"US Teachers Have Had It"

Hawkeye10 said:
The culture war came to the schools in the mid to late 80's when those who are now known as the WOKE took over the schools of education nationwide in an organized effort to subvert America.

Conservatives are not the villains here.
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You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
 
Earl said:
Our country is at a tipping point. It all hinges on the November and 2024 elections. If the radical, far left Democrat Socialists prevail, we can fold the flag and go home.
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But you think the radical, far right Republican Fascists would be better?

If so, you apparently didn't get the education you think you did.
 
cawacko said:
Many public schools would fail if we let them. They aren’t a panacea but they provide options, a differing ciriculum etc. If the status quo works for you and reducing standards in the name of equity is what we need then you should be happy with how things are trending.
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You, as do most supporters of charter schools, completely avoided the facts I presented, again, most charter schools fail, and charter schools can pick and flush students, if public schools could do the same they’d be top rated also, any school would. You simply disregard the facts, escaping with the “reducing standards in the name of equity,” which is blind to the realities
 
archives said:
You, as do most supporters of charter schools, completely avoided the facts I presented, again, most charter schools fail, and charter schools can pick and flush students, if public schools could do the same they’d be top rated also, any school would. You simply disregard the facts, escaping with the “reducing standards in the name of equity,” which is blind to the realities
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We all have different things we're interested in/passionate about and we spend more time paying attention to them. Education is one for me and I'm in no way proclaiming myself an expert, or even all that knowledgeable, but I read a lot about it and yes, there are many examples across the country of lowering of standards in the name of equity. Like many/most subjects there is nuance so there are people who will make passionate arguments for why that's a good thing and it's not to say they make no compelling points. But on the whole it's the lowering of standards in a time when we are competing in a global world and it is doing us no favors.

I understand there are charter schools that don't make it. Notice in each post I said they are not a panacea. I say that for a reason because its true. But that doesn't change the benefit of them and on the whole they provide options/opportunities. We can't flick our fingers and overnight our education system will be different. But charter schools play a role in improving our system.
 
archives said:
"Under Siege: Facing School Shootings and Book Bans, US Teachers Have Had It"

"American teachers are the most stressed they’ve been in years as they deal with the fear of increased shootings at schools, along with burdens of curriculum restrictions and being overworked."

"Rather than support teachers, politicians are stoking up culture wars and banning curriculum and books and calling them names"

"Lawmakers in 42 states have introduced bills banning discussions of racism and other prejudices from schools, according to an Education Week analysis. Concerns over school shootings also featured with nearly half of K-12 teachers expressing worry over the possibility of such an incident."

"More than a third of teachers said they would likely leave their profession within two years. Nearly three quarters said they would not recommend the role to someone else, and those who had been teaching for 16 or more years were the least likely to recommend teaching as a career."

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/under-sie...1eik6O8MYpISU1ncHviLKc-jxVu6Wvx_&guccounter=2

And this is on top of usually poor pay, jeopardized pension benefits, attacks upon what little security they have, and having to defend yourself against candidates who want to make a headline coitizing them for political ends. No wonder a third plan on quitting and over seventy five percent would not recommend it as a profession to others

Just a further dumbing down of America
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crt and lies about history and gender are the real dumbing down.
:truestory:
 
Nomad said:
I worked in the public education system for about 12 years.

Substitute teaching after I retired from my former vocation.

The teachers and the system are fine, it's just some of the assholes they are forced to deal with and keep happy. And I'm talking both parents and students. And it all goes back to what I said earlier.... we have become a society of spoiled rotten assholes who have to be mollified and kowtowed to constantly. Offend some precious little turd and their precious turd parents will be in someone's face demanding an apology and threatening a lawsuit.

And of course, the school administrators are under orders from the gutless elected "leaders" at the local school board to belly crawl and say yes sir and yes ma'am and take the parents' side.

And on and on and on.....

When I was a kid in the 60's & 70's, if you got in trouble at school and pissed off your teacher, your mom & dad wanted to know what you did wrong and you'd better not do it again.

If we'd leave these people alone and let them do what they were trained to do, there'd be no problem.

I have no problem with telling them not to indoctrinate kids to some ideology, but that works all ways.

