“Texas Could Vote to Secede From U.S. in 2023 as GOP Pushes for Referendum”

[Nomad]

While true, if Texas were to secede, Texas would become responsible for it's own borders, and could use any and all means to protect them.

And the rest of the US could blockade them.

Seal them off and not let anyone in or out.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Dutch,



SMH

Bizarre hateful stuff.

No big surprise.

I truly believe this will blowback on them. Such hate can't continue without violence and violence is abhorrent to most American families.

The traitors, terrorists and other criminals who keep pushing for an anti-American, authoritarian government like Russia and North Korea are enemies of the Constitution. That, too, is abhorrent to most American families. It's one thing for a Euro-American businessman to become nervous when surrounded by several African-American gangstas, but it's another to accept a despotic state run by Pedo Don which subjugates anyone who isn't Euro-American, Christian and, mostly, male. They are the ultimate spoiled man-childs and won't last long in a modern society. They will be crushed after murdering Americans.

This situation can't last without coming to a boil. It could happen this summer or the summer of 2024, but it will happen. History shows the cycle of disputes and eventual violence. Humans are known for it. Especially Americans.

It's one thing to read a history book and see "Boston massacre March 5, 1770" quickly followed by "The shot heard round the world' at Lexington and Concord on April 19, 1775". It takes a few seconds to read, but over five years to live.

By those measurements, if Boston was 1/6, is it weird to believe that something similar might happen after the election in November 2024? Not that they'd win, of course. Simply that the pot would boil over by then. English history is full of such cycles. Since America, like sister Canada, is English in origin, literally in language if nothing else, we're clearly distinctly different cultures because of our propensity to become violent when unhappy.

Canada, Australia and England are much more alike than the US. Why? We overthrew the King in favor of democracy and self-governance, they still print royalty on their money. That particular cultural aspect will continue to differentiate our cultures for at least a few more decades.

In the current situation, I don't see Trump's traitors, terrorists and criminals as being like the Revolutionaries but more like the Luddites of 1811-1816 England. They feared change because, I'm guessing, they were unable or unwilling to adapt to modern technology (weaving machines).

Instead of adapting, they rioted, burned and destroyed just like most Trumpers seek to do.

https://www.history.com/news/who-were-the-luddites
“Luddite” is now a blanket term used to describe people who dislike new technology, but its origins date back to an early 19th-century labor movement that railed against the ways that mechanized manufactures and their unskilled laborers undermined the skilled craftsmen of the day...

...Most were trained artisans who had spent years learning their craft, and they feared that unskilled machine operators were robbing them of their livelihood. When the economic pressures of the Napoleonic Wars made the cheap competition of early textile factories particularly threatening to the artisans, a few desperate weavers began breaking into factories and smashing textile machines. They called themselves “Luddites” after Ned Ludd, a young apprentice who was rumored to have wrecked a textile apparatus in 1779.

 

[Into the Night]

The only inversion is your own....

You REALLY think your insults are going to make ANY difference?????!? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Into the Night]

Wow, Sybil. I'd love to chat on why you are wrong but you keep reporting me for Rule 14 violations every time I do so I can't. Sorry, dude.

Rule 14

 

[Into the Night]

Hello Dutch,



SMH

Bizarre hateful stuff.

No big surprise.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06...ention-cornyn/
The new platform would call for:

Requiring Texas students “to learn about the humanity of the preborn child,” including teaching that life begins at fertilization and requiring students to listen to live ultrasounds of gestating fetuses.
Amending the Texas Constitution to remove the Legislature’s power “to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.”
Treating homosexuality as “an abnormal lifestyle choice,” language that was not included in the 2018 or 2020 party platforms.
Deeming gender identity disorder “a genuine and extremely rare mental health condition,” requiring official documents to adhere to “biological gender,” and allowing civil penalties and monetary compensation to “de-transitioners” who have received gender-affirming surgery, which the platform calls a form of medical malpractice.
Changing the U.S. Constitution to cement the number of Supreme Court justices at nine and repeal the 16th Amendment of 1913, which created the federal income tax.
Ensuring “freedom to travel” by opposing Biden’s Clean Energy Plan and “California-style, anti-driver policies,” including efforts to turn traffic lanes over for use by pedestrians, cyclists and mass transit.
Declaring “all businesses and jobs as essential and a fundamental right,” a response to COVID-19 mandates by Texas cities that required customers to wear masks and limited business hours.
Abolishing the Federal Reserve, the nation’s central bank, and guaranteeing the right to use alternatives to cash, including cryptocurrencies.

What is bizarre and hateful?

