Biden fights to lower health care costs

[Into the Night]

The difference was a matter of degree. Tinker was saying Biden thinks people are stupid without noting that Joke himself is a moron. He appears, today, to be the ultimate example of both the Dunning-Kruger effect and the Peter Principle all in one...

Which is just saying that Biden thinks people are stupid without noting that Joke himself is a moron.

You might try to reword it, but you are both saying the same thing!

 

[Into the Night]

Well, many come because Canadian healthcare doesn't cover the procedure(s) they need. For example, they often come because their healthcare system doesn't cover dental and that's far cheaper in Mexico.

Which is what I just said.

 

[Into the Night]

No, but Obama while claiming to be fixing healthcare actually made no effort to solve the core problems, and in fact made them worse.

There was no 'core problem'. Obama never did specify The Problem. He simply tried to nationalize health care insurance. It was an unmitigated disaster.

 

[Hawkeye10]

There was no 'core problem'. Obama never did specify The Problem. He simply tried to nationalize health care insurance. It was an unmitigated disaster.

Massive costs and poor results because the system performs poorly and has for many decades is the core problem which Obama made worse.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

There was no 'core problem'. Obama never did specify The Problem. He simply tried to nationalize health care insurance. It was an unmitigated disaster.

All Obamacare did was add a layer of bureaucracy onto the existing system. Today in the US there are about the same number of uninsured people there were before Obamacare existed. In many parts of the country, Obamacare also reduced the options and choice of provider you could get in the individual insurance market. In a few cases it has been reduced to zero, and in many to just one provider.

So, on the whole Obamacare has been a costly failure, another Leftist example of their Crapper Touch.

 

[Into the Night]

Massive costs and poor results because the system performs poorly and has for many decades is the core problem which Obama made worse.

There was no 'core problem'. Obama never did specify The Problem. He simply tried to nationalize health care insurance. It was an unmitigated disaster.

 

[Into the Night]

All Obamacare did was add a layer of bureaucracy onto the existing system.

ObamaCare was an attempt to nationalise the health insurance industry...nothing less. That failed. The result was adding a HUGE layer of bureaucracy as you describe.

Today in the US there are about the same number of uninsured people there were before Obamacare existed.

Despite everything ObamaCare promised.

In many parts of the country, Obamacare also reduced the options and choice of provider you could get in the individual insurance market.
In a few cases it has been reduced to zero, and in many to just one provider.

Quite right.

So, on the whole Obamacare has been a costly failure, another Leftist example of their Crapper Touch.

Exactly right. So costly, it's failing under it's own weight. The nationalization part was repealed through court action and by executive orders.

 

[Nordberg]

Massive costs and poor results because the system performs poorly and has for many decades is the core problem which Obama made worse.

The ACA provided healthcare to millions of Americans who did not have it. It allowed Medicare people to have a yearly physical at no cost. It opened up and helped finance city clinics to help the poor, It did a lot more. But rightys do not want money wasted on those who need it. All money should go to the wealthy and corporations, and they will dole it out as they see fit.
Our system put much of healthcare on the backs of employers. Even rights can figure out what that cost does to American business competitiveness. They have huge departments that handle healthcare.
Americans who want to start a business have to deal with healthcare. In the beginning, they may not be able to afford it. Are you feeling lucky? If you become a bit successful, you have to provide it for the staff.
Our system is simply stupid. For-profit healthcare, an absolute need for people, will never get cheaper. They cut staff, cut beds, and do what they can to maximize profits. They buy up hospitals and systems until they are all-powerful. They spend over 700 million a year in lobbying. Why, to give you better and cheaper healthcare? https://www.axios.com/2022/10/28/he...g-on-federal-lobbying-surged-70-over-20-years

 

[PostmodernProphet]

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden on Friday rolled out a new set of initiatives to reduce health care costs: a crackdown on scam insurance plans, new guidance to prevent surprise medical bills and an effort to reduce medical debt tied to credit cards.

Biden’s remarks will build on previous initiatives to limit health care costs, with the Department of Health and Human Services releasing new estimates showing 18.7 million older adults and other Medicare beneficiaries will save an estimated $400 per year in prescription drug costs in 2025 because of the president placing a cap on out-of-pocket spending as part of last year’s Inflation Reduction Act.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-he...iption-drugs-e8960514ff32bcc37bb8becccf3112cf

since they went up while he was president, its only fair.......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Eli Lilly announced they are lowering the cost of insulin by 70% and capping what patients pay out-of-pocket for insulin at $35. This action, driven by the momentum from the Biden Inflation Reduction Act, could benefit millions of Americans with diabetes in all fifty states and U.S. territories.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...ed they are,fifty states and U.S. territories.



https://diatribe.org/biden-calls-35-monthly-insulin-price-cap-all-americans

Trump did the same by executive order.....Biden reversed it the first month he was in office.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

If Biden had his way there would not BE any fucking premiums for health insurance. You have only the republicans to thank for your "premiums".

wouldn't you rather thank taxpayers for your premiums?.....

 

[Althea]

WASHINGTON, July 7 (Reuters) - President Joe Biden on Friday announced new steps to crack down on short-term health insurance plans and surprise medical bills, stepping up his war against so-called junk fees to lower healthcare costs.

