Unaware that you are a Putin supporter?

Putin is willing to support anyone who hurts the west. He was the KGB handler for a Neo-Nazi named Rainer Sonntag in Germany.



I am sure you hear some very interesting, but not truthful news from Putin's sources.



A terrorist group in West Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction

I don't know what Putin may have done as a KGB agent. But according to American news, one of his reasons for invading the Ukraine is because of the Nazis there. Next, after the Berlin wall and all the cold war crap, anybody in West Germany who supported the commies is a piece of shit.
 
I support ITS NOT OUR WAR
Ukraine is a notoriously corrupt society, and it's divided along pro-Russian pr0-Kyiv
(which thanks to USA meddling and weaponization) had turned into a hostile existential threat to Russia

Which doesn't mean I support Putin either..i want no parts of it or funding it it

We have now spent $54 billion , depleted our high tech weapons like Javelin, and cant replace them because of parts shortages..
I wonder if you know what $54 billion could so for our nonexistent border security?
$54 billion is more then the USA spent on ALL roads and bridges last year for perspective
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You seem like an inquiring mind that does their own research and doesnt swallow partisan trash
Everything I just told you about the Maidan, and the aftermath is 100% fact not a conspiracy

You are right. It's not our war. But anybody who is against Russia must be doing something right. As for weaponizing the Ukraine, the U.S. wasn't doing much of that until Russia invaded them. And it is FAR better doing that then it was arming anti-Western muslims in Afghanistan to help them against the Russians. One of the items they received were stinger antiaircraft missiles. Which, coincidently soon after the Chinese began making carbon copies of. In that whole deal, the Russians were the good guys. As for most of the rest, that is a whole different can of worms. Also, I pointed out everything about the Ukraine's revolution that needs to be said.
 
You are right. It's not our war. But anybody who is against Russia must be doing something right. As for weaponizing the Ukraine, the U.S. wasn't doing much of that until Russia invaded them.
you can be for or against Russia (whatever the fuck that means) - jamming NATO expansion down Russia's throat is an aggressive posture for a so called "defensive organization"

We we selling them Javelins under Trump - part of a 1/2 billion package - i'd call that "much of" weaponization
 
That's why i cited Gantz. He works off the now available Russian archives. The Red Army was a mess when Germany invaded. Germany failed to beat England in the air, and had no navy to speak of. Without the latter, the British weren't being defeated. Seelöwe was a joke. There was no way Germany would have succeeded in an amphibious assault of England even with air superiority. On land, the British--on their own--were screwed. The Germans rolled over them repeatedly. Greece, then Crete, then N. Africa. Without massive US aid, they would have lost the later and barely won there.

https://www.amazon.com/Stumbling-Colossus-World-Modern-Studies/dp/0700617892

Hitler invaded Russia because he planned to invade Russia as part of his expansion of German territory. Again, without massive US aid to Russia that front would likely have ended in a stalemate with Germany occupying much of Soviet Russia West of Moscow. The Russians / Stalin didn't know prior to getting into the war with Germany that the British or Americans would support anything he did.

As I stated, at the time Russia was invaded, they were in the middle of a huge reorganization of their military forces and reequipping them with a new generation of materials like the T34, the LaGG 3, Yak 5, KV heavy tank, and new artillery. Units were being reorganized too with new tables of organization. Most armored units still had the obsolescent "Sparrow Shooters" like the BT series or T 26 light tanks.

The Red Army had just fought two serious conflicts and paid heavily in both in material and manpower, one against Japan and the other against Finland. Both showed their leadership that serious changes needed to be made and that they were in no shape to take on Germany.

On Suvorov, he has been thoroughly debunked as a source.


I say one thing and you say another. But you are full of crap. Anything you hear in the way of history is most likely wrong. Russian archives be damned. You will believe what you're told to believe. Either by Gantz or anybody else who spreads the lying filth that the Nazis were the bad guys. And as for who knew what, you would probably do best to take the word of somebody who was in a position to know. Such as an ex-Soviet military intelligence officer. As for England, Germany could have beaten them if they wanted to. Apparently they just didn't want to. Just like when they defeated France, they weren't interested in claiming the country. They set up Vichy France for them to largely govern themselves. For the parts of France that Germany did take, that was probably as defense against the Allies. Had Germany won the war, they would have probably returned most of what they did take back to the French.

