US COVID Failure

The recent high school graduate (no GED for her) posted on another thread that she did not lie.

Counting that lie and the lie on this thread, she has accumulated two (2) lies.

More to come.
Mina's a shill -- sort of like kartoonkenneth.
 
Quote Originally Posted by Mina View Post
Biden has at least tried to use the kinds of policies that more successful nations have used to reduce the COVID death toll. Unfortunately, such efforts have been largely thwarted by active resistance among Republicans and conservatives. ***Trump, by comparison, was directly responsible for higher COVID death tolls***, by way of poor leadership (e.g., his super-spreader events, his ridiculing of masking, his hype of snake-oil cures, his encouragement of complacency, and so on).

Liar.

More Americans died of Covid in 2021 (Biden) than 2020 (President Trump).
"The number of COVID-19 deaths recorded so far in 2021 has surpassed the total for 2020."
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ms-accurate-there-were-more-covid-19-deaths-/

I don't think you lied, I know you lied, Missy.

Then why is it that you've been unable to identify a lie? Obviously, what you posted doesn't qualify. To show I lied you would need to, at minimum, point to a statement by me and evidence showing that statement is wrong. The evidence you posted is about the number of 2021 deaths surpassing the number of 2020 deaths. Since I didn't say a word suggesting that wasn't the case, obviously that evidence doesn't show any lie on my part. Care to try again?
 
The recent high school graduate (no GED for her) posted on another thread that she did not lie.

Counting that lie and the lie on this thread, she has accumulated two (2) lies.

More to come.

As you know, you've been unable to identify a single lie by me.
 
Then why is it that you've been unable to identify a lie? Obviously, what you posted doesn't qualify. To show I lied you would need to, at minimum, point to a statement by me and evidence showing that statement is wrong. The evidence you posted is about the number of 2021 deaths surpassing the number of 2020 deaths. Since I didn't say a word suggesting that wasn't the case, obviously that evidence doesn't show any lie on my part. Care to try again?

Take a hike, lying pendeja.

You are a shill, as Granule posted and a proven liar.
 
Well, at least you admit that COVID is so much more a tool than it is a threat to public health.

What makes you think I admit that? Be specific, please.

Small business is a huge part of what makes this country great.

That's certainly a standard talking point among those politicians who go begging for campaign donations from small business owners. If you want them to cut a check, you need to stroke their egos for a while, first. But, the problem with the small-business fetishism is that small businesses actually tend to be relatively bad for employees (relative to big businesses). They tend to pay less, they tend to have worse benefits, and they even are legally carved out from a lot of protections and rights guaranteed for employees of bigger businesses (e.g., FMLA, ACA, and parts of the ADA).

Now, obviously, if the choice is between a small-business job or not having a job, people are better with the small business. But given a certain employment level, generally wages, benefits, and protections will be higher, on average, the larger the share of workers working at bigger businesses.
 
The recent high school graduate.

***Trump, by comparison, was directly responsible for higher COVID death tolls***,

Proven liar.
 
The recent high school graduate.

***Trump, by comparison, was directly responsible for higher COVID death tolls***,

Proven liar.

What makes you think that's a lie? It's a question of opinion how many of the COVID deaths are attributable to the direct actions of Trump versus Biden. It's fine for you to point out that I hurt your delicate feelings by offering an opinion you disagree with, but obviously that's very different than a lie. A lie is stating something I know to be untrue. I don't know that to be untrue. I believe it to be true, and for good reason, given a number of terrible behaviors by Trump.
 
What makes you think that's a lie? It's a question of opinion how many of the COVID deaths are attributable to the direct actions of Trump versus Biden. It's fine for you to point out that I hurt your delicate feelings by offering an opinion you disagree with, but obviously that's very different than a lie. A lie is stating something I know to be untrue. I don't know that to be untrue. I believe it to be true, and for good reason, given a number of terrible behaviors by Trump.

You lied, sweetie and it takes considerably more than a little high school graduate to hurt my feelings.

Have your parents educate you about false witness (lying).
 
What makes you think I admit that? Be specific, please.
You abandoned small business. Rather than agree that Boston small businesses (among other blue city small businesses) taking a beating is a bad thing, you went straight to cheering the successes of big business and explaining how big business is better than small business anyways -- as if small business was really nothing more than a pain in the ass and a welcome casualty of COVID. Hell, you even confirm your beliefs in the paragraph below.

See, if you were intellectually honest, you wouldn't be asking me to explain this shit. ;)


That's certainly a standard talking point among those politicians who go begging for campaign donations from small business owners. If you want them to cut a check, you need to stroke their egos for a while, first. But, the problem with the small-business fetishism is that small businesses actually tend to be relatively bad for employees (relative to big businesses). They tend to pay less, they tend to have worse benefits, and they even are legally carved out from a lot of protections and rights guaranteed for employees of bigger businesses (e.g., FMLA, ACA, and parts of the ADA).

Now, obviously, if the choice is between a small-business job or not having a job, people are better with the small business. But given a certain employment level, generally wages, benefits, and protections will be higher, on average, the larger the share of workers working at bigger businesses.
Fodder for corporate/government sluts like you.

Small business is key for millions of Americans, including myself. I did my time with the soulless creeps of both big business and government and now it's MY time, not THEIR time, and I'm loving every minute of it.

YOU are a shill. COVID is a tool for you sluts, nothing more.
 
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You abandoned small business.

I did? In what way? Or do you mean Charlie Baker, the Massachusetts governor, did so? I'm not clear what you're trying to argue here.

Small business is key for millions of Americans, including myself.