This will include a proposed rule that closes loopholes companies use to offer misleading short-term insurance products, discriminate based on pre-existing conditions, offer little to no coverage and saddle consumers with thousands of dollars worth of medical expenses, White House Domestic Policy Adviser Neera Tanden told reporters.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bi...short-term-health-insurance-plans-2023-07-07/

Short term policies were trump's only idea to replace ACA. They work for a select few extremely healthy customers, but are a very bad idea for most.

Unless he can issue an EO, this is just idle conjecture. Great campaign rhetoric, though. Which is important for him to ramp up in the next year.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The ACA provided healthcare to millions of Americans who did not have it. It allowed Medicare people to have a yearly physical at no cost. It opened up and helped finance city clinics to help the poor, It did a lot more. But rightys do not want money wasted on those who need it. All money should go to the wealthy and corporations, and they will dole it out as they see fit.
Our system put much of healthcare on the backs of employers. Even rights can figure out what that cost does to American business competitiveness. They have huge departments that handle healthcare.
Americans who want to start a business have to deal with healthcare. In the beginning, they may not be able to afford it. Are you feeling lucky? If you become a bit successful, you have to provide it for the staff.
Our system is simply stupid. For-profit healthcare, an absolute need for people, will never get cheaper. They cut staff, cut beds, and do what they can to maximize profits. They buy up hospitals and systems until they are all-powerful. They spend over 700 million a year in lobbying. Why, to give you better and cheaper healthcare? https://www.axios.com/2022/10/28/he...g-on-federal-lobbying-surged-70-over-20-years

Not true. For the most part, all Obamacare did is force people previously buying individual health insurance policies into buying an Obamacare policy. The only real expansion was in putting more people on Medicaid in states that expanded that program under Obamacare. That greatly raised the cost of the entire program.

I agree, our system is stupid. We should work to abolish using health insurance to pay for most of our healthcare (I'd estimate 80%+) and get back to a free market approach. The current system is moving towards a government monopoly that will absolutely cost more and have really shitty service.

 

[Into the Night]

The ACA provided healthcare to millions of Americans who did not have it.

No, it didn't. Indeed, it made it harder to get healthcare since it attempted to national the health insurance industry.

It allowed Medicare people to have a yearly physical at no cost.

TANSTAAFL. It costs, dude. A LOT. You pay for it with taxes.

It opened up and helped finance city clinics to help the poor,

It didn't.

It did a lot more.

Such as causing a dramatic rise in health insurance costs, putting a lot more bureaucracy in the way of getting healthcare, and made it harder and harder to provide healthcare due to price controls.

But rightys do not want money wasted on those who need it.

The government doesn't need it. That's who gets the money, dope.

All money should go to the wealthy and corporations,

No. They earn their own money. They do it by providing products and services.

and they will dole it out as they see fit.

They do not 'dole it out'.

Our system put much of healthcare on the backs of employers.

Because of DEMOCRATS, dude.

Even rights can figure out what that cost does to American business competitiveness.

Because of DEMOCRATS, dude.

They have huge departments that handle healthcare.

Because of DEMOCRATS, dude.

Americans who want to start a business have to deal with healthcare.

No, they don't. Blatant lie.

In the beginning, they may not be able to afford it.

Because of DEMOCRATS, dude.

Are you feeling lucky? If you become a bit successful, you have to provide it for the staff.

No, I don't.

Our system is simply stupid.

Because of DEMOCRATS, dude.

For-profit healthcare, an absolute need for people, will never get cheaper. They cut staff, cut beds, and do what they can to maximize profits.

So you think that by cutting out customers, they will make greater profit??? Sheesh. You have NO concept of how to run a business, do ya?

They buy up hospitals and systems until they are all-powerful.

They won't have enough money to do that with your business model!

They spend over 700 million a year in lobbying.

A pittance.

Why, to give you better and cheaper healthcare?

That's exactly what capitalism does.

 

[Into the Night]

since they went up while he was president, its only fair.......

And they will go up again. Biden's 'Inflation Reduction Act' will cause inflation.

 

[Into the Night]

WASHINGTON, July 7 (Reuters) - President Joe Biden on Friday announced new steps to crack down on short-term health insurance plans and surprise medical bills, stepping up his war against so-called junk fees to lower healthcare costs.

This will include a proposed rule that closes loopholes companies use to offer misleading short-term insurance products, discriminate based on pre-existing conditions, offer little to no coverage and saddle consumers with thousands of dollars worth of medical expenses, White House Domestic Policy Adviser Neera Tanden told reporters.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bi...short-term-health-insurance-plans-2023-07-07/

ObamaCare II. It will get thrown out by the courts yet again.

 

[Into the Night]

Eli Lilly announced they are lowering the cost of insulin by 70% and capping what patients pay out-of-pocket for insulin at $35. This action, driven by the momentum from the Biden Inflation Reduction Act, could benefit millions of Americans with diabetes in all fifty states and U.S. territories.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...ed they are,fifty states and U.S. territories.



https://diatribe.org/biden-calls-35-monthly-insulin-price-cap-all-americans

This is communism. The government is covering the cost (at taxpayer expense). Actual prices will only go up now. Biden's 'Inflation Reduction Act' will just cause inflation.

 

[Into the Night]

What's the point of capitalism if you cannot profit from another's suffering.

Communism isn't capitalism.

 

[Into the Night]

So, what other products did Eli Lilly increase the price of to make up for that loss?

They didn't. The cost is paid for by the government. It's communism.

 

[Into the Night]

You truly are stupid. I clearly did not say that.

Yes you did. Don't try to deny your own posts. Anyone can read them.