US COVID Failure

Earl said:
Oh, look, Missy is getting feisty.
I love it when you lose your self-control. It proves my opinion that you are a juvenile.

Just because you weren’t popular in high school doesn’t mean you are a bad person...well...

Go Sweety.
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Aww, I hurt Little Earl's delicate feelings. Grow a thicker skin, little one. The world is going to eat you alive.
 
Mina said:
Aww, I hurt Little Earl's delicate feelings. Grow a thicker skin, little one. The world is going to eat you alive.
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In the interest of transparency, I think homosexuality is a deviant, perverted abomination.

How about you, Missy?

If you would like to eat me, I’m available. Perhaps you prefer the gentler (?) sex.

Do you believe 6’2” and 195 lbs. to be little?
 
Earl said:
In the interest of transparency, I think homosexuality is a deviant, perverted abomination.

How about you....
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I think it's just a matter of personal preference, like whether you prefer blondes or brunettes. So, I don't mind the crush you have on Truth Detector. I have high hopes you kids can work it out. I just think the public fellatio is a bit unseemly.
 
Mina said:
I think it's just a matter of personal preference, like whether you prefer blondes or brunettes. So, I don't mind the crush you have on Truth Detector. I have high hopes you kids can work it out. I just think the public fellatio is a bit unseemly.
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You do public fellatio, Sweety? How about private fellatio?

When?
 
Mina said:
Why? Keep in mind, the NYT is literally the most decorated newspaper in the history of the world, with a huge number of Pulitzer prizes, Peabodies, etc., and it's the aspirational career destination of top journalists around the world. Worldometers is an infotainment clearing house site which is infamous for not being transparent either about who runs the page or where their data comes from. It's so bad that Wikipedia won't even take links to them, any more, because their information just isn't considered reliable.

Anyway, the issue with Worldometers' Florida data is that Florida back-dates reported deaths. As such, they ALWAYS show a massive recent decline in deaths, which then ALWAYS gets adjusted upwards as new data comes in. That's been going on since 2021, and was designed to create an artificial decline:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253796898.html

If you don't believe me, look for yourself:

https://web.archive.org/web/20220601122530/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

That's a web archive of the Worldometers site as of June 1. At the time, the most recent 7-day COVID death average in Florida, for May 31, was being reported as 2. Just 2 people died of COVID, average per day, during that last week of May, according to that. Now compare to what the most recent Worldometers data was saying about May 31:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

Now it's saying the seven-day average for May 31 was 15.

That's not just a weird data glitch, either. Florida ALWAYS reports an artificially low number for its most recent data. For example:

That's May 1. At the time, they're saying the seven-day average for April 30 was 2. In the most recent data, they say the seven-day average for the same date was 14.

The NYT has actual reporters, so they know about the weird way Florida reports their data, and so they account for that, providing more accurate information. Worldometers, though, is just some Russian dude's personal website, and so he just has whatever Florida reports show up as if it were gospel, even when that means an apples-to-oranges comparison to other states.

Here's a story about Worldometers:

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/05/world/worldometer-coronavirus-mystery/index.html



In 2021, 488 people in NYC were murdered, out of 8.85 million. So, that's about 0.15 people murdered per million per day. Florida has a population of 21.78 million. So, at 0.15/million/day, that would be 3.27 people per day. So, no, you're FAR more likely to die of COVID in Florida, even during this momentary lull, than to be murdered in NYC -- four or five times as likely, in fact.
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everyone is more trustworthy than the NYT and we don't care how frequently you deny it......so fuck off.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
but Worldhealth meters is more trustworthy than the NYT and we don't care how frequently you deny it......
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Why? And did you check that Florida information I shared, to confirm that their weird reporting methods ALWAYS show a fake rapid decline in COVID in the most recent data (only to be fixed later)?
 
One of the more hilarious articles on herd immunity and vaccination I’ve encountered has, once again, been written by an epidemiologist: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-03/herd-immunity-dropped- as-solution-to-covid-pandemic/101123292

This gentleman is poking fun at people who “were attached to the now-discredited notion of letting a dangerous virus rip through the population to reach the critical level of population immunity needed to reduce transmission.” It’s ironic that this epidemiologist dares to make such a statement as it quickly becomes crystal clear from his illiterate talk that he doesn’t even understand what herd immunity is all about.