Next, as I told you, FDR tried to form an alliance with Russia before Germany preemptively invaded Russia. Because he viewed Germany to be a bigger threat than Russia. If you don't believe it, look it up yourself. It might also interest you to know that FDR planned to have the Japanese attack. He also knew that they were going to attack. The attack on Pearl Harbor was no "surprise." It was a false flag operation to get the U.S. involved in WW II. The Japanese probably knew that they had been set up when they attacked and found that the the aircraft carriers, our most important ships, were "conveniently" out to sea at the time.

Next, the Red army never fought against the Japanese. There were a couple of incidents that were considered to be border skirmishes. But there was no real major fighting between Russia and Japan until after the U.S. A-bombed Hiroshima. There was a time before then when the Japanese navy defeated the Russian navy. But that was before the communists even took over Russia.
 
That his reason for the war was to remove the Nazi element. That has nothing to do with his motivation. And any Nazis in Ukraine have no more skin in the game than any other Ukranian. So yes, yours is a false choice. Absurdly false. You either oppose or support Putin. It's a simple choice, your attempt to cloud the issue is an utter fail.

I never said that part of Putins reason to invade the Ukraine was because of the Nazi elements there. That is just what he told his people. Next, as I said, if you support the Ukraine you must also support the Nazis there. So given the choice between supporting Nazis or Putin, which would you choose.
 
you can be for or against Russia (whatever the fuck that means) - jamming NATO expansion down Russia's throat is an aggressive posture for a so called "defensive organization"

We we selling them Javelins under Trump - part of a 1/2 billion package - i'd call that "much of" weaponization

The U.S. never jammed NATO expansion down Russia's throat. The Ukrainians got rid of their pro-Russian president years ago. And up until the invasion, the Ukraine still hadn't joined NATO. Seems to me that if they wanted to, they would have done so years ago. Next, the U.S. is selling a lot of people weapons all the time. Either legally illegally. So there's no argument to be made there.
 
But according to American news, one of his reasons for invading the Ukraine is because of the Nazis there.

Once again, we get our news from very different sources. Russia claims that Ukraine is full of Nazis, and that the "real Ukrainians" will greet the Russians as liberators. There are some American news sources that parrot the Russian propaganda, but I do not get my news from them.
 
Either the holodomor happened or it didn't. Either jews controlled Russia or they didn't. Just out of curiosity, are you White? And not a "white jew."

Stalin went after Jews after WWII. People of Jewish ancestry had some power in the USSR, but non-Jews had the vast majority.

I am Jewish, and white. If you want to call that "white Jewish", I am fine with that.
 
Once again, we get our news from very different sources. Russia claims that Ukraine is full of Nazis, and that the "real Ukrainians" will greet the Russians as liberators. There are some American news sources that parrot the Russian propaganda, but I do not get my news from them.

Of course, you have to take any news with a grain of salt. But I get my news mostly from the CBS and ABC nightly news. I don't speak Russian. But they showed Putin speaking once and translated what he said is that one of his reasons for the "conflict" in the Ukraine was because of the pro-Nazis there. There is no parroting what is going on. They just showed what he said. They weren't claiming Putin was being truthful by any means. In fact, all of the news I see seems to be anti-Putin. As it should be.
 
I say one thing and you say another. But you are full of crap. Anything you hear in the way of history is most likely wrong. Russian archives be damned. You will believe what you're told to believe. Either by Gantz or anybody else who spreads the lying filth that the Nazis were the bad guys. And as for who knew what, you would probably do best to take the word of somebody who was in a position to know. Such as an ex-Soviet military intelligence officer. As for England, Germany could have beaten them if they wanted to. Apparently they just didn't want to. Just like when they defeated France, they weren't interested in claiming the country. They set up Vichy France for them to largely govern themselves. For the parts of France that Germany did take, that was probably as defense against the Allies. Had Germany won the war, they would have probably returned most of what they did take back to the French.

