How can Trump walk away from the court as a free man

Tinkerpeach said:
Trust me, Smith isn't going for a conviction, he knows he can't get one, this is all about name recognition for him.

He wants to feel special or something.

Nobody get's charged under the espionage act, written in 1917, unless you are caught redhanded selling secrets to a foreign nation.

These are all bullshit charges.
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You really have bullshitted yourself in to thinking Trump is above the law! He's not!
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Because he didn't break a law.

Witnesses don't change that fact.
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The Presidential Records Act says Trump broke the law:

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of the President from private to public, and established a new statutory structure under which Presidents, and subsequently NARA, must manage the records of their Administrations. The PRA was amended in 2014, which established several new provisions.

Specifically, the Presidential Records Act says:

-Establishes public ownership of all Presidential records and defines the term Presidential records.

-Requires that Vice-Presidential records be treated in the same way as Presidential records.

-Places the responsibility for the custody and management of incumbent Presidential records with the President.

-Requires that the President and his staff take all practical steps to file personal records separately from Presidential records.

-Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.

-Establishes in law that any incumbent Presidential records (whether textual or electronic) held on courtesy storage by the Archivist remain in the exclusive legal custody of the President and that any request or order for access to such records must be made to the President, not NARA.

-Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.

-Establishes a process by which the President may restrict and the public may obtain access to these records after the President leaves office; specifically, the PRA allows for public access to Presidential records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years.

-Codifies the process by which former and incumbent Presidents conduct reviews for executive privilege prior to public release of records by NARA (which had formerly been governed by Executive order 13489).

-Establishes procedures for Congress, courts, and subsequent Administrations to obtain “special access” to records from NARA that remain closed to the public, following a privilege review period by the former and incumbent Presidents; the procedures governing such special access requests continue to be governed by the relevant provisions of E.O. 13489.

-Establishes preservation requirements for official business conducted using non-official electronic messaging accounts: any individual creating Presidential records must not use non-official electronic messaging accounts unless that individual copies an official account as the message is created or forwards a complete copy of the record to an official messaging account. (A similar provision in the Federal Records Act applies to federal agencies.)
Prevents an individual who has been convicted of a crime related to the review, retention, removal, or destruction of records from being given access to any original records
 
Joe Crapitalist said:
The Presidential Records Act says Trump broke the law:

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of the President from private to public, and established a new statutory structure under which Presidents, and subsequently NARA, must manage the records of their Administrations. The PRA was amended in 2014, which established several new provisions.

Specifically, the Presidential Records Act says:

-Establishes public ownership of all Presidential records and defines the term Presidential records.

-Requires that Vice-Presidential records be treated in the same way as Presidential records.

-Places the responsibility for the custody and management of incumbent Presidential records with the President.

-Requires that the President and his staff take all practical steps to file personal records separately from Presidential records.

-Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.

-Establishes in law that any incumbent Presidential records (whether textual or electronic) held on courtesy storage by the Archivist remain in the exclusive legal custody of the President and that any request or order for access to such records must be made to the President, not NARA.

-Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.

-Establishes a process by which the President may restrict and the public may obtain access to these records after the President leaves office; specifically, the PRA allows for public access to Presidential records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years.

-Codifies the process by which former and incumbent Presidents conduct reviews for executive privilege prior to public release of records by NARA (which had formerly been governed by Executive order 13489).

-Establishes procedures for Congress, courts, and subsequent Administrations to obtain “special access” to records from NARA that remain closed to the public, following a privilege review period by the former and incumbent Presidents; the procedures governing such special access requests continue to be governed by the relevant provisions of E.O. 13489.

-Establishes preservation requirements for official business conducted using non-official electronic messaging accounts: any individual creating Presidential records must not use non-official electronic messaging accounts unless that individual copies an official account as the message is created or forwards a complete copy of the record to an official messaging account. (A similar provision in the Federal Records Act applies to federal agencies.)
Prevents an individual who has been convicted of a crime related to the review, retention, removal, or destruction of records from being given access to any original records
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Dumbass. Only the records that the President does not identify as his own personal records go to the custody of the archivist. The Clinton sock drawer case ruled that only the President has the right to decide what his personal records are. When Trump set aside records to be taken to Mar A Largo the records became his and were declassified.

