Tesla 2nd qtr numbers easily beat analyst expectations. MAGA soils diapers.

Already stated. RQAA.
There is nothing wrong with governments setting goals to cut out ICE vehicles
Yes there is. Fascism is a form of socialism. It never works.
or coal burning
Yes there is. Fascism is a form of socialism. It never works.
over the next few decades to try and stem global warming.
No coal, gasoline, gas, or vapor is capable of warming the Earth. You are STILL ignoring the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

You cannot create energy out of nothing.
You cannot trap heat.
You cannot trap light.
You cannot heat a warmer surface using a colder gas.
You have no right to say 'I don't care about future generations nor this planet as i will be dead, so i will refuse to use the planet friendly alternatives and just keep burning coal and gas, despite much better options being in place'.
Pascal's Wager fallacy.
 
ICEs will available during your whole life. They will not be trashed. Thel atavistic types will never buy an EV. But laws are made for the benefit of society. They are not an arrow into your chain mail protected heart. They are about cutting pollution. You kids will be happy and your grandkids.

Irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.
 
ICEs will available during your whole life. They will not be trashed. Thel atavistic types will never buy an EV. But laws are made for the benefit of society. They are not an arrow into your chain mail protected heart. They are about cutting pollution. You kids will be happy and your grandkids.

More likely, like every bad idea the Left's pushed on society--as if there were any other kind coming from the Left--my bet is:

The EV push will end in failure. First, because it's likely someone will get a practical fuel cell vehicle going and that dooms the EV market. Second, even if EV's dominate in the vehicle market I doubt they'll have much, if any, impact on the climate.

At that point, having made people poorer and less mobile, the Left will find some new shiny object to wring their hands over and ignore the disaster they created in transportation entirely as if it never happened.
 
More likely, like every bad idea the Left's pushed on society--as if there were any other kind coming from the Left--my bet is:

The EV push will end in failure. First, because it's likely someone will get a practical fuel cell vehicle going and that dooms the EV market. Second, even if EV's dominate in the vehicle market I doubt they'll have much, if any, impact on the climate.

At that point, having made people poorer and less mobile, the Left will find some new shiny object to wring their hands over and ignore the disaster they created in transportation entirely as if it never happened.

You actually think you have it figured out over industrial leaders, politicians, manufacturers, engineers, and climatologists. You should not make that bet. You will lose. Fuel cells huh? You are grasping trying to back your hate of EVs with shots in the dark. Don't buy one. But you are so wrong.
 
Yes there is. There's plenty wrong with it. For starters, what happens if we do all this carbon emissions reduction and it doesn't work? The same sort of "scientists" that are telling us we have to eliminate CO2 were the same sort that got the hole in the ozone layer wrong forcing a ban on CFC's. Their track record on predictions has been nearly 100% wrong. I could go to a psychic and get better predictions.

What we have is a religion of environmentalism on the radical Left setting an agenda that is likely to be a total failure. If that does happen, they will walk away as if they did nothing even if they completely fucked up everything.

Well, I for one don't buy their bullshit.

You are EXACTLY like MTG or Boebert. You are one of the clearly dumbest posters on this forum and yet you think you can constantly lecture experts on what is best.

No one GAF about your opinion on anything as you have proven yourself stupid so many times. You claim any progress being pursued should not be done as you label it all 'wish casting' and you try to make your point by saying they are pursing things not yet proven.

You have no clue that almost every single advancement from auto's to airplanes, to roads, to bridges was all wish casting. Built and scaled up based on a BELIEF it would be adopted.

Yes many new technologies and endeavours do fail, BUT THAT DOES not mean others should not be pursued. We live in a world in the wish casting success stories, NONE OF WHICH would exist if you were in charge as you would stop their pursuit saying 'they are not proven and based on wishing'.


You like Boebert and MTG are the toxic part of our society. To be set aside and ignored as the rest of build and support the advancements you never would or could.
 
There are lots and lots of ICE cars to buy, you mindless cunt.

You DO try so desperately to deny your own posts and laws being passed banning ICE cars, don't ya?
You are hopelessly twisted up in your own pile of paradoxes. You will not resolve any of them. You just continue to be irrational.
 
You are EXACTLY like MTG or Boebert. You are one of the clearly dumbest posters on this forum and yet you think you can constantly lecture experts on what is best.

No one GAF about your opinion on anything as you have proven yourself stupid so many times. You claim any progress being pursued should not be done as you label it all 'wish casting' and you try to make your point by saying they are pursing things not yet proven.

