Hiroshima was nuked, 6 August 1945

Cypress said:
What Putin is doing is irrational, and has no economic benefit for Russia. He is driven by a warped vision of a type of Russian nationalism rooted in 18th and 19th century tsarist Russia

The best outcome here is that Putin fails at his objective of conquering Ukraine, thus serving as a cautionary tale for future tyrants contemplating attacking their neighbors
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The Russians need to remove him and their troops from Ukraine.
 
Cypress said:
There's no concrete evidence the Japanese were on the verge of surrendering. The battle of Okinawa was right near the end of the war, and they fought to the death.

They still had five million men under arms in August 1945.

Moreover, we weren't interested in a conventional surrender. One where terms are offered and their army stands down.

We wanted them to submit. Unconditionally. We were not going to allow the Japanese government or it's institutions to survive.

We were going to force them to submit to a US military occupation, and we were going to dismantle their government and institutions, throw them in the trash, and force them adopt a pacifist democracy which is only legally eligible to have a small self defense force.
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It's human nature to show off your new toys. The US has always been indifferent to collateral damage. Our drones kill more than 90% civilians.
 
BartenderElite said:
The ends don't justify the means, and civilians should NEVER be targeted. Ever.

This was an atrocity.
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It was an atrocity. No doubt about it. The civilians could have always overthrown the tryanical government. That's how America was formed. I'm just saying the civilians are not 100% innocent if they supported their imperial type agenda.
 
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goat said:
You Googled that, amirite. In the real world Japan was desperately trying to surrender but the US had a new toy they wanted to show off to the world. No matter what you think of Japanese yellow fascists, they were building schools and factories all over Asia. The US calls that spreading democracy. We have to bomb them into compliance.
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Wrong, nonsense. Like Hillary's pizza basement.
 
Shoresy said:
It is the right and duty for all free men who are able to extrajudicially execute registered democrats anywhere in the world at any time. The only good leftist is a dead leftist.
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Ooooh.. internet tough guy! Me so scared :)

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Dutch Uncle said:
Times change but not every country does. Despite all the noises coming from China they know they aren't going to war. War is bad for business. They'll buy Taiwan one block at a time. Unlike American affection for immediate gratification, the Chinese are in it for the long term.

This is more about all the resources under the sea from the Chinese mainland out to as far as China can push it.

No one wants to return the the massive destruction of WWII. An estimated 70M people died as a result. The US was on the verge of bankruptcy. No nation in their right minds wants such a calamity to fall upon them. What Putin is doing is irrational and will only be a loser for him. China will push simply as a good business competitor does.
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There will never be a nuclear war between superpowers. Mutual destruction. All wars now are either cyber or economic. Like the sanctions. Russia or China will never try to nuke us. They'd be signing their own death warrants.
 
Cypress said:
What Putin is doing is irrational, and has no economic benefit for Russia. He is driven by a warped vision of a type of Russian nationalism rooted in 18th and 19th century tsarist Russia

The best outcome here is that Putin fails at his objective of conquering Ukraine, thus serving as a cautionary tale for future tyrants contemplating attacking their neighbors
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True. The Russian people are receiving zero benefit from this war. I hear they're losing a lot of Generals.
 
goat said:
It's human nature to show off your new toys. The US has always been indifferent to collateral damage. Our drones kill more than 90% civilians.
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You know the drone strike last week killed only one person? His family in the house was unharmed.

I'm predicting very few terrorists will go out on patios for awhile.
 
Cypress said:
Hiroshima's mayor slams Russia while marking 77th anniversary of atomic bombing

Japan is today marking the 77th anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, which killed tens of thousands of people in World War II.

Bells tolled in Hiroshima on Saturday, commemorating the world's first atomic bombing, with officials including the United Nations Secretary-General warning of a new arms race in the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

At 8:15am on August 6, 1945, the US B-29 warplane Enola Gay dropped a bomb nicknamed "Little Boy" and obliterated the city, which had an estimated population of 350,000.

Estimates of how many people died from the bomb, either instantly or in the following months, range between 90,000 and 166,000.

Hiroshima mayor Kazumi Matsui, whose city this year did not invite the Russian ambassador to the ceremony, was more pointed and critical of Moscow's military actions in Ukraine.

"In invading Ukraine, the Russian leader, elected to protect the lives and property of his people, is using them as instruments of war, stealing the lives and livelihoods of civilians in a different country," Mr Matsui said.




https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/101307694
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Nuking Japan ultimatly saved American and Japanese lives. Japan had moved a lot of its manufacturing of guns etc . to the homes of workers. That is one of the reasons that the quality of Japanese rifles plummeted by the end of the war. The rifles got so bad that the parts were not interchangeable. Civilians were making bullets and grenades in their homes also. So any attack that would cripple their production had to attack the civilian population. The general population was also preparing for an invasion by sharpening bamboo spears so an invasion would have killed a large number of the population. My own father was in the Philippines and his group was preparing to invade Japan. We didn't ask for the war but we did finish it. I can't imagine telling my grandmother that her son was killed because we didn't want to kill Japanese who were supporting the war against the United States.
 
ExpressLane said:
Nuking Japan ultimatly saved American and Japanese lives. Japan had moved a lot of its manufacturing of guns etc . to the homes of workers. That is one of the reasons that the quality of Japanese rifles plummeted by the end of the war. The rifles got so bad that the parts were not interchangeable. Civilians were making bullets and grenades in their homes also. So any attack that would cripple their production had to attack the civilian population. The general population was also preparing for an invasion by sharpening bamboo spears so an invasion would have killed a large number of the population. My own father was in the Philippines and his group was preparing to invade Japan. We didn't ask for the war but we did finish it. I can't imagine telling my grandmother that her son was killed because we didn't want to kill Japanese who were supporting the war against the United States.
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That's nothing more than US propaganda. Killing innocent civilians can never be justified, especially when it comes to nukes.
 
signalmankenneth said:
They could have just surrounded the island nation with ships and just use conventional bombing without a land invasion?!! No goods or material could get into Japan, it would be just a matter of time before they would surrender?!! The atomic bombs were over kill?!!
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this was a war for our existence and your plan was to blockade the islands into submission?
We needed to win/end the war
 
I think it's weird that people have no problem vaporizing innocent women & children.

It really makes no sense to me. America should stand for more than that.
 
Cypress said:
Hiroshima's mayor slams Russia while marking 77th anniversary of atomic bombing

Japan is today marking the 77th anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, which killed tens of thousands of people in World War II.

Bells tolled in Hiroshima on Saturday, commemorating the world's first atomic bombing, with officials including the United Nations Secretary-General warning of a new arms race in the wake of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

At 8:15am on August 6, 1945, the US B-29 warplane Enola Gay dropped a bomb nicknamed "Little Boy" and obliterated the city, which had an estimated population of 350,000.

Estimates of how many people died from the bomb, either instantly or in the following months, range between 90,000 and 166,000.

Hiroshima mayor Kazumi Matsui, whose city this year did not invite the Russian ambassador to the ceremony, was more pointed and critical of Moscow's military actions in Ukraine.

"In invading Ukraine, the Russian leader, elected to protect the lives and property of his people, is using them as instruments of war, stealing the lives and livelihoods of civilians in a different country," Mr Matsui said.




https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/101307694
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Only a weak minded person would compare Hiroshima to Ukraine.
 
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