The Presidential Records Act allows the president to decide what records to return and what records to keep at the end of his presidency. And the National Archives and Records Administration can’t do anything about it. I know because I’m the lawyer who lost the “Clinton sock drawer” case.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/clinto...ictment-documents-pra-personal-files-13986b28
 
Tinkerpeach said:
They don't need to be informed, they already know they have no case.

Jack Smith is just playing this game to get his name recognized for bigger things in his future.

He has no intention on winning.
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This is a hoot, there is no possible path that can get anyone to this idiots conclusion , it is the conclusion of a biosed brick head. Total waste of bandwidth.
 
QP! said:
As much as i would love to see it, i see no way Trump ends up in a prison as opposed to house arrest. The best hope i have is that they do not create a mockery of it by allowing him all of Mara Logo as his 'house' so he can spend every day out golfing.


We need to understand that the SS have rights and power. They have a mandate to create safe space for their charges that include being able to compel other law enforcement agencies to cede to their demands so they can ensure the safety of their charges. Maybe there is a club fed secure enough they could do that to the SS comfort but i suspect the SS would make it such hell for any prison Warden that they would not even try.
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Well let me see we are at 44 felonies on this charge and up to another 30 felonies on two other cases, The only way he will get anytying less then life is if they stop the court cases after he is found guilty of the document insanity.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Why not just hang him huh?

Or torture him that would be even better wouldn't it?

Even take his kids and family and make them suffer also right?

He deserves it.

He is worse than Satan.

Your hatred for the man is disgusting.

You are what pure evil looks like.
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Lol, I don’t hate Donald Trump, I don’t know him personally. I hate what he has done to our country.

I think he should be treated like the criminal he is.

I seriously do not care what you think of me.
 
Phantasmal said:
Lol, I don’t hate Donald Trump, I don’t know him personally. I hate what he has done to our country.

I think he should be treated like the criminal he is.

I seriously do not care what you think of me.
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and how about Biden and the fact he had documents that he stole from a SCI F
 
ExpressLane said:
Dumbass. Only the records that the President does not identify as his own personal records go to the custody of the archivist. The Clinton sock drawer case ruled that only the President has the right to decide what his personal records are. When Trump set aside records to be taken to Mar A Largo the records became his and were declassified.



https://www.wsj.com/articles/clinto...ictment-documents-pra-personal-files-13986b28
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Stupid shit. It says clearly that NARA decides what is personal and what is theirs.
 
Nordberg said:
Stupid shit. It says clearly that NARA decides what is personal and what is theirs.
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Yes they keep repeating exactly the opposite of what the PRA says.

Documents are either 'personal' or 'government' documents, and the potus DOES NOT determine that. That is determined by whether they were official work product or not related to the POTUS job duties.

IF a POTUS wants to claim something is personal (Diary, memoire, etc) they can make that claim and NARA will assess it, and if it is personal (like Clintons tape recordings for his memoires in his socks drawer) then he will get them back.

But the PRA is crystal clear that POTUS has zero power to declare any gov't doc's his private material. If it is work product it not personal, full stop. And it then goes to NARA as soon as the POTUS serves his last day in office.
 
The above is a result of Trump again taking advice from idiots. This time Tom Fitton, who has a conservative group that sues Dems all the time. Tom found about Clintons memoire tapes in the socks drawer and filed a FOIA request and sued to try and get them. It was ruled that the tapes were 'personal' and no t gov't and thus he could not have them.

He took away from that lawsuit, while in tears, that 'Clinton just declared them personal and got to keep them' and thus he told Trump under the PRA 'a POTUS could just declare things personal and keep them'. BUt that is not what Clinton did, nor did the court. They did not become Personal because Clinton declared them to be. They WERE personal to begin with.

But because he is a dumb derp, who is not a lawyer, and he was butt hurt, he gave Trump the wrong advice, that Trump followed, despite all the lawyers in Trump's orbit telling him Fitton was wrong and he needed to give the doc's back.
 
jbander said:
This is a joke, all the witnesses against scumbag will be his closest allies ,his closest family , leaders of his party and people who he has selected as his closest allies as president, along with half of his lawyers from the past. . That and the dumb fucks own words, videos and writing showing the world his endless crimes and being a traitor to this great country. Ya, you bet , what a hoot, no jury will be able to find him not guilty.
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I doubt he'll go to prison but could very well face home arrest for 10 years....which will probably be a life sentence for him.
 
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