Can Fox regain any credibility?

Hello BartenderElite,

BartenderElite said:
Everything we knew about them has now been exposed. They're a campaign arm for the RNC, chose ratings over truth and spent years pushing propaganda for Trump because they were so afraid of him.

As of today, I don't really understand how anyone can trust anything that they hear on that network.

I think they can make it back - but they need new faces. I'm not even sure why some of their personalities are still on the air.

Thoughts?
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They will retain popularity but not credibility. The people who are being lied to like being lied to. They do not wish to admit the truth that liberals have been right all along about practically everything. The worst racists among Fox viewers like their white male dominance and are terrified of losing it and being reduced to thinking of themselves as no better than blacks.

LBJ grew up in the South. He understood exactly what it was all about: "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
 
Fox is racist and Fox viewers like it that way. They don't need credibility. They think they are better than other people and Fox reaffirms that for them.
 
BartenderElite said:
Everything we knew about them has now been exposed. They're a campaign arm for the RNC, chose ratings over truth and spent years pushing propaganda for Trump because they were so afraid of him.

As of today, I don't really understand how anyone can trust anything that they hear on that network.

I think they can make it back - but they need new faces. I'm not even sure why some of their personalities are still on the air.

Thoughts?
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and yet, they are still less biased than CNN, MSNBC, NBC......how do you explain that?.....
 
BartenderElite said:
You're making the mistake here of thinking that I'm talking about bias. MSNBC and CNN are both biased, as Fox is, and have been for many years.

Fox took it a step further, judging by the revelations of the past few weeks. They pushed a huge lie, which damaged American election integrity, even though they KNEW it was a lie. Tucker Carlson reportedly tried to have a staffer fired because she wanted to fact-check the claims.

It's a different level. Nothing CNN or MSNBC do compares.
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your unconstitutional elections damaged election integrity AND put the Pale Faced Pedophile in the Oval Office.......what compares to that?.....
 
Jarod said:
They went so far over the edge to lies that they panicked because moving toward the truth would lose them their base of viewers. No wonder their ratings were good, they intentionally just affirmed lies to stroke viewers narcissistic egos.
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after the last six years you people have nothing left to stand on......can you even remember what the truth looks like?.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
after the last six years you people have nothing left to stand on......can you even remember what the truth looks like?.......
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We aren’t the ones glued to a network being sued for massive lies. The emails show how badly Trumppers were played.
 
cawacko said:
My question to you is is MSNBC any different? I don't say that as a deflection or a defense of Fox but when I hear people complain about Fox then never say a word about MSNBC it just comes off as pure partisanship, not principle.

To each his own of course, I just choose not to watch either channel. Doesn't make me better than anyone else it's just a personal choice. So even though I'm on the right politically I feel no need to defend Fox News. And when I see people argue Cable New Channels have helped drive the divide and helped poison discourse in this country I totally agree. But a lot of people can't or won't acknowledge that because it means they (and their side) are contributing to it. It's much more fun and enjoyable to simply blame the 'other side'.
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If you are saying that what MSNBC does is the same as what FOX does with regard to political bias...you are much further to the political right than you apparently think.

Both are politically slanted. You are politically slanted; I am politically slanted; almost everyone is politically slanted.

The lying of FOX hosts, however, is so much more pervasive and duplicitous than anything on MSNBC or CNN (or even an elementary schoolyard) that any attempt at a comparability comparison is absurd.

BUT, some people are willing to tolerate an Australian like Rupert Murdoch having the kind of outsized influence he has on our national identity. And since our Constitution pretty much allows it, I guess we have to accept it.

One would think Americans would have more pride.

Obviously, because of the right wing of American politics, WE DO NOT.
 
Frank Apisa said:
If you are saying that what MSNBC does is the same as what FOX does with regard to political bias...you are much further to the political right than you apparently think.

Both are politically slanted. You are politically slanted; I am politically slanted; almost everyone is politically slanted.

The lying of FOX hosts, however, is so much more pervasive and duplicitous than anything on MSNBC or CNN (or even an elementary schoolyard) that any attempt at a comparability comparison is absurd.

BUT, some people are willing to tolerate an Australian like Rupert Murdoch having the kind of outsized influence he has on our national identity. And since our Constitution pretty much allows it, I guess we have to accept it.

One would think Americans would have more pride.

Obviously, because of the right wing of American politics, WE DO NOT.
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Admittedly I don't watch either channel but in this world of ours with social media its hard not to see clips from time to time. What I see in clips from both channels is mostly trash. Maybe its a small sample size and I'm just seeing the fringe stuff but I don't think so. These channels aren't the CNN of my youth "the most trusted name in news". They are out for ratings and they do it by appealing their bases on the left and right. We used to go home and everyone pretty much watched the same nightly news. Now we go into our corners and watch stations that give us confirmation bias and tell us how everyone else is the enemy etc.

There's not a lot positive coming from either channel and they are a big contributor to the country's division. Trying to debate which is worse than the other misses the forest for the trees.
 
cawacko said:
Here's a question for you.

We know cable new channels are full of bias and lies. We know that truth doesn't sell to the under educated/working class. So why would any educated person watch cable news? An obvious answer is educated people like entertainment just like working class folks. But since educated folk prefer truth why do we still watch?
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Bias and lies are not the same thing.
Spin and lies aren't even quite the same thing.
Like myself, MSNBC has clear bias.

Fox, in contrast, is routinely caught in outright fabrications.
Plus, on a purely personal note, I find their on-air people to be mostly repugnant.
That's probably the more important thing.

I don't like all of the MSNBC people, either.
I often find Joy Reid annoying. She really got on the wrong side of me during the 2020 Democratic primary season,
and hasn't done much to change my opinion of her.

I don't like CNN much, because I'm not an in-the-middle kind of person and the more palatable MSNBC is available.

As to what's completely true, that's not directly available to us in either electronic or print media.
We need to get an overall picture and then decide what seems the most logical to us.

That's the main reason that I don't get hung up on individual stories but prefer to look at a wide angle picture of what's happening.
 
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