 

[Nomad]

You REALLY think your insults are going to make ANY difference?????!? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Well, I've always heard that "you can't fix stupid" so no, I don't think there is anything that can be said to you that will make ANY difference in your cock-eyed view of the world.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

And the rest of the US could blockade them.

Seal them off and not let anyone in or out.

It raises some serious questions. If they secede then all their citizens would have to renounce their US citizenship and give up their US passports. If Texans held dual passports then Texas would still be part of the US.
A foreigner can't enter the US without the US having some treaty designating how those foreign citizens are allowed into the country. Do they require a visa or can they enter and stay for a period of time. Treaties take time to negotiate.
The same would be true of any goods passing between the two countries. Texistan would have to become a party to the USMCA (US Mexico Canada Agreement) before it could import/export duty free.

While the USA might be inconvenienced if they can't get oil from Texas. Texas will be starving in a month if they can't get food from Mexico and the rest of the US. The only agricultural product that Texas produces more of than they use is beef.

Texas produces less than 2% of the food consumed in the US but has 9% of the population.
https://www.nass.usda.gov/Publications/AgCensus/2017/Full_Report/Volume_1,_Chapter_2_US_State_Level/

 

[Into the Night]

Extreme stupidity fallacy ^^^.
There is no right to unilaterally secede.

There certainly is.

The colonies seceded from British rule. Successfully too.
Several States seceded from the Union in the 1800's. They successfully formed a new nation, known as the Confederate States of America. It was destroyed as a result of the War of Secession.

You rwnj's always love to spout off about enumerated rights and powers being the only ones that are valid while those that are not specifically addressed in the Constitution do not exist.

Rights do not come from the Constitution. That is not it's purpose. You are discarding the 9th and 10th amendments again.

That is your rationale behind why gun rights are sacred and cannot be touched and why abortion rights are non-existent.

The right of self defense is inherent. No government can take that away no matter how oppressive they are. The Constitution of the United States specifically prohibits the federal and State governments from interfering with this right.
There is no right to murder.

Yet here you are claiming a right to something that is not addressed by the Constitution.

It is. See the 9th and 10th amendments.

By your twisted, hypocritical logic if there is a Constitutional right to secession, there is a Constitutional right to abortion.

False equivalence fallacy. There is no right to murder.

 

[Into the Night]

It raises some serious questions. If they secede then all their citizens would have to renounce their US citizenship and give up their US passports.

Maybe. There IS such a thing as dual citizenship. Yes, US passports would be worthless.

If Texans held dual passports then Texas would still be part of the US.

No. Dual citizenship does not make one nation the same as the other.

A foreigner can't enter the US without the US having some treaty designating how those foreign citizens are allowed into the country.

Somebody should tell Biden. Are you SERIOUSLY going to deny what's happening on the Mexican border?????!?

Do they require a visa or can they enter and stay for a period of time. Treaties take time to negotiate.

Not really. Some treaties have taken little over a day to negotiate.

The same would be true of any goods passing between the two countries.

International trade does not require a treaty.

Texistan would have to become a party to the USMCA (US Mexico Canada Agreement) before it could import/export duty free.

Considering there no U.S. anymore, that treaty is effectively nullified. It still exists between Mexico and Canada, however. Whether Mexico wants to trade with a dictatorship is Mexico's decision to make.

While the USA might be inconvenienced if they can't get oil from Texas.

Why would they not get oil from Texas?

Texas will be starving in a month if they can't get food from Mexico and the rest of the US.

Texas is perfectly capable of feeding their own people. Why would they not be able to import food or anything else from Mexico or from any State of America or from anyone they want to?

The only agricultural product that Texas produces more of than they use is beef.

Texas is perfectly capable of feeding their own.

Texas produces less than 2% of the food consumed in the US but has 9% of the population.

Why do you think that has to stay the same??

 

[Nomad]

There certainly is.

The colonies seceded from British rule. Successfully too.

Britain is a foreign nation and a foreign government that did not offer the colonies a choice in how they were ruled. Texas voluntarily joined the United States. That conferred upon the rest of the states, a say in the matter of whether or not Texas can secede because it would have an impact and effect on every other state.

Several States seceded from the Union in the 1800's. They successfully formed a new nation, known as the Confederate States of America. It was destroyed as a result of the War of Secession.

And once it was destroyed, all the tenets and principles it was founded upon were destroyed with it.

Rights do not come from the Constitution. That is not it's purpose. You are discarding the 9th and 10th amendments again.

So then according to you, The Constitution is a useless, worthless piece of paper with a bunch of meaningless words and celebrity autographs on it.... right?

The right of self defense is inherent. No government can take that away no matter how oppressive they are. The Constitution of the United States specifically prohibits the federal and State governments from interfering with this right.

Where is there spelled out, anything about a supposed right of self defense?

