longer the devastated Europe it was after WW2. They have so much money and infrastructure that they are now massive welfare States subsidized by American taxpayers.

The EU can defend itself against Russia. The Ukrainian fighters and Russia's military failures have proved that.

It is time to wean these America hating foreigners from the U.S. teat.



It is time to stop the invasion of unvetted foreigners into the U.S., ... of mostly military aged males, criminals, murderers, gangsters, the infected, terrorists and spies, ... dumped into Black and minority communities ... which you white libs don't give a flying fuck about.
 
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