Neither liberal nor conservative nor Christian.
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In a general sense can you pinpoint kind of when things started to change? As a former athlete and sports fan many of us can think of the kind of domineering head coach who had a more my way or the high way type attitude and you either went along with it or you weren't on the team. Today we consider those types antiquated. Is there a similar analogy in teaching?
 
cawacko said:
In a general sense can you pinpoint kind of when things started to change? As a former athlete and sports fan many of us can think of the kind of domineering head coach who had a more my way or the high way type attitude and you either went along with it or you weren't on the team. Today we consider those types antiquated. Is there a similar analogy in teaching?
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It's been about 12 years since the last time I worked at it, but I would tend to think the biggest changes happened since then because it's just been in the past ten years that society has undergone such drastic changes.

But I know that even as far back as the early 00's, if a teacher was having problems with a particular student, they had to be really careful and follow these strict guidelines regarding x number of verbal warnings before moving to the next level of x number of written warnings, then x number of written discipline referrals, then written contact with the parents/guardian, then after that, an in person, face to face meeting, etc, etc, all before the school administrators got involved.

And of course, as far back as when I was in school teachers couldn't personally insult a student in front of the class, etc.

As for the old school gruff athletics coach, I knew this one guy I used to sub for or sometimes one of the other coaches and he'd be there, who used to jokingly call the kids "Dumass" (do-MAHSS), as in.....


That's about as close to insulting or name calling as I've seen any teacher dare get.
 
Nomad said:
It's been about 12 years since the last time I worked at it, but I would tend to think the biggest changes happened since then because it's just been in the past ten years that society has undergone such drastic changes.

But I know that even as far back as the early 00's, if a teacher was having problems with a particular student, they had to be really careful and follow these strict guidelines regarding x number of verbal warnings before moving to the next level of x number of written warnings, then x number of written discipline referrals, then written contact with the parents/guardian, then after that, an in person, face to face meeting, etc, etc, all before the school administrators got involved.

And of course, as far back as when I was in school teachers couldn't personally insult a student in front of the class, etc.

As for the old school gruff athletics coach, I knew this one guy I used to sub for or sometimes one of the other coaches and he'd be there, who used to jokingly call the kids "Dumass" (do-MAHSS), as in.....


That's about as close to insulting or name calling as I've seen any teacher dare get.
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I think you will appreciate that Coddling of the American Mind book because they hit on some of the things you said. The author is a professor at NYU and can point to a specific time, mid 2010's I believe, when he noticed the change in the students coming on to campus. (he equates a fair amount to these kids having grown up with social media in their lives). So a little after you stopped teaching but nonetheless changes were already in order.

Were these changes you referenced in dealing with kids forced by fear of lawsuits? Or were there other factors driving them?
 
cawacko said:
I think you will appreciate that Coddling of the American Mind book because they hit on some of the things you said. The author is a professor at NYU and can point to a specific time, mid 2010's I believe, when he noticed the change in the students coming on to campus. (he equates a fair amount to these kids having grown up with social media in their lives). So a little after you stopped teaching but nonetheless changes were already in order.

Were these changes you referenced in dealing with kids forced by fear of lawsuits? Or were there other factors driving them?
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I suppose if you believe conservatives, kids have been being "indoctrinated" since the mid 80's. Two of the twelve total years I spent working as a sub, were in the late 80's, from '87 to '89. I never saw any indoctrination even back then.

I think that trying to foster an atmosphere of fairness and equal treatment is what the extreme right sees as "liberal indoctrination".

My lawsuit comment was just based on what I've seen and heard in the news.

The closest I ever came to anything like that was once, back around '89 I was subbing for a middle school science teacher. There was a kid in third or fourth period who was known to have extreme behavior issues. The teacher gave me no warning or heads up whatsoever. Sure enough, he started acting like a complete jackass. Finally I called the front office to have them send someone down to get him. The dumbass receptionist in the office told me to just send him down.

Big mistake.

Every time he'd leave, he'd come back in pretending he forgot something. Did this like three times. On the third attempt, I stood in front of the door, blocking him. He took a quick step right at me causing me to instinctively put my hand up which he purposely walked into. This resulted in him throwing a fit and accusing me of striking him. Told me I was in big trouble, etc. Went into the office hollering about me punching him with my fist and knocking him down. As they questioned him, the story kept changing so they knew he was lying. Plus, they'd had plenty of experience with him.

But... in spite of that fact, I still had to hang around after school let out and sit in a meeting with an assistant principal and the kid's guardian/aunt who gave me dirty looks and asked me questions in a very accusatory tone of voice.