Nowhere, that's where.

There is no right to murder.

Abortion isn't murder.

The death penalty is closer to murder than abortion is, as there have been numerous wrongful executions.

A lump of cells and human tissue inside of a womb is not a human being and as such, cannot be murdered.

Merely removed and disposed of.

It is. See the 9th and 10th amendments.

No mention of secession in either amendment.

Besides, you just said that rights do not come from The Constitution, yet once again you're pointing to it as the source of what you incorrectly consider to be a right.

Make up your mind.

False equivalence fallacy. There is no right to murder.

Abortion is not murder.

It is a medical procedure to remove an unwanted mass of cells and tissues from a womb.

Similar to the removal of a tumor or a cyst.

 

[Noking]

Poor anchovies, you think that is going to happen?

The Trump-licans in Texas are not normal people.

 

[evince]

Texas has some of the most extreme crackpot politicians in the country, Abbott, Patrick, Paxson, Cruz, Cornyn and Gohmert, it does not say a lot about the people who elected them either, let them secede?!!

They can’t even build a power grid that works or maintain it properly

 

[Into the Night]

I truly believe this will blowback on them. Such hate can't continue without violence and violence is abhorrent to most American families.

I will call this argument 1.
The hate you speak of is by Democrats.

The traitors, terrorists and other criminals who keep pushing for an anti-American, authoritarian government like Russia and North Korea are enemies of the Constitution.

Democrats.

That, too, is abhorrent to most American families.

Yes. Most American families don't LIKE the Woke mentality, the high prices, the high inflation, the lockdowns, the violence in the streets of American cities, the banning of products they want to buy, the constant attempt to define even what 'gender' and 'family' mean.

It's one thing for a Euro-American businessman to become nervous when surrounded by several African-American gangstas,

Consider that such 'gangsta' members are out to assault people or steal from them (or both!), I would think ANY businessman would be nervous around them.

but it's another to accept a despotic state run by Pedo Don which subjugates anyone who isn't Euro-American, Christian and, mostly, male.

Biden's first name is Joe, not Don.

They are the ultimate spoiled man-childs and won't last long in a modern society.

Biden is currently 79 years old. Kamala is currently 57 years old. Hillary is currently 74 years old. Obama is currently 60 years old. Bill Clinton is currently 74 years old. Jimmy Carter is currently 97 years old.

Seems like they are all lasting quite awhile.

They will be crushed after murdering Americans.

Hillary is still around. She's even thinking of running for President again!

This situation can't last without coming to a boil.

The pot's already simmering, dude.

It could happen this summer or the summer of 2024, but it will happen. History shows the cycle of disputes and eventual violence. Humans are known for it. Especially Americans.

I will call this argument 2. You are now locked in yet another paradox. Irrational. You can't rationally argue that Americans abhor violence and embrace violence.

It's one thing to read a history book and see "Boston massacre March 5, 1770" quickly followed by "The shot heard round the world' at Lexington and Concord on April 19, 1775". It takes a few seconds to read, but over five years to live.

Apparently because your history book left out a ton of stuff that happened between these two events, such as why the battle of Lexington and Concord occurred there why it happened at all.

By those measurements, if Boston was 1/6,

It wasn't, but a single protestor was shot by the government.

is it weird to believe that something similar might happen after the election in November 2024?

No. Election fraud caused the 2020 election to fault. If it happens again in 2022 and again in 2024, civil war is inevitable. Frankly, I think it already is.

Not that they'd win, of course. Simply that the pot would boil over by then.

Obviously, you are completely out of touch with the numbers involved here.

English history is full of such cycles. Since America, like sister Canada, is English in origin, literally in language if nothing else, we're clearly distinctly different cultures because of our propensity to become violent when unhappy.

No.

Canada is an oligarchy. They have no constitution. They never have. Despite this, Canada has been a relatively stable and peaceful people.
England is currently an oligarchy. They have no constitution. They never have. England has suffered almost constant civil wars. At the moment, the Irish, the Scots, and the Saxons seem to be getting along reasonably well for now.

The United States is unique. It has a constitution. It was organized as a federated republic, each layer of government having their own constitutions.
Today, the United States no longer exists. The federal government has been converted into an oligarchy. California is currently a dictatorship. New York is currently an oligarchy. Most of the States remain republics. The term 'U.S.' is still used (mostly out of habit) to refer to various organizations such as the army, the IRS, the welfare system, etc.

Canada, Australia and England are much more alike than the US. Why? We overthrew the King in favor of democracy and self-governance, they still print royalty on their money.

The United States was never a democracy. It never overthrew the King of England. He remained in power after secession.

That particular cultural aspect will continue to differentiate our cultures for at least a few more decades.

