Tesla Model 3 named winner in KBB’s 5-Year Cost to Own Awards 2022. MAGA wets panties

[ExpressLane]

That's not surprising that an auto mechanic can diagnose issues with an ICE vehicle.

But if you worked at an actual garage you'd still have a lot more advanced equipment and computerized materials you don't have at your trailer.

As for "maintenance", well I can tell you that it IS much less expensive. I've had my Chevy Bolt for about 3 years now and only have to go to the shop once every few months to have the tires checked and the windshield wiper fluid topped off. No oil changes necessary.

And, I can't stress this enough, I haven't bought gas for about 3 years now. I drive FOR FREE (I have solar on my house).

So at the end of the day I'm still coming out ahead. No fuel costs, very little maintenance cost and a good experience overall.

So your solar batteries which are built using Chinese slave labor are powering your car who's batteries are built with materials mined by Chinese slave labor and Congolese child laborers as young as 6 years old. Were you batteries free?? Because the people that built them aren't. You aren't driving for free . Your solar batteries cost you thousands so you aren't likely driving for free.
China uses Uyghur forced labor to make solar panels, says report

 

[ExpressLane]

I have high hopes sometimes.

Your hopes for the Cowboys vs Eagles were fulfilled. Now hope the Eagles lose out and the Cowboys win out.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

That's not surprising that an auto mechanic can diagnose issues with an ICE vehicle.

But if you worked at an actual garage you'd still have a lot more advanced equipment and computerized materials you don't have at your trailer.

As for "maintenance", well I can tell you that it IS much less expensive. I've had my Chevy Bolt for about 3 years now and only have to go to the shop once every few months to have the tires checked and the windshield wiper fluid topped off. No oil changes necessary.

And, I can't stress this enough, I haven't bought gas for about 3 years now. I drive FOR FREE (I have solar on my house).

So at the end of the day I'm still coming out ahead. No fuel costs, very little maintenance cost and a good experience overall.

Solar on your house isn't "free." Those panels didn't sprout up on your roof after a rain. You paid some contractor to put them there and for all intents paid for 20 + years of electricity in buying them.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Joe Crapitalist feels "superior" while driving a car that uses Chinese slave labor and child labor to build the batteries that store energy that 61% comes from fossil fuels. It is madness and I am trying to stop it for you.

I like the Teslas as well. The manager at the Dairy Queen I visit, has one. He even has one of those official Tesla chargers set up at the back of the Dairy Queen.

They are just not affordable for me.

I gave my Grand Daughter my used Infinity G34 that I dearly enjoyed, and now driving a 2005 KIA- that I just inherited from my Mother. It looks brand new and only has 58,000 miles on it. But, my Grand Daughter drives between Rockwall and Commerce Texas every day to go to school, so I wanted her to be safe out there on the road.

I may not ever have to buy another car as long as I live. But, cars are no big deal to me anymore.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

So your solar batteries which are built using Chinese slave labor are powering your car who's batteries are built with materials mined by Chinese slave labor and Congolese child laborers as young as 6 years old. Were you batteries free?? Because the people that built them aren't. You aren't driving for free . Your solar batteries cost you thousands so you aren't likely driving for free.
China uses Uyghur forced labor to make solar panels, says report

It's unlikely he has batteries associated with his home solar installation. Those generally make it unprofitable to install home solar. Yea, Tesla offers a package on that but it isn't worth it. Putting the panels on your roof usually means you just paid for 18 to 22 years of electrical power to some contractor to stick them up there. Home solar sucks as a production means and doesn't do crap for the general grid. It takes like a quarter million houses sending a few KW each back to the grid to match even a relatively small natural gas power plant.
It's just another meaningless, feel good, gesture by radical Leftist greentards to allow them to indulge in their pseudo-scientific beliefs...

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Solar on your house isn't "free."

Well, I also haven't paid an electricity bill in years. So all told it is paying for itself. But you wouldn't understand...you LIKE paying for electricity and gasoline.

Those panels didn't sprout up on your roof after a rain.

Oh, I'm sorry, are you too stupid to get a good job to afford a house and improvements on it? Got it.

Loser.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Your hopes for the Cowboys vs Eagles were fulfilled. Now hope the Eagles lose out and the Cowboys win out.

I actually think the Cowboys and Eagles will have to play in the NFC conference title game. I'm starting to thinking all of the NFC Eastern division teams will be in the playoffs together for the first time in NFL history.

San Francisco and Minnesota may have something to say in the playoffs, but we'll just have to see!