You have no clue that almost every single advancement from auto's to airplanes, to roads, to bridges was all wish casting. Built and scaled up based on a BELIEF it would be adopted.

Yes many new technologies and endeavours do fail, BUT THAT DOES not mean others should not be pursued. We live in a world in the wish casting success stories, NONE OF WHICH would exist if you were in charge as you would stop their pursuit saying 'they are not proven and based on wishing'.


You like Boebert and MTG are the toxic part of our society. To be set aside and ignored as the rest of build and support the advancements you never would or could.

Do you ever get tired of admiring your own shadow?
 
More likely, like every bad idea the Left's pushed on society--as if there were any other kind coming from the Left--my bet is:

The EV push will end in failure. First, because it's likely someone will get a practical fuel cell vehicle going and that dooms the EV market. Second, even if EV's dominate in the vehicle market I doubt they'll have much, if any, impact on the climate.

At that point, having made people poorer and less mobile, the Left will find some new shiny object to wring their hands over and ignore the disaster they created in transportation entirely as if it never happened.

Fuel cells are even worse than EVs.

They require even MORE energy than EVs waste by using them, since ALL of the fuel must be manufactured.
ALL fuel cells require rare materials as well to function at all.
They have very poor acceleration characteristics, necessitating large battery packs to act as ballast. You don't lose large battery packs with fuel cells. You only reduce their required size somewhat.

This whole nonsense is being driven by the Church of Green and the Church of Global Warming, which hate CO2 for some dumbass reason.

NO gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth.
 
...and now for a bit of 'expert' worship...
You actually think you have it figured out over industrial leaders, politicians, manufacturers, engineers, and climatologists.
Void reference fallacy. You are also AGAIN ignoring that Ford AND Toyota are getting out of EVs, the two largest manufacturers of cars and trucks.
'Industrial leaders' manufacture shit every day (until they go out of business!).
Politicians are not experts on anything. They do not manufacture anything. They are not automotive engineers. Neither are you.
Engineers (including automotive engineers) design shit every day. See your typical poorly designed car, terrible phones, packages that are hard to open, etc; as examples.
'Climatology' is a religion. It is not a study of anything. Climate is NOT weather. Weather changes, climate cannot. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. No gas or vapor has the capability to destroy the Earth.
You should not make that bet. You will lose.
:laugh: YOU are already losing! Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs. The backlash against the tyranny you support is building. Bans on ICE vehicles is not going to last long!
Fuel cells huh? You are grasping trying to back your hate of EVs with shots in the dark.
Quite the opposite. The disadvantages of EVs is obvious. He is simply pointing them out. So have I. There is no reason to ban ICE vehicles.

* Large battery packs are EXPENSIVE, making the car EXPENSIVE!
* Charging these packs and using them requires almost TWICE as much energy to go the same distance as simply burning gasoline in the same sized car going the same distance.
* The EV is inconvenient, requiring HOURS to charge them. 'Topping off' doesn't count. That's just constantly becoming a worry wart about charging them. MANDATES to require charging stations in shopping centers and businesses are fascism. That is THEFT of private property to support a STATE RELIGION.
* The EV is dangerous and easily totaled in an accident. ANY damage to any single cell effectively totals the car. ANY corrosion or damage to any single cell can start a fire that cannot be put out with water. Lithium is FAR MORE DANGEROUS than gasoline!
* The EV is HEAVY. Parking structures built to code have collapsed under the weight of EVs in them. This excess weight damages roads as well, and makes the car's handling sluggish. Winding roads or slalom courses are particularly bad for EVs for this reason. This weight also means you can carry far less of a payload. This problem is worse as the size of the vehicle is increased (such as a truck or semi-truck). It also means EVs will never be used as a practical aircraft.
* The EV is only designed for ideal driving conditions. Cold weather, heavy snow and ice, flooding, road salts, etc all serve to seriously reduce range or even permanently damage the battery pack permanently. They make a TERRIBLE off-road vehicle.
* The EV requires materials that are NOT renewable, and is getting harder and harder to obtain (especially the lithium), making the EV even MORE expensive. EV manufacturers are compensating by using smaller battery packs, which of course reduces range correspondingly. 60Mj packs are much more commonplace now, and some packs are as small as 40Mj.
* EVs require special shops for repair and maintenance (read: EXPENSIVE). ICE cars don't.
* EVs do NOT 'save the planet' or reduce CO2. They still need to be charged (using almost twice the energy to do it than a gasoline car simply driving the same distance). All EVs do is move the 'tailpipe' to some remote location.
* EVs have TERRIBLE life span of the vehicle. Once the battery pack goes, the car is junk. Batteries suffer aging, and range is reduced all the way.

