Biden has at least tried to use the kinds of policies that more successful nations have used to reduce the COVID death toll. Unfortunately, such efforts have been largely thwarted by active resistance among Republicans and conservatives. Trump, by comparison, was directly responsible for higher COVID death tolls, by way of poor leadership (e.g., his super-spreader events, his ridiculing of masking, his hype of snake-oil cures, his encouragement of complacency, and so on).
US COVID Failure
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Biden has at least tried to use the kinds of policies that more successful nations have used to reduce the COVID death toll. Unfortunately, such efforts have been largely thwarted by active resistance among Republicans and conservatives. Trump, by comparison, was directly responsible for higher COVID death tolls, by way of poor leadership (e.g., his super-spreader events, his ridiculing of masking, his hype of snake-oil cures, his encouragement of complacency, and so on).
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
and as of today, world health meters (which is certainly more to be trusted than the NYT) has the seven day average at 3.......
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
NYC has had 178 murders since January 1, 2022.....
https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf
on a per capita basis, you have a greater chance of being murdered in NYC than in dying of covid in Florida.......
Liar.
More Americans died of Covid in 2021 (Biden) than 2020 (President Trump).
"The number of COVID-19 deaths recorded so far in 2021 has surpassed the total for 2020."
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ms-accurate-there-were-more-covid-19-deaths-/
Your recent high school diploma precedes you, Missy.
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Which is even more baffling, since Trump was the one who first said that we should wash our hands and be smart. You'd think that response alone would've shocked and killed at least 25% of the Left.
Yet there are examples where societies were considerably more successful at containing COVID, without destroying the economy.
Right here in the US, Massachusetts is a good example. It had well under half the excess mortality of the nation as a whole, which means if the country could have merely performed as well as Massachusetts, it would have saved the lives of over half a million Americans. And the economy of Massachusetts isn't "destroyed." It has 4.1% unemployment right now, which is well below historical averages. Meanwhile, the state is near the top of the list for every measure of economic production and prosperity (e.g., Massachusetts had the nation's second-highest GDP per capita in both 2020 and 2021). If the nation had encouraged more vaccination, as Massachusetts did, and had been more willing to require masks and distancing in certain settings, and if it had done better at testing and tracking cases, we could have had robust economic growth and a much lower death toll.
This actually is eerily similar to a number of climate-change discussions I've had. Right-wingers are fond of creating a false choice between allowing climate change to rage unchecked, or going back to the stone age. They know that if people accept that false choice, where the only way to fight climate change would be absurd measures, then they won't bother. But, of course, there are ways to fight climate change that aren't at all absurd and, in many cases, are barely even an effort.
Well, in the same way, the dumbest people in the world want us all to think that nothing could be done to reduce the COVID death toll short of confining ourselves to our basements permanently. Out here in the real world, though, the facts just refuse to play along with that. A whole lot of societies managed to do a whole lot better than the US averages, without absurd measures.
Quote Originally Posted by Mina View Post
Biden has at least tried to use the kinds of policies that more successful nations have used to reduce the COVID death toll. Unfortunately, such efforts have been largely thwarted by active resistance among Republicans and conservatives. ***Trump, by comparison, was directly responsible for higher COVID death tolls***, by way of poor leadership (e.g., his super-spreader events, his ridiculing of masking, his hype of snake-oil cures, his encouragement of complacency, and so on).
Liar.
More Americans died of Covid in 2021 (Biden) than 2020 (President Trump).
"The number of COVID-19 deaths recorded so far in 2021 has surpassed the total for 2020."
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ms-accurate-there-were-more-covid-19-deaths-/
Biden has at least tried to use the kinds of policies that more successful nations have used to reduce the COVID death toll. Unfortunately, such efforts have been largely thwarted by active resistance among Republicans and conservatives. ***Trump, by comparison, was directly responsible for higher COVID death tolls***, by way of poor leadership (e.g., his super-spreader events, his ridiculing of masking, his hype of snake-oil cures, his encouragement of complacency, and so on).
Liar.
More Americans died of Covid in 2021 (Biden) than 2020 (President Trump).
"The number of COVID-19 deaths recorded so far in 2021 has surpassed the total for 2020."
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ms-accurate-there-were-more-covid-19-deaths-/
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Indeed or 90%.
Sorry, COVID isn't worth shutting down 33% of Boston's small businesses. Two more outbreaks like this last one and Massachusetts becomes a ghost state, along with the rest of the blue.
No, America says "fuck you".
Sorry, COVID isn't worth shutting down 33% of Boston's small businesses. Two more outbreaks like this last one and Massachusetts becomes a ghost state, along with the rest of the blue.
No, America says "fuck you".
Covid-19's Toll on U.S. Business? 200,000 Extra Closures in ...
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-04-16/card/QKG4xgwU4HyCqMq6TiyI
Apr 16, 2021 — In recent years, about 600,000 establishments have permanently closed per year, or about 8.5%, according to the study.