San Francisco is the only team we have not already played and won this year- that will be in the NFC playoff picture!

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Well, I also haven't paid an electricity bill in years. So all told it is paying for itself. But you wouldn't understand...you LIKE paying for electricity and gasoline.



Oh, I'm sorry, are you too stupid to get a good job to afford a house and improvements on it? Got it.

Loser.

Actually, I have a quite expensive home (6 Br, 3 bath). I'm one of the guys you'd contract with to put the panels on your roof--unless you really do like grossly overpaying a large contractor to stick them up there (which is almost certainly the case).

I prefer what works. Better insulation and appliance performance beats solar like a dead horse. It's far cheaper and the ROI is near immediate unlike useless solar panels.

Solar is THE worst way to make electricity there is. It is the least efficient, most costly, and basically stupidest thing you can choose. That's likely why radical Leftists who are scientific and engineering illiterates like YOU want it so badly. The Left always fucks everything they touch up. They have the Crapper Touch.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Actually, I have a quite expensive home (6 Br, 3 bath).

I'm sorry, T.A., but even I know they don't make trailers (even double wides) that large. LOL. Nice try, though. LOLOLOL.

I'm one of the guys you'd contract with to put the panels on your roof

I doubt that. I'd probably vet my contractors a bit better than that. You wouldn't make the cut.

--unless you really do like grossly overpaying a large contractor to stick them up there (which is almost certainly the case).

Cheap work won't get you outta the trailer park, bub.

I prefer what works. Better insulation and appliance performance beats solar like a dead horse. It's far cheaper and the ROI is near immediate unlike useless solar panels.

LOLOLOL. Sure, sure, sure.

Solar is THE worst way to make electricity there is.

You're an idiot. You're a contractor who installs stuff for people. I studied geochemistry. I know more about coal and oil than you do about...well, anything. LOL.

It is the least efficient, most costly, and basically stupidest thing you can choose. That's likely why radical Leftists who are scientific and engineering illiterates like YOU want it so badly. The Left always fucks everything they touch up. They have the Crapper Touch.

LOL. A "contractor" who thinks he's also an engineer/scientist. Now I've heard everything.

Go back to the trailer, loser. We all know what you are.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

So your solar batteries which are built using Chinese slave labor

Wait...yup...you are typing this on a computer so you are just as guilty. Got it. Hypocrite.


LOVE IT!

 

[RB 60]

Your hopes for the Cowboys vs Eagles were fulfilled. Now hope the Eagles lose out and the Cowboys win out.

I don't think the Eagles or their fans are too concerned...

 

[Into the Night]

Government didn't force the Internet on consumers. They recognized the value of it and bought in willingly to something useful on their own.

Quite right. The internet is also not a vehicle. It's like saying because people use screws and bolts, everyone will accept the EV. It's a false equivalence fallacy.

EV's aren't very useful, and most people don't want one. The only way they are making inroads into the market--AS I HAVE PROVEN--is by government forcing them down people's throats.

Again, exactly right. 70% of EV usage is in nations that are tyrannical and the government is forcing the use of these cars. Despite this, less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.

Like wind and solar that don't work, EV's are another greentard idea of the radical Left that doesn't do what they claim it should.

Exactly right. The EV religion is based on the Church of Global Warming and the Church of Green. All of these are fundamentalist style religions. They set aside theories of science, mathematics, and sound engineering. Only the religion counts.

The reason greentards want EV's is to reduce CO2 in the atmosphere. My bet? If 100% of all motor vehicles became zero CO2 emission types it would have no discernible impact on worldwide CO2 in the atmosphere.

Rather irrelevant, since no gas or vapor (including CO2) has the capability to warm the Earth. It is not possible to create energy out of nothing. This just comes back to the way the Church of Global Warming denies and discards the 1st law of thermodynamics.
E(t+1) = E(t) - U, where 'E' is energy, 't' is time, and 'U' is work. Since no gas or vapor is work, E(t+1) must equal E(t).

Then, just like the CFC ban and the hole in the ozone layer that the same sort of greentards are telling us we have to go zero emissions on vehicles, they will be proven dead flat wrong and what will follow will be silence while they figure out a new scam to fuck society over with on the environment.

Again, exactly right. The Church of the Ozone Hole stems from the Church of Green. The Church of Covid, the Church of the EV, the Church of Global Warming, and the Church of the Ozone Hole ALL stem from the Church of Karl Marx. ALL are fundamentalist style religions. ALL are designed to implement tyranny.

 

[Into the Night]

They can force us to always carry our tracking and monitoring device....AKA our phones.