That sucks for you. However, the good news is that if big businesses keep growing the way they have been, you'll be more likely to have better options -- options with higher pay, better benefits, and strong labor protections. Good luck!
 
You abandoned small business. Rather than agree that Boston small businesses (among other blue city small businesses) taking a beating is a bad thing, you went straight to cheering the successes of big business and explaining how big business is better than small business anyways -- as if small business was really nothing more than a pain in the ass and a welcome casualty of COVID. Hell, you even confirm your beliefs in the paragraph below.

See, if you were intellectually honest, you wouldn't be asking me to explain this shit. ;)


Fodder for corporate/government sluts like you.

Small business is key for millions of Americans, including myself. I did my time with the soulless creeps of both big business and government and now it's MY time, not THEIR time, and I'm loving every minute of it.

YOU are a shill. COVID is a tool for you sluts, nothing more.

Indeed.

My older son and one of his Engineering friends started a small business after graduating from college.

Twelve years later they had 85 employees with revenue at 55 million per year.

They worked 14-16 hr. days and lived in their warehouse.

They sold the business to a large corporation and both retired at age 42.

A few weeks later, (they tired of playing golf all day) they started another small business with 12 employees.

They wanted a business where their children could work.

America is full of stories like this...small businesses are the heart of America.

People of the ilk of the recent high school graduate would never understand this. She probably still lives at home in her parent’s basement.


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In 2021, the number of small businesses in the US reached 32.5 million, making up nearly all (99.9 percent) US businesses.
 
Indeed.

My older son and one of his Engineering friends started a small business after graduating from college.

Twelve years later they had 85 employees with revenue at 55 million per year.

They worked 14-16 hr. days and lived in their warehouse.

They sold the business to a large corporation and both retired at age 42.

A few weeks later, (they tired of playing golf all day) they started another small business with 12 employees.

They wanted a business where their children could work.

America is full of stories like this...small businesses are the heart of America.

People of the ilk of the recent high school graduate would never understand this. She probably still lives at home in her parent’s basement.
And yet you can't shut the fuck up about how much better corporate America is than small business America. lol

Mina, do you understand that you make zero sense almost all of the time?
 
Most people don't grasp the sheer magnitude of the US's failure when it comes to COVID. When you look at how many extra deaths we've had, during the pandemic, versus what we would have expected given pre-pandemic mortality rates, it makes so many other things we worry about look trivial -- like a rounding error in the big picture. Whether we're talking school shootings or terrorism or war deaths, so much of what we fret about just doesn't come close.

Over a period of this length, we should have had about 6.5 million deaths, based on pre-pandemic mortality rates. Instead, we've had about 7.6 million. That 1.1 million extra deaths, thanks to COVID, is 17% mortality elevation. Much of that was avoidable. Japan and Germany, the next two biggest wealthy nations, had excess deaths of 0% and 4%, respectively. Canada, arguably the nation that's closest to us in terms of level of isolation and cultural issues, had 3%. Even within the US, some individual states managed to have much lower mortality elevation, despite dense populations and little isolation, like Massachusetts at a little under 8%.

So, think about what that would mean if we, as a nation, had managed to do as well as Canada.... or even just Massachusetts. We'd be talking about a death toll somewhere between 200,000 and 500,000, instead of 1.1 million. Thus, we can say the cost of our failure, was something like 750,000 extra deaths.

Now, compare that to the kinds of issues we spend so much time discussing (and remember, I'm not counting all COVID deaths... just those we could realistically have avoided merely by performing on par with most advanced societies.)

Wars? 7,051 US soldiers died in Iraq and Afghanistan combined. That's not even a week's worth of COVID deaths. In fact, you could add all the Americans killed in every war in our history, other than the Civil War, and not reach 750,000. Think about that: Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, WWII, WWI, the Spanish-American War, the Mexican War, 1812, the Revolutionary War, countless Indian Wars and police actions, all totaled, and still fewer dead than than the mortality caused by our incompetence in handling COVID.

Terrorism? Well, our extra COVID death toll is like suffering a 9/11 attack every single month for 20 straight years. Every four days or so, on average, our incompetent handling of COVID was killing more Americans than all the terrorist attacks in history combined.

School shootings? At the current rate of school homicides (36/year), the 750,000 who needlessly died because we botched COVID response is like nearly 21,000 years of such school massacres.

One has to first presume that "Covid deaths" were actually from Covid. But alas, most were not. One then has to presume that the shots, mask mandates and shutting down millions of businesses throwing millions into the malaise of unemployment, worked. But they did not. In fact, during the short time Biden has been President, even with mandates and a shot, more died than during Trumps Presidency before we had shots and mask mandates.

There was no science. Fauci and the CDC were throwing darts at a board and trying to force us to believe they knew what they were talking about.

Lastly, because there was ZERO earnest effort to get at the source of the virus, a lab in Wuhan run by the Communist Chinese, this has been a political football not an effort to save lives or prevent disease.

Funny how even in the Communist Authoritarian nation of China with ZERO human rights, they had a recent outbreak.

Leftists have to be the most gullible, uneducated morons on the planet.
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I think in some cases there really was something beyond incompetence. I think that once Biden took office, Republicans took the view that failing to get COVID under control would hurt him politically, and so they did whatever they could to stop him.

First off, you don't think. You emote moronic lie filled eft wing narratives. More people died under Biden's Presidency even with vaccinations and mandates, than during Trumps.

Liberty is not an option. We don't live in an authoritarian shithole. If you want that, move to Venezuela, Cuba or China. One less lying leftist dunce is better for America.
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