Alec Baldwin to be charged with involuntary manslaughter in 'Rust' movie set shooting

ExpressLane said:
Satan do you own guns?
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I think it is safe to say that American gun owners have nothing to be proud of on the safety front. Half of all guns go missing almost immediately. The number of gun deaths are surpassing car deaths.

The one bright spot is Hollywood. In 30 years, they have had only one death from guns. During that period, America in general has had well over a million. Hollywood is smaller than America (obviously), but not a million times smaller.

Start impressing us all with gun safety, and we will get back to you.
 
Walt said:
I think it is safe to say that American gun owners have nothing to be proud of on the safety front. Half of all guns go missing almost immediately. The number of gun deaths are surpassing car deaths.
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That's another of your lies. Car deaths are still far more numerous than gun deaths. And don't forget half of gun deaths are suicides and should not count as anything.
 
Concart said:
New Mexico's involuntary manslaughter statute requires only ordinary criminal negligence if a firearm is involved. Baldwin probably has some defense for two of those three elements. I think it'll be tough to get that conviction, but I don't think they are overcharging. My best layman's guess..... they are going to argue that Baldwin didn't know he was holding a firearm. Which is going to be one of those 'define a firearm' kinds of things. When does something go from a prop to an actual firearm. Probably interesting from an academic standpoint. No matter what he will get a short sentence at most.
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If found guilty why should he not get the max?
 
Text Drivers are Killers said:
BUT HUTCHINS WAS NOT AN ACTRESS IN THE MOVIE. She was the cinematographer and there was no reason for baldy to point a gun at her and pull the trigger.
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Baldwin did not point the gun at Hutchins. Under Hutchins direction, he pointed the gun at the camera. Hutchins was behind the camera. She lined up the shot, in both senses of the word shot. She lined up herself looking through the camera at the gun pointed at the camera, and lined up the gun pointed at the camera, and beyond that at her. The reasons were artistically sound, and were her's not Baldwin's.

Mind you these sorts of shots have been taken millions of times without incident. Something went very wrong on this set, but you are going to have a tough time blaming an actor for that. Actors are not making these decisions.
 
guno said:
The actor and armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed each face two counts of involuntary manslaughter.
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So an obvious point, only one person died. You cannot face two counts of involuntary manslaughter, with only one manslaughter. Either the reporter made a mistake, or one count will be dismissed immediately.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Bagman under the way the federal regulation on background checks works, is considered an adjudicated drug addict by virtue of being dismissed from naval service for drug use, and then his on subsequent admissions to continued use along with having gone to rehab. He's in the exact same status as a man from Rhode Island that was just arrested and had his 200 gun collection confiscated for the exact same thing. The only thing keeping Bagman out of prison is his daddy is President. That's it.
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Interesting. So, all things considered, someone who said they smoked a few joints 30 years ago can have his guns confiscated? That's ludicrous!
 
Text Drivers are Killers said:
That's another of your lies. Car deaths are still far more numerous than gun deaths.
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45,222 people died in 2022 from gun deaths, and 38,824 people died in car crashes. The fact is cars keep getting safer, and guns keep getting more dangerous.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state-by-state

Text Drivers are Killers said:
And don't forget half of gun deaths are suicides and should not count as anything.
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We count both suicides by gun, and suicides by car. You can whine about how unfair it is, but maybe you should try to reduce the gun deaths like we have reduced the car deaths.

By the way, I have seen plenty of movie shots of cars driving straight at the camera.
 
Walt said:
They might be able to find evidence of that, but somehow I doubt it. First, she had decades of experience, so on paper was experienced. More importantly, he was an executive producer, meaning he had no direct control over hiring, like the producer, director, or casting director.
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My dad was a mechanic. I'm not. This was her first job as an armorer.

There might be some evidence he had unusual control, and insight, given his position, but it certainly has not been made public yet. Chances are the case against Baldwin is going nowhere.
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‘Rust’ crew describes on-set gun safety issues and misfires days before fatal shooting


He was not producer... No more than a lieutenant colonel is a lieutenant. An executive producers job is to make a deal happen, not to take care of day-to-day decisions on how to make a film. It would not be considered unusual for an executive director to never visit a set, and to have no decisions at all about the actual film.
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Baldwin certainly had sayso over day to day operations on the set.

Sometimes people are involved with decisions that their title does not imply, so they still might get Baldwin. It is not an easy case.
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Biden has culpability for what happened.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Bagman under the way the federal regulation on background checks works, is considered an adjudicated drug addict by virtue of being dismissed from naval service for drug use, and then his on subsequent admissions to continued use along with having gone to rehab. He's in the exact same status as a man from Rhode Island that was just arrested and had his 200 gun collection confiscated for the exact same thing. The only thing keeping Bagman out of prison is his daddy is President. That's it.
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Yeah he bought a 38 revolver but later was holding an semi automatic pistol while naked (I guess he doesn't CC) with a prostitute using crack cocaine.
 
Walt said:
Baldwin did not point the gun at Hutchins. Under Hutchins direction, he pointed the gun at the camera. Hutchins was behind the camera. She lined up the shot, in both senses of the word shot. She lined up herself looking through the camera at the gun pointed at the camera, and lined up the gun pointed at the camera, and beyond that at her. The reasons were artistically sound, and were her's not Baldwin's.
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HAHAHA. Hear that everybody?. This moron is now admitting baldwin shot hutchins but claims he didn't point the gun at her!!!
 
anonymoose said:
Somebody is. Who is?
An innocent person died because of negligence.

I think they got it right. The armorer and the guy with the gun in his hand while it went off , who says he didn’t pull the trigger.
Doesn’t help that he takes no responsibility for this tragedy.
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He is an actor. Not his responsibility to stop and check every gun when the cameras begin to roll. Especially since an employee is there with that specific job. I just don't see it.
 
anonymoose said:
I just told my wife that I wouldn’t point a real unloaded gun at her or anyone else and pull the trigger even after I had just checked it.
FFS, it’s common sense.
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That's true but when actors are shooting a movie, do they stop and check the gun each time before they fire? I don't recall seeing Bruce Willis checking his gun during the Die Hards.
 
Walt said:
Baldwin did not point the gun at Hutchins. Under Hutchins direction, he pointed the gun at the camera. Hutchins was behind the camera. She lined up the shot, in both senses of the word shot. She lined up herself looking through the camera at the gun pointed at the camera, and lined up the gun pointed at the camera, and beyond that at her. The reasons were artistically sound, and were her's not Baldwin's.

Mind you these sorts of shots have been taken millions of times without incident. Something went very wrong on this set, but you are going to have a tough time blaming an actor for that. Actors are not making these decisions.
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Walt! Are you trying to say it was as much Hutchin's fault as Baldwin's? Are you insane!

There is no way I'd fire (what I know and even put in the gun myself) a blank in the direction of another individual. That is extremely unsafe.
Blanks contain powder (powder burns) and a paper wad (projectile), and some even are topped with a glue. But then, I'm not as stupid as Baldwin.
 
The family is looking for someone to blame and this is the result. The problem is, it won't bring her back. This just wreaks more havoc in lives already torn apart by the tragedy.
 
Pointgold said:
The family is looking for someone to blame and this is the result. The problem is, it won't bring her back. This just wreaks more havoc in lives already torn apart by the tragedy.
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I pretty sure Baldwin and the family have already reached a settlement. The law says that people that recklessly cause the death of another shall be held accountable. The law is speaking for Halyna Hutchins.
 
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