Hiroshima was nuked, 6 August 1945

[Mott the Hoople]

They could have just surrounded the island nation with ships and just use conventional bombing without a land invasion?!! No goods or material could get into Japan, it would be just a matter of time before they would surrender?!! The atomic bombs were over kill?!!

Considering more persons died during the conventional bombing of Tokyo than at Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. Add to that a Naval Blockade would have insured massive numbers of death through starvation how would that have been anymore inhumane.

Ultimately it boils down to, as John Locke said, no one can govern without the consent of the governed.

It’s truly horrible what happened to the Japanese but it far less than the atrocities they committed against their fellow man. The fact that the Japanese people consented to this degenerate and corrupted form of Bushido made them responsible parties.

As such it required sanctions of the harshest kind to end the atrocities of conquest, murder and destruction that the barbaric Japanese Empire laid upon the feet of the world.

Given the staggering scale and scope of the crimes against humanity that the Japanese were blatantly and unapologetically guilty of they got off, by the end of the war, far, far easier than their victims did.

Had the Japanese people stood up against the degenerate corruption of Bushido by their ruling class of their nation, non of the calamity that fell upon them in righteous retribution would have never had happened and their over ten million victims wouldn’t of been killed.

Truman without equivocation made the absolute right decision and by ending one of the most cruelest and barbaric regimes in the harshest and fastest means possible saved an untold number of loves and lifted the chains of cruel tyranny by the Japanese Empires Fascism from the shoulders of untold millions the Japanese Empire eventually would have murdered had not we righteously brought it to an end.

I do not hold or harbor ill will towards the Japanese people today. I don’t feel it’s right or fair to blame the son for the sins of the father and long ago the Japanese people have rejected war and have stood by that and rejoined the brotherhood of man and for that I am glad and think kindly upon them.

That doesn’t erase the past though and the verdict of history is that the fascist Japanese Empire was one of the vilest in all of human history that deserved and received utter destruction.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Wasted bombs that should have been used on the future red states instead.

Now that our former ally the Soviet Union is gone, we should use them on the new fascist Russia as well.

Problem with that is M.A.D. still exists. I, for one, don't wish to be irradiated just to prove a point that really only matters to a global minority population.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Let's get real.

Using the A Bomb on Japan was a waring shot to the burgeoning Soviet Union under Stalin. Period.

That the Japanese stupidly kept following their "emperor" sealed their own fate.

But, had the USA not tried to control the trade waters in the regions, all this crap wouldn't have gone the way it had.

And the band played on.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I think nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki was immoral and a crime against nature. But I also think it played a role in Japan accepting it had been utterly defeated and forcing them to submit to an unconditional surrender and a military occupation.

Should the US have just firebombed and burned them to the ground instead? The USAAF raids on Tokyo caused more death and destruction than either nuclear weapon did with nothing but conventional explosives and incendiaries used, as but one example.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I think killing civilians, and especially children is contrary to every moral law I believe in.

But all of war is immoral when you get down to it.

But like I said, we had to force Japan to surrender unconditionally, and submit to a military occupation, because we needed to totally dismantle their militaristic government and suppress the shogunate tenancy towards militarism.
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And it's possible the only way we were going to achieve that goal was to make them feel they were utterly defeated and on the verge of annihilation.
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I’ll take that a step further. The Japanese Empire didn’t need to feel utterly defeated they had to defacto utterly defeated and were. They were really damned lucky they were defeated by the U.S.A. who understood the Clauswitzian doctrine that the goal of any war should be for a greater peace. It’s a principle we have fallen down in the intervening year but this understanding about the defeat of fascist Europe and Japan has created an amazing period of peace and stability around the world.

No child should die in a war but the hard cold truth was the Japanese Empire had no such problem doing exactly that.

I think the passage of time has softened views to unrealistic apologistics that’s never applied to NAZI Germany and I don’t think that is right or just. Their crimes were just as vast and horrific as the NAZI’s and that should always be in context on this topic.

 

[Grokmaster]

You can't pin the crimes of the Japanese army on the
civilian women and children residents of Hiroshima

WHAT THE FUCK FANTASYLAND DO YOU LIVE IN? DO YOU THINK CIVILIANS WERE SPARED ANYWHERE BY THE JAPANESE?

IT WAS TOTAL WAR ,AND WE ENDED IT.

AND MORE JAPANESE CIVILIANS WOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED ,BY FAR, IF THERE WAS A LAND INVASION.


WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH LEFTISTS...?

 

[goat]

Should the US have just firebombed and burned them to the ground instead? The USAAF raids on Tokyo caused more death and destruction than either nuclear weapon did with nothing but conventional explosives and incendiaries used, as but one example.

Proving there was no need for nukes. The US couldn't wait to try out their new toy on nonwhites.

