Missing the point on mass shootings.

SmarterthanYou said:
the founders made very clear what they thought on many things, as evidenced by all of the pieces of historical documentation
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The problem is that you only read the documentation you agree with, that confirms your inherent biases.

Trying to determine what long-dead slaveowners thought is stupid, but it's also an act of cowardice.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
your ridiculous thinking is tantamount to charging the bodega owner because he violently attacked someone who attacked him, but only because the bodega owner said he'd react violently if attacked.
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But that's what you said, man.

You said that you would be compelled to act violently if there is any attempt at gun control, and not only have you said that, but you have also said that you aren't to blame for your future violent acts because you were provoked by people who wanted to control gun violence.

That's exactly the same defense a wife beater uses..."look what you made me do".
 
LV426 said:
Because the guns are the reason why the country is a shooting gallery.
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Yes, and since the constitution isn't amendable while the nation is polarized, absolutely nothing can be done about it.
It distracts us from fixing the more important thing that we may be able to fix.

I don't give a fat fuck about guns one way or the other, but I recognize a dead horse.
Guns may be a problem, but it's a problem way the fuck down any sane priority list right now.
 
LV426 said:
The problem is that you only read the documentation you agree with, that confirms your inherent biases.

Trying to determine what long-dead slaveowners thought is stupid, but it's also an act of cowardice.
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when weighing evidence of the framers support and the documentation reflects an overwhelming difference in my favor vs yours........I win. the second sentence of your post is your petty whining because you have no basis for your position
 
LV426 said:
But that's what you said, man.

You said that you would be compelled to act violently if there is any attempt at gun control, and not only have you said that, but you have also said that you aren't to blame for your future violent acts because you were provoked by people who wanted to control gun violence.

That's exactly the same defense a wife beater uses..."look what you made me do".
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wrong.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Yes, and since the constitution isn't amendable while the nation is polarized, absolutely nothing can be done about it.
It distracts us from fixing the more important thing that we may be able to fix.

I don't give a fat fuck about guns one way or the other, but I recognize a dead horse.
Guns may be a problem, but it's a problem way the fuck down any sane priority list right now.
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Try telling that to the victims of the Highland Park massacre.

Oh wait, you can't because many of them are dead.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
when weighing evidence of the framers support and the documentation reflects an overwhelming difference in my favor vs yours.
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No, not at all.

In fact, you are on the fringes.


the second sentence of your post is your petty whining because you have no basis for your position
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If you can determine what the founders thought based on what they wrote 200 years ago, then I can determine what you think based on what you write here every day.
 
LV426 said:
Sure you could be that, but then you'd have to explain the inherent contradiction in your positions, which you won't do and instead will either steal from someone else and try to pass it off as your own, or send me on a wild goose chase for something that doesn't exist.
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There's no contradiction, mental infant.
 
LV426 said:
But that's what you said, man.

You said that you would be compelled to act violently if there is any attempt at gun control, and not only have you said that, but you have also said that you aren't to blame for your future violent acts because you were provoked by people who wanted to control gun violence.

That's exactly the same defense a wife beater uses..."look what you made me do".
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it's like suing a dog owner because you got bit for climbing over his back yard fence that had 'beware of dog' signs............

stop being a ridiculous idiot.
 
LV426 said:
No, not at all.

In fact, you are on the fringes.

If you can determine what the founders thought based on what they wrote 200 years ago, then I can determine what you think based on what you write here every day.
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this is why I hate arguing with liberals...........you never make sense
 
martin said:
The connection that seems to elude every gun nut is not one between guns and random sorts of victims or between guns and the mere availability of other types of weapons. It is the connection between a certain kind of gun and a certain kind of killer. Almost every mass killing in the United States is with an AR-15 by a white male under the age of 25, usually under the age of 20. Why is this? With the gun it is because the AR-15 has both repetitive firepower and a great macho look. With the killer it is because 1) he is hungry for that firepower and hungry for that great macho look and 2) as an angry and desperate type of young white male he is uniquely prone to having this hunger.
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The main problem you have here is that the assumption that "every mass killing" is as you describe. Only the ones reported on the news fit that bill and are only 15% of the mass killings in the United States. Mass killings in downtown Chicago, for example, where gang members shoot up a house full of people are not reported in national news, and nobody seems to care. (It is my belief that nobody cares because there are already draconian laws against guns there). In a place where literally thousands are killed in a year, sometimes into 3 digits in a weekend it simply is ignored by the national media. You should try to figure out why those mass killings are the ones are "missing" from your knowledge rather than pretend that only the ones that you hear about should be the ones we are talking about.

Jarod said:
Yes, we need to study this connection. I agree.. .was it designed to attract this type of person? What is the connection, does it represent some kind of power that is missing in these little Trumppers lives? Is it because it gives the impotent person instant power without working for it?
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You don't have that excuse, I don't believe folks with a JD (Juris Doctor, it's what lawyers get when they graduate it's like an MD, but for law and equivalent to a Masters Degree in actuality) should be forgiven for deliberately ignoring crimes and pretending that "all mass killings" fit within a specific narrative presented in the national media. You don't get a pass, you are driving this specific narrative on purpose and without regard to the truth. No matter how many times I read your hacktacularly partisan nonsense it never fails to disappoint me. I keep expecting you to be better than that, but you just aren't.
 
martin said:
The connection that seems to elude every gun nut is not one between guns and random sorts of victims or between guns and the mere availability of other types of weapons. It is the connection between a certain kind of gun and a certain kind of killer. Almost every mass killing in the United States is with an AR-15 by a white male under the age of 25, usually under the age of 20. Why is this? With the gun it is because the AR-15 has both repetitive firepower and a great macho look. With the killer it is because 1) he is hungry for that firepower and hungry for that great macho look and 2) as an angry and desperate type of young white male he is uniquely prone to having this hunger.
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The broken men and women who raise these little monsters live in a fantasy world of lies


They teach those lies to their little monsters from day one


Then teach them to shoot from infancy


Then they help them buy arms to kill people with


The Republican Party and Fox News have made half our nation emotional idiots
 
LV426 said:
So you're saying that if gun control is enacted, you have no choice but to act violently towards anyone who advocated or enacted it?
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no. why are you always getting it wrong? is that purposeful or just stupid? anyone who tries to enforce it on me..............THAT is who I threaten. If it escalates nationally, THEN it might fall on all of those who enacted it and advocated it.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
it's like suing a dog owner because you got bit for climbing over his back yard fence that had 'beware of dog' signs
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Again, this is "look what you made me do."

You're telling everyone here that you cannot control your violent tendencies.

So if that's the case, then you shouldn't have a gun AT ALL.

If you cannot control yourself, then you definitely aren't responsible enough to own a firearm.

If you are that instinctually violent, you belong in an asylum.

Crazy people say things like "if you pass gun control I'm going to kill you".
 
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