In the case of acute, self-limiting viral infections that have the potential to spread asymptomatically (e.g., SARS-CoV-2), there is no immune mechanism other than sterilizing immunity that could lead to the “possible elimination or eradication” of SARS-CoV-2 that this windbag is alluding to. As none of the C-19 vaccines (including those that are in the pipeline) are capable of inducing sterilizing immunity, and as SARS-CoV-2 can spread asymptomatically, his idea that “when available and taken up at sufficient levels — [vaccines] could squash virus transmission” is completely nonsensical to begin with. He then goes further to make a mistake so egregious that it deeply perplexes me: he links an increased vaccination rate to a higher level of herd immunity (HI) and to a lower susceptibility of the population to infection! Here is the analogy he uses (quite literally) to describe how herd immunity works: “In fact, much like a bushfire goes out when it runs out of fuel to burn, an epidemic begins to decline when the virus runs out of susceptible people to infect.” He obviously is fully unaware of the real science that provides compelling evidence that vaccinees are not less, but more susceptible to infection! Unfortunately, even that information would be unlikely to help him understand the interactions between population-level immune pressure and the evolutionary dynamics of the virus. He believes that less effective vaccines (which, I assume, to him includes vaccines that, although protective against severe disease, enhance the susceptibility of vaccinees to infection) simply require more people to get vaccinated to achieve HI (“In short, the more infectious the virus and the less effective the vaccine, the more people you need to vaccinate to achieve herd immunity” or: “the greater the proportion of the population vaccinated, the more difficult it becomes for the virus to spread.”) According to the author, it doesn’t matter that HI is out of reach—we can compensate for the low level of HI by “other behavioral and environmental measures”! How shallow can one’s understanding of this virus-host immune ecosystem be to not even grasp that diminished transmission does not always equal diminished transmissibility of the virus (or, for that matter, diminished susceptibility of the population or enhanced HI, all of which are synonymous)? Diminished viral transmission only equals enhanced HI in the case intervention directed at diminishing viral transmission does not result in enhanced viral transmissibility! Especially with the advent of Omicron, C-19 vaccination has led to the expansion of the part of the population that is endowed with infection-enhancing antibodies (i.e., non-neutralizing antibodies), which are now increasing the susceptibility of the vaccinees (but not of the unvaccinated) to infection and (mild to moderate) disease. How on earth could one even envisage, let alone propose, that this shortcoming (i.e., lack of HI) could be

made up for by “other behavioral and environmental measures (such as physical distancing, wearing masks and improving ventilation)”?

Again, current vaccines that reduce transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in vaccinees are not reducing viral transmissibility at the population level! This is because the dominant propagation of more infectious variants (a direct consequence of mass vaccination!) combined with the enhanced susceptibility of vaccinees to infection with these very same variants increases viral infection and (mild to moderate) disease rates largely beyond what can be compensated for by diminished viral transmission in vaccinees, even if combined with other behavioral and environmental measures. In other words, reducing viral shedding (amongst vaccinees) is completely futile if this implies enhanced susceptibility of this part of the population to the dominantly circulating variant. This is analogous to continuously ridding your bedroom of dust in a way that increasingly accumulates only the part of dust that you’ve become most allergic to. Will that cleaning operation make you less susceptible to an allergic reaction? No, it won’t— on the contrary, you will now be exclusively exposed to the type of dust you’re becoming increasingly allergic to!

The epidemiologist goes on to state that “based on what we know about currently circulating viral variants, today, herd immunity via vaccination is mathematically impossible.” Clearly, relying on vaccination to achieve HI during a pandemic has nothing to do with mathematics—it has only to do with understanding that ‘leaky’, ‘imperfect’ vaccines are inevitably doing exactly the opposite of what HI does in that they increase (instead of decrease) the proportion of people that become susceptible to infection. Mass C-19 vaccination, therefore, leads to enhanced herd susceptibility, not to herd immunity.

