Americans Are Losing Faith in the Value of College. Whose Fault Is That?

Well, I am an electrician, and I can tell Cupressus that the two BS degrees I have, and the MA have made me far less money than doing electrical work. I always find work as an electrician, and make a shitload of money doing it. Try doing that with a PhD in philosophy or art history, or an equivalent fine arts degree in playing the bassoon.

Sure, the two undergrad degrees help some with that. I got tools and methods out of them that help planning big jobs and doing the business aspects of electrical contracting. The math and science helped some too in that I understand the systems I work on better and can find the frequent mistakes engineers make on drawings in a snap and fix those issues on the fly rather than having to wait for them to do it.

Like I said, I don't hate electricians. An electrician was one of the smartest people I know.

I just like to needle Into The Night because the ONLY thing he posts that is usually even remotely correct is stuff about electricity and electronics. EVERYTHING ELSE he posts is almost always fractally wrong.
 
I DON"T hate electricians.
You obviously do, since you denigrate them so much.
In fact my dad was a trained electrician and one of the smartest human beings I've ever met.
I don't believe you.
I don't like YOU,
Obvious.
and the reason I point out your role as electrician is because that seems to literally be the ONLY THING YOU KNOW ABOUT.
Nah. You just want to place your religion over science, over mathematics, over the Constitution of the United States, and even try to deny your own posts.
Every other thing you post on this forum that ISN'T related to electricity or electronics is fractally wrong.
Fractals have no 'right' or 'wrong'. Argument of the Stone fallacies.
 
You obviously do, since you denigrate them so much.

I don't believe you.

Obvious.

Nah. You just want to place your religion over science, over mathematics, over the Constitution of the United States, and even try to deny your own posts.

Fractals have no 'right' or 'wrong'. Argument of the Stone fallacies.

Case in point. Thanks for the QED.
 
Like I said, I don't hate electricians.
Yes you do.
An electrician was one of the smartest people I know.
Paradox. Irrational.
I just like to needle Into The Night because the ONLY thing he posts that is usually even remotely correct is stuff about electricity and electronics.
Nah. You just like to ignore theories of science, the Constitution, and mathematics. You try to sound 'smart', and end up looking dumb in the process.
EVERYTHING ELSE he posts is almost always fractally wrong.
Fractals have no 'right' or 'wrong'.
 
When it comes to higher education worldwide, the United States is an outlier in more ways than one. In Canada and Japan, public-university tuition is now about $5,000 a year. In Italy, Spain and Israel, it’s about $2,000. In France, Denmark and Germany, it’s essentially zero.

A few decades ago, the same thing was true in the United States; government funding covered much of the cost of public college. Now students and their families bear much of the burden, and that fact has changed what used to be a pretty straightforward calculation about the economic value of college into a complex math problem.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/05/magazine/college-worth-price.html

Shitty leftist schools.
 
Americans Are Losing Faith in the Value of College. Whose Fault Is That?

I think the bigger picture is- Americans are losing Faith in Republicans!

Americans have lost faith in democrats and their leader Joe the Vegetable Pedophile. They have made it a crime to contest an election. They know they can only win by cheating.
 
Polysci degrees are OFTEN the starting point for a JD or legal degree. I can't imagine that that would be a "worthless" degree.

Starting point? Who cares about that?. Polysci is still easy useless crap. Teach PEMCIT only. If you're good at math, you're good at everything.
 
Universities are already government institutions. Tuition does NOT cover the cost of the place at all.

If we got rid of 90% of the administrators and teachers and 100% of the diversity consultants, tuition would be $1000 a year. We don't really need but a handful of teachers. Give the kid a book and tell him when the test is.
 
Colleges should teach STEM only. Leave out the sports and all the easy, verbal, mickey mouse majors. But that would mean no blacks and few women and we can't have that.

What's easy for some is hard for others. I taught myself tensor calculus in high school, but I struggled greatly with topology. Meanwhile, I knew an artist and a self-professed "idiotic with mathematics" who could somehow visualize complex topology concepts intuitively.
 
For-profit colleges could not pass up the big bucks. Online schools started making a fortune without having the costs of brick-and-mortar schools. They were making terrific money. Universities saw how much profit was in education and they pushed it like a corporation. Push the cost up as high as the traffic will bear. Now Americans take out a college mortgage. It is wrong and hurts American competitiveness.


Bullshit.

First of all - ALL universities are "for profit." Institutions like Yale and Cambridge massively enrich their stakeholders. Professors and Administrators with 7 figure salaries.

So-called "non-profit" schools gorge themselves on 97% of money spent on higher education.

Fast Facts: Expenditures (75) (ed.gov)

The few private, for profit institutions have no impact on the expenditures. Private, Non-Profit institutions are the most expensive per unit - this is the Gravy League schools.

Consider this, the University of Phoenix licenses their MBA curriculum from Harvard. Given that BOTH institutions are Online for the Business School since Covid, there is literally ZERO difference in the education provided - Yet Harvard is a whopping 17 times more expensive for the program. Granted, they are selling the name, the brand - but the actual education is identical. Talk about gouging.

We have predatory lenders, particularly Sallie Mae and unethical recruiters who rope utterly unqualified students into programs that have no earning potential - or worse into legitimate programs that the student has no chance of succeeding in. People are conned into believing they HAVE to have a college degree. Unless you are a professional, this is simply not true. They get talked into HUNDREDS of thousands of dollars in debt for virtually nothing in over half the cases.

My pool boy makes more a year than I do. I have a doctorate; he has a high school diploma. But he built a thriving business with three dozen crews covering eastern Orange County and western Riverside County. Everyone has a pool in this area - $200 a month per client - it adds up quick.

The ANSWER to this is to allow students to sue these institutions for malpractice. If your education doesn't qualify you for a position that pays an annual salary greater than that sum total of the education within 5 years, you were taken - suckered - scammed.

You think a professor at Stanford gives a FUCK about educating students? LOL, they care about their $3 million yearly salary. Hooking the rubes is how they fund it.
 
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So you are saying that minorities are being gifted college degrees, while White Students have to actually pass?

I'm saying that you're illiterate and utterly devoid of integrity.

I'm saying that you lie about virtually everything.

And along with that attitude, you are also implying that Minorities with college degrees are not worth their weight in salt?

Ah! The same old racist Republican Ploy- damn the minorities for not having College Degrees- And Damn them if they do have College Degrees?

DO you see how that comes across as RACISM?

Well, let me ask you- Is there anything a minority could ever do to meet your approval?

Next!

Try addressing what people write instead of lying through your fucking teeth.

Your lack of integrity is widely known, but don't expect decent people to address your flat out lies.
 
People are losing faith in their ability to pay for college.

Public university tuitions should be completely tax revenue funded,
and private schools should just be left the hell alone.

Working class whites who bolted the Democratic Party years ago to join the Klan or whatever the hell it is--

for a while they were tea baggers, now they're MAGAmaniacs, and I can't be bothered to keep track--

don't respect intellectualism or education anyway.

If they were even moderately literate, they wouldn't have fallen off the deep end.

Drunk this early in the day?

Sad.

Public funding will do WHAT to help the situation?

Tell you what, we agree with you Commies to publicly fund higher education, BUT you agree that all teachers/professors will have a salary cap of no more than $100,000 per year, inclusive of bonuses and perquisites. Cap all administrative workers at no more than $75,000 per year.

Would you Bolsheviks go for that? Cutting salaries at the educational industrial complex to 1/70th of what they are now will allow tuition to be cut drastically.
 
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