Alec Baldwin to be charged with involuntary manslaughter in 'Rust' movie set shooting

[ExpressLane]

Then the armorer is liable, not Baldwin. He is an actor, not a props checker.

I'm not crazy about Baldwin's political views but I don't think he should be charged and do time for something he isn't responsible for.

Baldwin hired her. This was her first job as an armorer. It is Baldwin's fault that he hired an unqualified armorer.

If you hired a 16 year old to drive a cement truck and he killed people would you be blameless?

 

[anonymoose]

A settlement has already been reached, is my understanding.

What does this accomplish besides cheapening her death? It will not bring her back.

FFS, once again this is seperate from a civil settlement. Absolutely nothing to do with the family, revenge, hate, whatever.
The NM DA did an investigation and apparently decided there was criminal negligence.
If what ExpressLane says is true, that cast and or crew were previously using the gun for target practice, my god, how irresponsible was that? Live ammo should never have had any place on the set.
And since there was live ammo being played with, common sense says anyone handling that weapon should have had the sense to check, double check and triple check that weapon before using it.
I remember from way back the legal term was something like 'what would be expected of a reasonable person' in that situation.
And after cast and or crew playing with a deadly weapon as if were a toy I would expect any reasonable person to check, double check and even triple check that weapon.

Anyways, we can agree to disagree.
At least you don't accuse me of being a rayciss or nazi because we disagree on something like the you-know-whos do.

 

[volsrock]

Yes, but this accomplishes nothing. It was not deliberate. And it will never bring her back. I wouldn't do it.

Nether is a DUI crash that kills...but the DUI driver is still going to jail

 

[anonymoose]

Let is repeat, you have no fucking clue as to the details in this case. Had it been a right wing actor instead, we would be hearing just how innocent he is.

We'll never really know until it actually happens, now will we?
So you think I hate the armorer too? Who is he/she? I'll let you know if I do.

 

[anonymoose]

We’ll see what a jury has to say.

And that's it! A jury will hear all the facts. Good chance they won't make a decision based on Alec's politics.
It didn't happen with Rittenhouse. No way that jury was 100% republican.

 

[Earl]

Halyna Hutchins was 42.

She could reasonably be expected to live nearly 40 more years.

If I were the judge and he is found guilty and 40 years were available for sentencing, I would give him 40 years, no chance for parole.

 

[Bigdog]

What took so long?
That was obvious from Day One.

White (lib) privilege is the bestest kind of privilege.

 

[anonymoose]

Had it been a right wing actor instead, we would be hearing just how innocent he is.

White (lib) privilege is the bestest kind of privilege.

Good point, BD.
I could easily have said, " Had it been a right wing actor instead, he would have been prosecuted long ago."

 

[Bigdog]

Halyna Hutchins was 42.

She could reasonably be expected to live nearly 40 more years.

If I were the judge and he is found guilty and 40 years were available for sentencing, I would give him 40 years, no chance for parole.

Baldwin, like so many hollywood libs, has made a fortune off of glorifying gun violence.

 

[ExpressLane]

Let is repeat, you have no fucking clue as to the details in this case. Had it been a right wing actor instead, we would be hearing just how innocent he is.

And you have ZERO proof of that.

 

[ExpressLane]

Baldwin, like so many hollywood libs, has made a fortune off of glorifying gun violence.

TRUTH!

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Halyna Hutchins was 42.

She could reasonably be expected to live nearly 40 more years.

If I were the judge and he is found guilty and 40 years were available for sentencing, I would give him 40 years, no chance for parole.

You are one harsh judge. Last I heard it was "involuntary manslaughter". I would find it hard to believe that one could get 40 years without chance of parole. Unless he loaded the prop himself and stupidly kept a box of real bullets around. But that isn't what happened.

Yeah, he should get hit with involuntary manslaughter if he was in any way associated with the production of the film but it would be hard to really slam him for what is clearly a mistake more accurately put in the hands of the person who loaded the prop (the armourer).

 

[Phantasmal]

You are one harsh judge. Last I heard it was "involuntary manslaughter". I would find it hard to believe that one could get 40 years without chance of parole. Unless he loaded the prop himself and stupidly kept a box of real bullets around. But that isn't what happened.

Yeah, he should get hit with involuntary manslaughter if he was in any way associated with the production of the film but it would be hard to really slam him for what is clearly a mistake more accurately put in the hands of the person who loaded the prop (the armourer).