I didn't get into any trouble, but all these years later, I still can't believe the dumbasses in the front office didn't send someone to escort him, knowing full well that he had psychological problems.

Funny epilogue to the story, the next year I was working at the high school around the corner when I looked up and saw the same kid standing right in front of me during class change.

I'm thinking "Oh shit this is gonna be trouble!!!", but it turns out this kid was the other kid's identical twin brother!!!!

:laugh:

He told me his brother had psych problems because their dad was a drunk who'd gotten stabbed in a bar fight.

The twin at the high school was as nice and respectful as any kid I'd ever seen.

Jekyll and Hyde.
 
Matt Dillon said:
What is inservice?
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The same boring stuff we have to do,every year… Gotta “be taught” about safety concerning blood borne pathogens (AIDS, Various Hepatitis alphabet diseases, etc.), basic first aid, refresher on CPR and defibrillator use, how to spot signs of child abuse and neglect, … stuff I’ve done every year for 34 years … this will make 35. Then sometimes there’s a motivational speaker, sometimes someone tries to scare you into buying insurance, sometimes there’s some technology training. Bus drivers have mandatory yearly training and physicals. Time is also set aside during theses days before the first day for the students to let teachers get their rooms ready. Different schools schedule different things.
 
archives said:
You, as do most supporters of charter schools, completely avoided the facts I presented, again, most charter schools fail, and charter schools can pick and flush students, if public schools could do the same they’d be top rated also, any school would. You simply disregard the facts, escaping with the “reducing standards in the name of equity,” which is blind to the realities
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let's say, for the sake of argument, that charter schools do fail to do a better job at teaching children........do you not recognize the fact that if parents get to choose, they have the ability to send their kids back to the "better" public school?.......of course, that would require that the parent agree with you about whether the public school is better than the charter school.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
let's say, for the sake of argument, that charter schools do fail to do a better job at teaching children........do you not recognize the fact that if parents get to choose, they have the ability to send their kids back to the "better" public school?.......of course, that would require that the parent agree with you about whether the public school is better than the charter school.......
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Anchovies can't think that deep, dude. :awesome:

He's functionally retarded.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
let's say, for the sake of argument, that charter schools do fail to do a better job at teaching children........do you not recognize the fact that if parents get to choose, they have the ability to send their kids back to the "better" public school?.......of course, that would require that the parent agree with you about whether the public school is better than the charter school.......
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Charter schools are privately owned, for-profit institutions that get tax dollars to operate which in turn, sucks resources away from public schools that desperately need every penny they can get.

Only in what passes for the "minds" of rwnj assholes, could such a thing seem like a legitimate use of tax dollars.

Not to mention the hypocrisy of it all.

The bunch who shits their drawers over taxes and gub'mint spending being too high, cheer this nonsense because they think it's a stick in the eye of lib'ruls and their dang ol' lib'rul edjukashun 'n shee-it.

Dumbass rednecks.
 
archives said:
"Under Siege: Facing School Shootings and Book Bans, US Teachers Have Had It"

"American teachers are the most stressed they’ve been in years as they deal with the fear of increased shootings at schools, along with burdens of curriculum restrictions and being overworked."

"Rather than support teachers, politicians are stoking up culture wars and banning curriculum and books and calling them names"

"Lawmakers in 42 states have introduced bills banning discussions of racism and other prejudices from schools, according to an Education Week analysis. Concerns over school shootings also featured with nearly half of K-12 teachers expressing worry over the possibility of such an incident."

"More than a third of teachers said they would likely leave their profession within two years. Nearly three quarters said they would not recommend the role to someone else, and those who had been teaching for 16 or more years were the least likely to recommend teaching as a career."

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/under-sie...1eik6O8MYpISU1ncHviLKc-jxVu6Wvx_&guccounter=2

And this is on top of usually poor pay, jeopardized pension benefits, attacks upon what little security they have, and having to defend yourself against candidates who want to make a headline coitizing them for political ends. No wonder a third plan on quitting and over seventy five percent would not recommend it as a profession to others

Just a further dumbing down of America
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Poor anchovies,
The dumbing down of America is caused by wokeism. Everyone gets a trophy, 64 genders, and lower the test standards so no one feels abused bullshit.
Odd, the teachers in private schools where armed protection is present and student dicipline is enforced seem to be very happy.
 
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