Why? Keep in mind, the NYT is literally the most decorated newspaper in the history of the world, with a huge number of Pulitzer prizes, Peabodies, etc., and it's the aspirational career destination of top journalists around the world. Worldometers is an infotainment clearing house site which is infamous for not being transparent either about who runs the page or where their data comes from. It's so bad that Wikipedia won't even take links to them, any more, because their information just isn't considered reliable.
Anyway, the issue with Worldometers' Florida data is that Florida back-dates reported deaths. As such, they ALWAYS show a massive recent decline in deaths, which then ALWAYS gets adjusted upwards as new data comes in. That's been going on since 2021, and was designed to create an artificial decline:
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253796898.html
If you don't believe me, look for yourself:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220601122530/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
That's a web archive of the Worldometers site as of June 1. At the time, the most recent 7-day COVID death average in Florida, for May 31, was being reported as 2. Just 2 people died of COVID, average per day, during that last week of May, according to that. Now compare to what the most recent Worldometers data was saying about May 31:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
Now it's saying the seven-day average for May 31 was 15.
That's not just a weird data glitch, either. Florida ALWAYS reports an artificially low number for its most recent data. For example:
That's May 1. At the time, they're saying the seven-day average for April 30 was 2. In the most recent data, they say the seven-day average for the same date was 14.
The NYT has actual reporters, so they know about the weird way Florida reports their data, and so they account for that, providing more accurate information. Worldometers, though, is just some Russian dude's personal website, and so he just has whatever Florida reports show up as if it were gospel, even when that means an apples-to-oranges comparison to other states.
Here's a story about Worldometers:
https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/05/world/worldometer-coronavirus-mystery/index.html
In 2021, 488 people in NYC were murdered, out of 8.85 million. So, that's about 0.15 people murdered per million per day. Florida has a population of 21.78 million. So, at 0.15/million/day, that would be 3.27 people per day. So, no, you're FAR more likely to die of COVID in Florida, even during this momentary lull, than to be murdered in NYC -- four or five times as likely, in fact.
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If Massachusetts has such low unemployment even with small businesses shutting down, that's FANTASTIC news, since it suggests that hiring by big businesses is more than outrunning whatever losses are happening with small businesses..... and since big businesses, on average, pay higher wages, with better benefits, and more labor protections than small businesses, that means things are improving even more rapidly than they would be if you had the same number of gains distributed evenly across company sizes.
Obviously.
What lie, specifically, do you think I told? Simply post the statement I made that you think was incorrect, and the evidence that shows it was incorrect.
uote Originally Posted by Mina View Post
Biden has at least tried to use the kinds of policies that more successful nations have used to reduce the COVID death toll. Unfortunately, such efforts have been largely thwarted by active resistance among Republicans and conservatives. ***Trump, by comparison, was directly responsible for higher COVID death tolls***, by way of poor leadership (e.g., his super-spreader events, his ridiculing of masking, his hype of snake-oil cures, his encouragement of complacency, and so on).
Liar.
More Americans died of Covid in 2021 (Biden) than 2020 (President Trump).
"The number of COVID-19 deaths recorded so far in 2021 has surpassed the total for 2020."
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...id-19-deaths-/
Biden has at least tried to use the kinds of policies that more successful nations have used to reduce the COVID death toll. Unfortunately, such efforts have been largely thwarted by active resistance among Republicans and conservatives. ***Trump, by comparison, was directly responsible for higher COVID death tolls***, by way of poor leadership (e.g., his super-spreader events, his ridiculing of masking, his hype of snake-oil cures, his encouragement of complacency, and so on).
Liar.
More Americans died of Covid in 2021 (Biden) than 2020 (President Trump).
"The number of COVID-19 deaths recorded so far in 2021 has surpassed the total for 2020."
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...id-19-deaths-/
Quote Originally Posted by Mina View Post
Biden has at least tried to use the kinds of policies that more successful nations have used to reduce the COVID death toll. Unfortunately, such efforts have been largely thwarted by active resistance among Republicans and conservatives. ***Trump, by comparison, was directly responsible for higher COVID death tolls***, by way of poor leadership (e.g., his super-spreader events, his ridiculing of masking, his hype of snake-oil cures, his encouragement of complacency, and so on).
Liar.
More Americans died of Covid in 2021 (Biden) than 2020 (President Trump).
"The number of COVID-19 deaths recorded so far in 2021 has surpassed the total for 2020."
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ms-accurate-there-were-more-covid-19-deaths-/
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Well, at least you admit that COVID is so much more a tool than it is a threat to public health.
Small business is a huge part of what makes this country great. Who doesn't want to be free to carve out his own small piece of the American dream? I mean besides a godless piece of shit like you?
Now don't get me wrong, big business definitely has its place, but so does small business. And by no means should big business be allowed to bury small business just because of a shitty little thing like COVID-19.
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