Especially, when he was told the gun was cold.

 

[Walt]

My dad was a mechanic. I'm not. This was her first job as an armorer.

This was the second film Gutierrez-Reed had been the lead armorer on; The Old Way was the first film she was a lead armorer on. Before The Old Way, she had been an armorer on dozens of movies under her father. On paper she was fully qualified.

There is no official process to becoming an armorer. One learns it on the job. It is hard work, but it seems like it would be easy. I believe she thought it was easy, and got lazy.

‘Rust’ crew describes on-set gun safety issues and misfires days before fatal shooting

There had been misfirings on The Old Way too, which caused Nicholas Cage to walk off the set for several days. It is fair to say Gutierrez-Reed was terrible at her job, and was only able to get top dollar because of her father's reputation.

https://www.thewrap.com/rust-armorer-inexperience-hannah-gutierrez-fired-nicolas-cage-film/

Baldwin certainly had sayso over day to day operations on the set.

Baldwin could have threatened to quit, and maybe that would have done something. Cage threatened to quit, but was forced back by his contract. A similar thing would have happened to Baldwin.

But other than threatening to break his contract, there is no reason to believe Baldwin had any say so over day-to-day operations on the set. There is a good reason for that. Different team members take care of their part of the teamwork, so that others do not have to. It was Baldwins job to first get movie green lit (executive producer) and then to act in it (actor). It was other people's jobs to setup shots, hire people, keep the guns safe, etc. Baldwin is not making the coffee.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

My dear, you weren't there, you have no idea of what actually happened. All we hear is your big fucking ignorant mouth.

The arms master on the set loaded the firearm for the shoot. It was handed to an assistant director who didn't bother to check the status of the firearm and assumed it was a 'cold gun' that is not loaded with any sort of live ammunition. The assistant director handed it to Baldwin and told him it was a 'cold gun.' Baldwin didn't bother to check the status of the gun either.

Checking would be as simple for a firearm loaded with simulated rounds (to look loaded when pointed at the camera close up) as opening the cylinder and looking to see that the rounds lacked primers. Baldwin failed to do that.

Here in Arizona there are numerous cowboy reenactor groups. Over the years there have been several instances of accidental discharges. They all have an established practice now of each and every person that handles the weapon checking it before use. No one assumes the gun is unloaded, loaded with blanks, or anything else. The Rust movie set people were sloppy and Balwin is one of those who was utterly sloppy handling a firearm.

 

[anonymoose]

There had been misfirings on The Old Way too, which caused Nicholas Cage to walk off the set for several days.

https://www.thewrap.com/rust-armorer-inexperience-hannah-gutierrez-fired-nicolas-cage-film/



Baldwin could have threatened to quit, and maybe that would have done something.

Once again, 'what would a reasonable person do?' Cage showed common sense. None was shown by anyone other than crew members threatening to quit.

 

[volsrock]

Especially, when he was told the gun was cold.

If someone tells u a hand grenade is fake....turns out it's real u pull the pin and throw it on a playground killing a kid...should u be charged...and just say whoops sorry and walk free

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Interesting. So, all things considered, someone who said they smoked a few joints 30 years ago can have his guns confiscated? That's ludicrous!

The guy in RI had a history of meth use. Really no different from Bagman.

A Rhode Island man with an arsenal of more than 200 firearms and thousands of rounds of ammunition has been arrested on gun charges, federal prosecutors said Friday.

Andruchuk, who had been arrested in 2018 on drug charges, was found wearing a bulletproof vest and carrying four firearms and methamphetamine.
https://apnews.com/article/arrests-rhode-island-24b1ff37c18469b513d556052e7670f9

2018...

Bagman was tossed out of the US Navy for drug use (adjudicated a drug addict in legal terms) in 2014. Same thing.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

He is an actor. Not his responsibility to stop and check every gun when the cameras begin to roll. Especially since an employee is there with that specific job. I just don't see it.

It is his responsibility to check that what he's told is true and accurate about a deadly weapon before he uses it. You never rely on anyone else to tell you the condition of a firearm you are going to hold and use. If I get handed a firearm, I immediately check to see if it's loaded, and put it in a safe condition. I don't point it at anyone regardless. It's obvious you have little or no experience with firearms.

 

[volsrock]

Especially, when he was told the gun was cold.

Do u want someone charged that fucks up and leave a gun out and a 5 year old gets it and kills someone?