Much of why Canada enjoyed the peace that it did is BECAUSE of it's proximity to the U.S.

In the current situation, I don't see Trump's traitors, terrorists and criminals as being like the Revolutionaries but more like the Luddites of 1811-1816 England.

You are describing Democrats. Inversion fallacy.

They feared change because, I'm guessing, they were unable or unwilling to adapt to modern technology (weaving machines).

You are describing Democrats again. Inversion fallacy. It is Democrats that:
* are STILL pushing the electric vehicle, even though the internal combustion engine has made great advances.
* are STILL pushing windmills, even though modern generating plants can easily generate more than 1000 times the power.
* are STILL pushing living without air conditioners, despite the efficiency of modern air conditioning systems today.
* pushed slavery, despite modern cotton harvesting, spinning, and weaving machines.
* are STILL pushing racism, despite modern DNA techniques that show there is no such thing as a 'pure race''.
* are STILL pushing 'dry toilets' and even homelessness, despite modern plumbing and sanitation techniques that have made killers like cholera, black plague, typhus, etc distant memories for all but the homeless, living in filth.
* are STILL trying to impose censorship on the internet, despite the power of the personal computer and the ease with which to create websites, including blind forum sites like JPP.

So who are the Luddites, dude? Democrats.

Instead of adapting, they rioted, burned and destroyed just like most Trumpers seek to do.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Rule 14

QED on why I can't respond to you. All of your reports on me to shut me down.

 

[Into the Night]

Britain is a foreign nation and a foreign government that did not offer the colonies a choice in how they were ruled.

Not quite. Many colonists were British, making Britain the domestic nation.

Texas voluntarily joined the United States.

And it can voluntarily leave it at any time, just like any State of the Union.

That conferred upon the rest of the states, a say in the matter of whether or not Texas can secede because it would have an impact and effect on every other state.

It didn't confer anything up on any other State. The right of secession is inherent.

re: The Confederated States of America
And once it was destroyed, all the tenets and principles it was founded upon were destroyed with it.

No. Only slavery was outlawed. The Confederated States of America was dissolved as part of the treaty, and those States rejoined the Union, mostly involuntarily. They too still retain the right of secession.

Rights do not come from the Constitution. That is not it's purpose. You are discarding the 9th and 10th amendments again.

So then according to you, The Constitution is a useless, worthless piece of paper with a bunch of meaningless words and celebrity autographs on it.... right?

Word stuffing. Never said any such thing. You obviously are completely illiterate on the purpose of a constitution. You have no idea what it does.

Where is there spelled out, anything about a supposed right of self defense?
Nowhere, that's where.

Doesn't have to be.

Abortion isn't murder.

Yes it is.

The death penalty is closer to murder than abortion is, as there have been numerous wrongful executions.

No. The death penalty is the killing of a criminal for a capital crime, such as murder. It is performed by the government in the name of the people of that government.
Abortion is the killing of your own offspring for convenience. It is murder.

A lump of cells and human tissue inside of a womb is not a human being and as such, cannot be murdered.

It is a human being.

Merely removed and disposed of.

Which is murder.

No mention of secession in either amendment.

Doesn't need to be. Again, you discard the 9th and 10th amendments and the very purpose of a constitution.

Besides, you just said that rights do not come from The Constitution, yet once again you're pointing to it as the source of what you incorrectly consider to be a right.

I am not pointing to any constitution as a source of rights.

Abortion is not murder.

Yes it is.

It is a medical procedure to remove an unwanted mass of cells and tissues from a womb.

That 'mass of cells' is a human being.

Similar to the removal of a tumor or a cyst.

A human being is not a tumor.
A human being is not a cyst.

 

[Into the Night]

The Trump-licans in Texas are not normal people.

YOU don't get to define 'normal people'. You are not the king.

 

[gfm7175]

Right, everyone has the right to shit, but that doesn’t mean they can exercise it anywhere they like

Appears “birdie” doesn’t understand the concept of the social contract, nor consequently that all rights are based upon reason and not desire

Doesn't mean you can limit or ban arms, dude.

 

[Into the Night]

They can’t even build a power grid that works or maintain it properly

It actually works pretty well. The stupid windmills you Luddites keep pushing failed though.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

They can’t even build a power grid that works or maintain it properly

Not true. What has happened is that a power grid system has been built favoring the Texas rich. Who cares as long as it works, eh? LOL

When it doesn't work, then 29M armed Texans will start asking "Why?"

I❤Irony

 

[gfm7175]

But, but, but, don’t people have an “inherent right” to go anywhere they want to?

No, they don't. Yet, there are plenty of liberals in Madison WI who still think that they can whimsically go onto anyone's property and do as they please.