The chinese are proving that.

Nope. Open source phones are already starting to become available. No one is forced to carry a phone.

 

[Into the Night]

They program improvements into your car.

Nope. They force required 'service intervals'. If you don't go pay the dealer for that service (your tax) for using the vehicle, it starts shutting down the use of your vehicle.

 

[ExpressLane]

I like the Teslas as well. The manager at the Dairy Queen I visit, has one. He even has one of those official Tesla chargers set up at the back of the Dairy Queen.

They are just not affordable for me.

I gave my Grand Daughter my used Infinity G34 that I dearly enjoyed, and now driving a 2005 KIA- that I just inherited from my Mother. It looks brand new and only has 58,000 miles on it. But, my Grand Daughter drives between Rockwall and Commerce Texas every day to go to school, so I wanted her to be safe out there on the road.

I may not ever have to buy another car as long as I live. But, cars are no big deal to me anymore.

You are good grandpaw. Just make sure you check it out every once and a while because girls/kids don't know how to maintain cars.

Don't get me wrong EVs have there place. But I think the should slowly be phased in as sources for cleanly obtained and ethically sourced materials to make them become available. At present the techniques used to mine the lithium and the cobalt used in EVs abuses those that mine them and the environment is suffering damage. If we are going to EVs ,and I believe we are, we should mine our materials CLEANLY in the US if possible. And our EV production should not exceed our ability to cleanly and ethically supply the minerals needed to make them.

 

[Into the Night]

Evs are improving fast. The future for America looks much better. They are already far better than ICEs.

Nope. They take hours to recharge. The handle poorly in inclement weather (especially icing conditions). They are EXPENSIVE! They can only be fixed by the dealer or specialized shops designated by the dealer. They require vast amounts of non-renewable materials to manufacture, strip mining, and child labor, and large amounts of fuel to ship materials and products around just to manufacture the battery pack for ONE CAR. They are a fire hazard, with fires starting while the car is parked just from a bit of corrosion. In a Tesla, such a fire can and HAS locked people in the car DURING THE FIRE since you can't open the doors without the computer (which has crashed). Replacing the battery packs at the end of their life span or after damage (that didn't result in a fire) is EXPENSIVE! They are heavy, and generally can't tow anything. If they can tow, load limits are extremely limited. They can't run all day without having to charge them several times (taking hours). As battery packs age, range is reduced even further. The grid can't handle large numbers of EVs. People without a garage have no place to charge their EV at home.

I'll keep my ICE vehicles. They can run all day using a simple fueling procedure that takes only minutes and is very portable. They can tow large loads with no problem. Maintenance can be done yourself or by numerous shops. You don't need to mess with the dealer much, if at all. ICE engines from the 1940s are STILL RUNNING TODAY. They are very light, allowing use in aircraft. They can go cross country and off road with little difficulty. Corrosion doesn't cause fires. Replacing an engine is a LOT CHEAPER than replacing a battery pack in an EV. They don't need a power grid at all to function. Indeed, an internal combustion engine is what it takes to black start a grid, should it ever collapse.

 

[ExpressLane]

I don't think the Eagles or their fans are too concerned...

Probably not but they did turn the ball over 4 times in the game. I'd be a little worried about that

 

[ExpressLane]

Wait...yup...you are typing this on a computer so you are just as guilty. Got it. Hypocrite.


LOVE IT!

My computer was built in Taiwan DickHead.

 

[Into the Night]

Government is driving the shift to EV's. It isn't market driven in the least.

Is the government forcing car manufacturers to make EVs? No.

Yes. Government is forcing car manufacturers to make EVs.

They're making EVs because they're better cars than ICE cars. Easier to manufacture, easier to maintain, cheaper to run.

WRONG. EV's requires the use of large amounts of non-renewable materials, strip mining, child labor, and shipping materials around the world JUST TO MAKE THE BATTERIES. They are more expensive to run, since they take hours to recharge and require dealerships or specialized shops designated by dealerships to maintain. In a Tesla, service intervals are enforced by the computer, whether service is needed or not, requiring expensive dealer servicing (the dealer tax) just to use the car. They are EXPENSIVE cars to buy. They are EXPENSIVE cars to maintain.

Less than 1% of cars on the road are EVs. Your 'surge of EV sales worldwide' is nothing more than a special pleading fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

You haven't proven shit, boy. You posted a few articles. Correlation doesn't prove causation, boy.

Paradox. Which is it, dude? You cannot support religions like the Church of Global Warming and then say correlation doesn't prove causation.