Biden fights to lower health care costs

[Into the Night]

Massive costs and poor results because the system performs poorly and has for many decades is the core problem which Obama made worse.

Yeah. Since the Clintons fucked it up.

 

[Into the Night]

wouldn't you rather thank taxpayers for your premiums?.....

He's an ingrate. He won't thank anyone.

 

[Into the Night]

Short term policies were trump's only idea to replace ACA.

WRONG. Trump wanted to utterly destroy the ACA, knowing the damage it already caused.

They work for a select few extremely healthy customers, but are a very bad idea for most.

They don't work.

Unless he can issue an EO, this is just idle conjecture. Great campaign rhetoric, though. Which is important for him to ramp up in the next year.

Trump is not the king or a dictator. He cannot cancel a law passed by Congress with an EO.

 

[Port Tack]

There was no 'core problem'. Obama never did specify The Problem. He simply tried to nationalize health care insurance. It was an unmitigated disaster.

Utter bullshit. It was the largest drop in the number of uninsured in this country in history. Only a fucking moron would consider that a disaster.

 

[Port Tack]

All Obamacare did was add a layer of bureaucracy onto the existing system. Today in the US there are about the same number of uninsured people there were before Obamacare existed. In many parts of the country, Obamacare also reduced the options and choice of provider you could get in the individual insurance market. In a few cases it has been reduced to zero, and in many to just one provider.

So, on the whole Obamacare has been a costly failure, another Leftist example of their Crapper Touch.

Utter bullshit.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Utter bullshit. It was the largest drop in the number of uninsured in this country in history. Only a fucking moron would consider that a disaster.

aren't there just as many uninsured today as there were then?......

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Utter bullshit.

At least the tax mandate, easily the most hated part of Obamacare, has been repealed.

The only reason the number went down--the ONLY reason--was expanded Medicaid. That is more people who could not or would not afford health insurance went on Medicaid at taxpayer expense. All that did was raise costs nationally.

Obamacare, as should have been reasonably expected to, has cost far more than predicted and is a drain on the economy.

Then there was the whopper of a lie of the century by Obama: "If you like your health care plan you can keep it. If you like your doctor, you can keep him." That was nothing but a baldfaced lie.

 

[Into the Night]

Utter bullshit. It was the largest drop in the number of uninsured in this country in history. Only a fucking moron would consider that a disaster.

Blatant lie.

 

[Into the Night]

aren't there just as many uninsured today as there were then?......

More; since the cost of insurance is so high now (thanks to ObamaCare). Many of them are now homeless too. There are also quite a few are retirees on base Medicare (which isn't insurance).

 

[T. A. Gardner]

aren't there just as many uninsured today as there were then?......

Yes, because the problem then and now isn't access to healthcare or insurance. Some people just don't see the need for health insurance and want to spend that money on something else. Obamacare did nothing to fix the health insurance problem or the cost of healthcare. It just added another useless, and unnecessary, layer of bureaucracy to the system.

 

[Into the Night]

At least the tax mandate, easily the most hated part of Obamacare, has been repealed.

The only reason the number went down--the ONLY reason--was expanded Medicaid. That is more people who could not or would not afford health insurance went on Medicaid at taxpayer expense. All that did was raise costs nationally.

Obamacare, as should have been reasonably expected to, has cost far more than predicted and is a drain on the economy.

Then there was the whopper of a lie of the century by Obama: "If you like your health care plan you can keep it. If you like your doctor, you can keep him." That was nothing but a baldfaced lie.

There is a problem with these numbers.
They include those on Medicare or Medicaid (neither are insurance).
Also, the homeless and nameless indigent poor are not counted. Neither are the illegal immigrants.

The number of uninsured is much higher than reported.

The enormous drain on the federal budget certainly took place though.

Communism doesn't work.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

There is a problem with these numbers.
They include those on Medicare or Medicaid (neither are insurance).
Also, the homeless and nameless indigent poor are not counted. Neither are the illegal immigrants.

