T. A. Gardner
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A reasonable person would push the cylinder release with the gun on half cock (safe for single action revolvers), then flop the cylinder out and look at the rounds that are loaded. No primers = no way to fire a round.
Alec Baldwin to be charged with involuntary manslaughter in 'Rust' movie set shooting
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A reasonable person would push the cylinder release with the gun on half cock (safe for single action revolvers), then flop the cylinder out and look at the rounds that are loaded. No primers = no way to fire a round.
Saint Guinefort
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Should AB held as accountable for this as the set armorer?
anonymoose
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A no brainer.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
At least. The buck stops with the last person in possession of the firearm which would be the person who discharged it.
Saint Guinefort
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That's actually pretty reasonable. Any gun is ALWAYS treated as if it is loaded no matter what.
I think A.B. needs to suffer some consequence for this (I believe he was also a producer on the movie) but I don't think he is as culpable as the set armorer.
A cop thought she grabbed her taser and not the real gun. She shot someone...the left screamed she be charged
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
She was and convicted.
I think it was the armorer's fault.
It was Hutchins who lined up the shot, with the gun pointed at the camera, and her behind the camera. She did that with the confidence that there was absolutely no way on Earth the gun could ever possibly be loaded. That was based on 30 years of armorers making darn sure that there was no way on Earth the gun cold ever possibly be loaded. In this case, the armorer did not do her job.
Blaming Baldwin for how Hutchins setup the shot is insane.
There has been nearly 2 million gun deaths in America over the last 30 years, with only one of them happening on a film set. The safety record of Hollywood is not perfect, but is impressive. The safety record of the NRA is a disgrace, and we all know it.
anonymoose
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I'm convinced. It was Hutchins fault.
T. A. Gardner
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YOU get handed a firearm, a deadly weapon, it is YOUR responsibility to check it's condition, NOBODY ELSE'S! YOU are responsible. If the armorer fucked up and loaded a live round, fire her. Make sure everybody knows she's unsafe. But if she hands a firearm to YOU, the first thing YOU do is check its condition, first time, every time. If you are unfamiliar with the weapon, have the person handing it to you do it in front of you so YOU KNOW FOR SURE what the condition is.
So a husband can shoot and kill his wife.. only has to say well she told me it was unloaded and it just went off...so no charges
Lined up the shot is bullshit..he was fucking around with the gun
Baldwin was practicing his quick cross draw when he shot her...so there was no reason to pull the trigger
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Cage nearly died when the gun went off right next to him. He walked off the set, but then was told he would be sued for millions and came back. In the end, nothing changed.
I'm convinced. It was Hutchins fault.
I look at the millions of shots with guns pointing at cameras, without any injuries, and think it was a completely valid decision. Even the safest things can be dangerous with bad luck, or incompetence. The incompetence was the armorer's.
And Baldwin hired her
Bar owners can be held responsible for irresponsible bartenders that keep serving drunks and they kill someone
Hollywood has had one death in 30 years not following that rule, and America in general has had almost two million deaths from guns following that rule. On a film set, the more the actors do to mess with the gun, the more dangerous it is. It is the armorer's responsibility to make sure the gun is safe, and the actor's responsibility to do what the armorer says. If an actor messes with a gun, and armorer must watch every action to make sure the actor has not made the gun dangerous.
Once again, actors do not fire armorers. Actors act. It is in the name.
I have known a few actors, and they are often good at acting, but not at other things. It is important not to give them responsibilities beyond acting.
anonymoose
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I'll bet it did. No more live rounds in prop guns.
Mason Michaels
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Trump doesn't have anything to do with this!
Mason Michaels
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That's true legally, but for your own peace of mind,check a gun yourself!
Mason Michaels
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They probably don't, there's supposed to be a person who's job is to handle the guns,that guy is first and foremost responsible,for handing the actor the load gun.