So why is it that epidemiologists who haven’t a clue about immunology or immune selection pressure engage in Op-eds on mass vaccination and herd immunity? They do not realize that mass vaccination throughout this pandemic has led to a disconnect between viral transmission and viral transmissibility to the same extent as viral infection rates have been disconnected from viral morbidity rates. Because of this, their contributions should be profoundly discredited. It is disgusting that their lack of insight into this complex ecosystem does not deter them from encouraging the broader public to hold on to the dangerous mantra that ‘more vaccination will help to control the C-19 pandemic while protecting the population from severe disease’. According to the uninformed viewpoint from this associate professor, this primary purpose of Covid vaccination will be achieved by continuing mass vaccination campaigns in combination with other behavioral and environmental measures. Little does he know that mass vaccination cannot reduce viral transmission without eventually increasing viral transmissibility, and little does he understand that mass vaccination will not reduce viral disease without eventually increasing viral virulence. It will only be when people like him and others illiterate in these matters discover (unfortunately, ‘the hard way’) the disastrous consequences of their ill-fated advice on future morbidity and mortality rates that they may begin to realize the level of their incompetence and stupidity.

In summary, I am rephrasing his concluding remarks as follows (I changed the part in bold):
“Right now, at the start of winter and with few COVID restrictions, it has never been more important to

ensure you ......stay away from the vaccines.
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https://www.voiceforscienceandsolid...voice-their-opinions-on-c-19-mass-vaccination
 
Mina said:
No, but I'm sure I've got nothing you're interested in. I don't have the same "assets" as Truth Detector.
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Well, whatever your assets, if you are a biological female...

I believe TD abhors perversion, as do I.

Are you working on that veracity problem?
 
Mina said:
Why? And did you check that Florida information I shared, to confirm that their weird reporting methods ALWAYS show a fake rapid decline in COVID in the most recent data (only to be fixed later)?
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no.....I'm not wasting my time with any more lib'rul lies......you can look at the running average on worldmeters and see a continuous decline......nothing fake involved except your objections......
 
Well, the silence is deafening.

My esposa has prepared an early cena...fried pork tenderloin, grits, and biscuits with gravy. Normally a breakfast meal but excellent at any time.

Mas tarde.
 
as usual Miss Mina relies on her middle school analytical skills to attempt to make a point.

she just might want to factor in life span differences, racial make up and a host of other medical factors that are unique to America.

but that would not suit the desired outcome even if she had realized it mattered.
 
Mina said:
Biden has at least tried to use the kinds of policies that more successful nations have used to reduce the COVID death toll. Unfortunately, such efforts have been largely thwarted by active resistance among Republicans and conservatives. Trump, by comparison, was directly responsible for higher COVID death tolls, by way of poor leadership (e.g., his super-spreader events, his ridiculing of masking, his hype of snake-oil cures, his encouragement of complacency, and so on).
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Yawn. The dementia ridden fuck is a mass murderer. Kill yourself.
 
Mina said:
Most people don't grasp the sheer magnitude of the US's failure when it comes to COVID. When you look at how many extra deaths we've had, during the pandemic, versus what we would have expected given pre-pandemic mortality rates, it makes so many other things we worry about look trivial -- like a rounding error in the big picture. Whether we're talking school shootings or terrorism or war deaths, so much of what we fret about just doesn't come close.

Over a period of this length, we should have had about 6.5 million deaths, based on pre-pandemic mortality rates. Instead, we've had about 7.6 million. That 1.1 million extra deaths, thanks to COVID, is 17% mortality elevation. Much of that was avoidable. Japan and Germany, the next two biggest wealthy nations, had excess deaths of 0% and 4%, respectively. Canada, arguably the nation that's closest to us in terms of level of isolation and cultural issues, had 3%. Even within the US, some individual states managed to have much lower mortality elevation, despite dense populations and little isolation, like Massachusetts at a little under 8%.

So, think about what that would mean if we, as a nation, had managed to do as well as Canada.... or even just Massachusetts. We'd be talking about a death toll somewhere between 200,000 and 500,000, instead of 1.1 million. Thus, we can say the cost of our failure, was something like 750,000 extra deaths.

Now, compare that to the kinds of issues we spend so much time discussing (and remember, I'm not counting all COVID deaths... just those we could realistically have avoided merely by performing on par with most advanced societies.)

Wars? 7,051 US soldiers died in Iraq and Afghanistan combined. That's not even a week's worth of COVID deaths. In fact, you could add all the Americans killed in every war in our history, other than the Civil War, and not reach 750,000. Think about that: Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, WWII, WWI, the Spanish-American War, the Mexican War, 1812, the Revolutionary War, countless Indian Wars and police actions, all totaled, and still fewer dead than than the mortality caused by our incompetence in handling COVID.

Terrorism? Well, our extra COVID death toll is like suffering a 9/11 attack every single month for 20 straight years. Every four days or so, on average, our incompetent handling of COVID was killing more Americans than all the terrorist attacks in history combined.