The number of uninsured is much higher than reported.

The increase in the use of Medicaid under Obamacare is a problem. It did raise costs and the cost of the program. It should be included.

 

[Into the Night]

The increase in the use of Medicaid under Obamacare is a problem. It did raise costs and the cost of the program. It should be included.

The costs of these two program SHOULD be included, but aren't. These figures are just for the cost of ObamaCare.

 

[Nordberg]

The increase in the use of Medicaid under Obamacare is a problem. It did raise costs and the cost of the program. It should be included.

Yes, poor people should not have healthcare. That is such a problem.
We need universal medical care. It is better and cheaper.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Yes, poor people should not have healthcare. That is such a problem.
We need universal medical care. It is better and cheaper.

Most poor could more readily afford healthcare if it were offered in a free market rather than one using insurance and heavy government interference... After all, if that were the case, they wouldn't be paying huge sums every month for something they well might not be using and when the need did come up they could manage the payment(s).

Universal healthcare is neither better nor cheaper.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, poor people should not have healthcare.

They do have healthcare.

That is such a problem.

It IS a problem.

We need universal medical care. It is better and cheaper.

TANSTAAFL. Blatant lie, and unconstitutional.

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

So Far nothing is less under Biden except for disposable income

 

[Nordberg]

Most poor could more readily afford healthcare if it were offered in a free market rather than one using insurance and heavy government interference... After all, if that were the case, they wouldn't be paying huge sums every month for something they well might not be using and when the need did come up they could manage the payment(s).

Universal healthcare is neither better nor cheaper.

It is both. Our for-profit healthcare is among the lowest rated in the industrial countries.
We have health insurance companies that have no product. They do not provide healthcare, but we have to give them money for access to it. They are for maxing profits, so they make more by denying healthcare, as much as they can get away with.
If you had to pay for your own health insurance, you would find out how expensive it is. https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/31/health/us-health-care-spending-global-perspective/index.html

 

[T. A. Gardner]

It is both. Our for-profit healthcare is among the lowest rated in the industrial countries.
We have health insurance companies that have no product. They do not provide healthcare, but we have to give them money for access to it. They are for maxing profits, so they make more by denying healthcare, as much as they can get away with.
If you had to pay for your own health insurance, you would find out how expensive it is. https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/31/health/us-health-care-spending-global-perspective/index.html

CNN didn't link the Commonwealth study they cited... Typical for sloppy Leftist journalists who were liberal arts majors...

Anyway, I looked it up. Like virtually every other study I've seen it lists a lot of metrics that are socialist bullshit as to the quality of healthcare.

The study is here:

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pu...022-scorecard-state-health-system-performance

It includes such non-healthcare system categories as "healthy lives" and "avoidable hospital use & cost." Those are not metrics that measure the system, but rather metrics of those using the system. You can't include as a factor in the quality of a healthcare system the individual stupidity of the users.

Then it includes the usual Socialist and Leftist bullshit that has NOTHING to do with the quality of care like:

Income disparity
Racial & Ethnic Equity

They tossed into this particular study "COVID 19" as a category. Another anomaly.

The only two that really count are "Accessibility and Affordability" (mostly but not entirely a measure of how socialized the system is btw) and "Prevention and Treatment."

Like other studies--virtually all of them-- the US comes out at the top, usually in the top three for the quality of care, while not doing as well on affordability and usually fairly well on accessibility when that is measured by things like wait times and not just Socialist measures of everybody having access.

So, the CNN report just regurgitates the same vomitous mass of nonsense that argues that somehow Socialized medicine is better.

 

[Port Tack]

More; since the cost of insurance is so high now (thanks to ObamaCare). Many of them are now homeless too. There are also quite a few are retirees on base Medicare (which isn't insurance).

If one is homeless they don't pay a dime for health insurance moron, they would be on medicaid.