Gasoline is a renewable fuel. It's cheap (the ONLY reason for high prices right now is government interference and taxes!). It has a lot of power for it's weight (gasoline has the highest power by volume, while kerosene has the highest volume by weight). Hydrogen does NOT have the highest power by weight, since that is only true if you are pressurizing it to insane pressures that a fuel tank could never withstand...far greater than 3000psi! You simply can't carry enough hydrogen by volume to equal the weight.

Gasoline is available everywhere. You can refuel in minutes. You do not need to constantly 'top off' and indeed that's largely pointless.

The gasoline or diesel engine is cheap and easily produced. I can buy two or even three new gasoline cars of the same size for the same price as ONE EV. The engine an be easily maintained with simple tools. No specialized shop needed.

Don't buy one. But you are so wrong.
No.

I will stick to my gasoline and diesel vehicles. They're a lot cheaper, a lot lighter, a lot more convenient, have effectively infinite range (since it only requires a few minutes to refuel them), I can carry and tow a lot more payload with them, I can do my own maintenance (and I do), and they last as long as I maintain them.

They are don't pose any special fire hazard, and last a LONG time (there are still cars built over 70 years ago driving around!). Heck...the aircraft I fly is 62 years old and still flying just as well as ever!

I haul and tow a whale of a lot of stuff with my truck. My tractor does the job quickly and efficiently and I can use it easily in remote locations, fueling it from a can.

I'll stick to gas and diesel engines, thank you very much.

Feel free to waste your money on an EV, but you are NOT 'saving the planet'. It doesn't need 'saving'. It's quite big enough to take care of itself.
And don't try to sell me on your religions. Don't try to mandate EVs or make me pay for your car through subsidies.
 
You are EXACTLY like MTG or Boebert. You are one of the clearly dumbest posters on this forum and yet you think you can constantly lecture experts on what is best.

No one GAF about your opinion on anything as you have proven yourself stupid so many times. You claim any progress being pursued should not be done as you label it all 'wish casting' and you try to make your point by saying they are pursing things not yet proven.

You have no clue that almost every single advancement from auto's to airplanes, to roads, to bridges was all wish casting. Built and scaled up based on a BELIEF it would be adopted.

Yes many new technologies and endeavours do fail, BUT THAT DOES not mean others should not be pursued. We live in a world in the wish casting success stories, NONE OF WHICH would exist if you were in charge as you would stop their pursuit saying 'they are not proven and based on wishing'.


You like Boebert and MTG are the toxic part of our society. To be set aside and ignored as the rest of build and support the advancements you never would or could.

'Expert' worship. EVs are NOT an advancement or 'progress'.
 
You are EXACTLY like MTG or Boebert. You are one of the clearly dumbest posters on this forum and yet you think you can constantly lecture experts on what is best.

No one GAF about your opinion on anything as you have proven yourself stupid so many times. You claim any progress being pursued should not be done as you label it all 'wish casting' and you try to make your point by saying they are pursing things not yet proven.

You have no clue that almost every single advancement from auto's to airplanes, to roads, to bridges was all wish casting. Built and scaled up based on a BELIEF it would be adopted.

Yes many new technologies and endeavours do fail, BUT THAT DOES not mean others should not be pursued. We live in a world in the wish casting success stories, NONE OF WHICH would exist if you were in charge as you would stop their pursuit saying 'they are not proven and based on wishing'.


You like Boebert and MTG are the toxic part of our society. To be set aside and ignored as the rest of build and support the advancements you never would or could.

'Expert' worship. EVs are NOT an advancement or 'progress'.
 
You actually think you have it figured out over industrial leaders, politicians, manufacturers, engineers, and climatologists. You should not make that bet. You will lose. Fuel cells huh? You are grasping trying to back your hate of EVs with shots in the dark. Don't buy one. But you are so wrong.

What's better that you're offering, fagggotardus?

Is it diesel with an inverter hooked to an electrical motor?

Ofc not. You're a global warming lemming that can't think for itself.


I know you couldn't rebuild any engine, be it electrical, or diesel, or gasoline powered.

You couldn't design one, either. That's where we're different.
 
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