 

[goat]

Between 1946 and 1958 the U.S. nuclear testing program drenched the Marshall Islands with firepower equaling the energy yield of 7,000 Hiroshima bombs. Is there any doubt that nonwhites are nothing more than guinea pigs for anglosphere experimentation?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There will never be a nuclear war between superpowers. Mutual destruction. All wars now are either cyber or economic. Like the sanctions. Russia or China will never try to nuke us. They'd be signing their own death warrants.

I wouldn't say never, but agree the odds are highly against it for the reasons you mentioned. More likely are two smaller states nuking each other's capitols.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Japan was trying to surrender but the US had a new toy they wanted to show off to the Soviets. The US is the most immoral empire in world history. Japanese fascists were building schools and factories all over Asia so the US decided they had to conform to western rule. Japan was nuked because they are nonwhite. It's as simple as the color of their skin. German nazis were recruited to work for the Anglosphere.

Proving there was no need for nukes. The US couldn't wait to try out their new toy on nonwhites.

Between 1946 and 1958 the U.S. nuclear testing program drenched the Marshall Islands with firepower equaling the energy yield of 7,000 Hiroshima bombs. Is there any doubt that nonwhites are nothing more than guinea pigs for anglosphere experimentation?

Coupled with your 9/11 Truther beliefs, I can see why you believe that's true.

 

[goat]

Coupled with your 9/11 Truther beliefs, I can see why you believe that's true.

Why did the US use the people of the Marshall Islands as guinea pigs? Was it something to do with melanin?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Why did the US use the people of the Marshall Islands as guinea pigs? Was it something to do with melanin?

They didn't anymore than the US used John Wayne and those making the movie "The Barbarian" were guinea pigs. Now tell me who GW pushed the detonators on the WTCs on 9/11. LOL

 

[goat]

They didn't anymore than the US used John Wayne and those making the movie "The Barbarian" were guinea pigs. Now tell me who GW pushed the detonators on the WTCs on 9/11. LOL

Before the US arrival, the Marshall Islands were known for their blue lagoons. Our psychotic government decided to end paradise.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

True. The Russian people are receiving zero benefit from this war. I hear they're losing a lot of Generals.

Agreed on both points. Re Generals; some are being fragged. LOL

Please donate to the JPP "Shoot Russian Generals for Jesus" fund. TIA

 

[Monad Portal]

Agreed on both points. Re Generals; some are being fragged. LOL

Please donate to the JPP "Shoot Russian Generals for Jesus" fund. TIA

neither are the american people.

your deep state war to protect ukraine corruption and illegal biolabs helps us little.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

neither are the american people.

your deep state war to protect ukraine corruption and illegal biolabs helps us little.

Us? As in Trumpian cocksuckers and Putin lovers?

 

[martin]

They could have just surrounded the island nation with ships and just use conventional bombing without a land invasion?!! No goods or material could get into Japan, it would be just a matter of time before they would surrender?!! The atomic bombs were over kill?!!

The bombs were a blessing in disguise. They became an object lesson on the horror of nuclear war. Without them we would never have known in real terms what it is and can be like. There would have remained that inevitable human curiosity to find out. It's likely Nagasaki and especially Hiroshima are the reason nuclear warfare has never happened since.

 

[Cypress]

Should the US have just firebombed and burned them to the ground instead? The USAAF raids on Tokyo caused more death and destruction than either nuclear weapon did with nothing but conventional explosives and incendiaries used, as but one example.

If you read what I wrote, I stated that while the bombing was immoral and cruel, the argument can be made that it was the only way, short of a full blown land invasion, to make Japan submit unconditionally to a US military occupation.

 

[Monad Portal]

Us? As in Trumpian cocksuckers and Putin lovers?

its clear i'm referring to the american people.

do you even aspire to read better or are you happy being dumb?

 

[Cypress]

I’ll take that a step further. The Japanese Empire didn’t need to feel utterly defeated they had to defacto utterly defeated and were. They were really damned lucky they were defeated by the U.S.A. who understood the Clauswitzian doctrine that the goal of any war should be for a greater peace. It’s a principle we have fallen down in the intervening year but this understanding about the defeat of fascist Europe and Japan has created an amazing period of peace and stability around the world.

No child should die in a war but the hard cold truth was the Japanese Empire had no such problem doing exactly that.

I think the passage of time has softened views to unrealistic apologistics that’s never applied to NAZI Germany and I don’t think that is right or just. Their crimes were just as vast and horrific as the NAZI’s and that should always be in context on this topic.

That's why I have stated that Japan needed to be occupied by our military, their government and institutions forcibly dismantled, and a pacifist democratic government forced upon them.

Japan was an aggressor state which could not be allowed to survive in it's current form.

We are actually fortunate that FDR and Truman were committed to playing for all the marbles. There were plenty of American politicians, particularly those with isolationist tendencies, who would have been happy to offer Japan terms as long as they stood down their army and withdrew from occupied lands.