School shootings? At the current rate of school homicides (36/year), the 750,000 who needlessly died because we botched COVID response is like nearly 21,000 years of such school massacres.
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Actually, here is a covid failure you tRump dog shit ass kissers should consider:
Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame

Since May 2021, people living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden. That's according to a new analysis by NPR that examines how political polarization and misinformation are driving a significant share of the deaths in the pandemic.

NPR looked at deaths per 100,000 people in roughly 3,000 counties across the U.S. from May 2021, the point at which vaccinations widely became available. People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.73 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates.

In October, the reddest tenth of the country saw death rates that were six times higher than the bluest tenth, according to Charles Gaba, an independent health care analyst who's been tracking partisanship trends during the pandemic and helped to review NPR's methodology. Those numbers have dropped slightly in recent weeks, Gaba says: "It's back down to around 5.5 times higher."
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...isinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

With President Biden, COVID cases dropped 40%

COVID-19 cases drop by 40% in US

The COVID-19 surge caused by the Omicron variant continues to recede in the United States, with the nation reporting a 7-day average of 175,492 new daily cases, with 2,458 daily deaths, according to the Washington Post tracker.

New daily cases fell 42% in the past week, deaths fell 6%, and hospitalizations fell 19%.

The United States reported 32,531 new COVID-19 cases yesterday, and 441 deaths, according to the Johns Hopkins COVID-19 tracker.

The drop in cases—almost 2 years into the pandemic—has caused lawmakers across both sides of the ails to dismantle pandemic restrictions in states and cities.

Late last week, Republican members of Congress said it was time for President Biden to end the COVID-19 public health emergency (PHE), which is set to expire on Apr 15.

"Although the PHE was certainly necessary at the outset of the pandemic, it was always meant to be temporary. Our country is now in a much different situation than we were when the PHE was originally enacted," the GOP members of Congress wrote in a letter, according to National Public Radio."
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/02/covid-19-cases-drop-40-us
 
gemini104104 said:
Actually, here is a covid failure you tRump dog shit ass kissers should consider:
Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame

Since May 2021, people living in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that went for now-President Biden. That's according to a new analysis by NPR that examines how political polarization and misinformation are driving a significant share of the deaths in the pandemic.

NPR looked at deaths per 100,000 people in roughly 3,000 counties across the U.S. from May 2021, the point at which vaccinations widely became available. People living in counties that went 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.73 times the death rates of those that went for Biden. Counties with an even higher share of the vote for Trump saw higher COVID-19 mortality rates.

In October, the reddest tenth of the country saw death rates that were six times higher than the bluest tenth, according to Charles Gaba, an independent health care analyst who's been tracking partisanship trends during the pandemic and helped to review NPR's methodology. Those numbers have dropped slightly in recent weeks, Gaba says: "It's back down to around 5.5 times higher."
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...isinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

With President Biden, COVID cases dropped 40%

COVID-19 cases drop by 40% in US

The COVID-19 surge caused by the Omicron variant continues to recede in the United States, with the nation reporting a 7-day average of 175,492 new daily cases, with 2,458 daily deaths, according to the Washington Post tracker.

New daily cases fell 42% in the past week, deaths fell 6%, and hospitalizations fell 19%.

The United States reported 32,531 new COVID-19 cases yesterday, and 441 deaths, according to the Johns Hopkins COVID-19 tracker.

The drop in cases—almost 2 years into the pandemic—has caused lawmakers across both sides of the ails to dismantle pandemic restrictions in states and cities.

Late last week, Republican members of Congress said it was time for President Biden to end the COVID-19 public health emergency (PHE), which is set to expire on Apr 15.

"Although the PHE was certainly necessary at the outset of the pandemic, it was always meant to be temporary. Our country is now in a much different situation than we were when the PHE was originally enacted," the GOP members of Congress wrote in a letter, according to National Public Radio."
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/02/covid-19-cases-drop-40-us
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This seems to have been posted as a reply to the wrong comment, since I'm about as far from pro-Trump as people get. I think Biden's results on COVID haven't been great (we continue to do worse than other leading nations), but he's at least TRYING to do the right thing, which is more than you can say for Trump. Biden has, however, faced a huge amount of resistance from conservatives and Republicans, which has really limited the effectiveness of his efforts. The GOP has become effectively pro-COVID, since they regard COVID deaths as politically advantageous now.
 
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