Next, as I told you, FDR tried to form an alliance with Russia before Germany preemptively invaded Russia. Because he viewed Germany to be a bigger threat than Russia. If you don't believe it, look it up yourself. It might also interest you to know that FDR planned to have the Japanese attack. He also knew that they were going to attack. The attack on Pearl Harbor was no "surprise." It was a false flag operation to get the U.S. involved in WW II. The Japanese probably knew that they had been set up when they attacked and found that the the aircraft carriers, our most important ships, were "conveniently" out to sea at the time.

Next, the Red army never fought against the Japanese. There were a couple of incidents that were considered to be border skirmishes. But there was no real major fighting between Russia and Japan until after the U.S. A-bombed Hiroshima. There was a time before then when the Japanese navy defeated the Russian navy. But that was before the communists even took over Russia.

There is so much wrong with that it hurts. But I dare you to take all that to this website and post it in one section or another.

https://forum.axishistory.com/

Real historians and experts--like me--will demolish you.
 
Of course, you have to take any news with a grain of salt.

I find the alt right simply does not believe any news that does not confirm their opinions. If Biden sees falling unemployment, it must be a lie. If trump sees rising unemployment, it must be a lie.

I realize that not all facts confirm my opinions. That is just life.
 
I heard that Stalin had planned a pogrom against Russian jews. But he died before he could get the ball rolling. Though that is what I heard through our media. The same media that spreads the bullshit that there was a holocaust. Which probably means that is crap too. Next, if you are jewish you can't consider yourself to be White. You're either a semite or a traitor. Because most jews don't consider themselves to be White. I will show you what some of them have to say on the matter. It is just a small example.

jewish filth 3.jpg Begin scum.jpg


Also, most if not all of the Russian leadership were jewish. I will show a couple pictures of them. Then I will show you a picture of a Nobel Laureate named Alexandyr Solzhenitsyn. He was a Russian historian and novelist.

jew commie scum.jpg commiejews.jpg


Solzhenitsyn.jpg
 
The U.S. never jammed NATO expansion down Russia's throat. The Ukrainians got rid of their pro-Russian president years ago. And up until the invasion, the Ukraine still hadn't joined NATO. Seems to me that if they wanted to, they would have done so years ago. Next, the U.S. is selling a lot of people weapons all the time. Either legally illegally. So there's no argument to be made there.
1. you SERIOUSLY need to do some research. to the bolded they were not qualified to be part of NATO.
One reason is the systemic corruption.

2.Then you say the weapons were no biggie - i refute that -and you lamely say
"well the US sells weapons all the time" -so what? we armed Ukraine with top quality NATO weapons
which made Ukraine a defacto NATO state, and an existential threat to Russia
Ukrainians got rid of their pro-Russian president years ago.
the Maidan was 2014
I already showed you the USA fomented that protest into a revolution..

do you even understand the Nuland intercepted phone call?? "Fuck the EU"

State Department Official Caught on Tape Saying "F-ck the EU"
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ment-official-caught-tape-saying-f-eu/357812/
thanks to a leaked phone conversation, Victoria Nuland's international relationships might be a bit awkward right now.
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it showed we were pulling the strings on the new government as well as fomenting the removal of the pro-Russian president

up your game
 
False choice. I support neither. Your premise assumes that Putin is telling the truth. He isn't. This has nothing to do with how many 'Nazis' are in Ukraine. Hell, we've got Nazis RUNNING our country. I guess Putin needs to invade, eh?

While Russia's rootin' tootin' Putin is vying for Christiananality pedophilia master race status killing Ukrainians in that Mengele "Angel of Death" concentration camp tradition of WW II which was the Catholic Church bartering Islam oil to Nazi Germany for Jewish Holocaust deaths to continue that Islam medical pseudoscience fabricated virgin Mary misnomer immaculate son of Allah Jesus the Christ conception of "serve the Pope or die" which dominated this self anointed Christian Nation "one nation under God with equal justice under law" federal perjury for the later part of the last century with continued avoidance of thieving National Archives purchased US Constitutions - old glorys presented by Ike to Holocaust survivors for USA business excellence & Israel hand scribed old testaments arsonists acceptance of the Islamidotocracy "death to the infidels"; but then again cross conditioned crusade - jihad way beyond therapy as suicidal super egos cognitive dissonance sociopsychopathilogical homicidal human farming is such an outstanding Peter Principle pyramid scheme Freudian slip behavior beyond the pleasure principle in stereotyping
 
The same media that spreads the bullshit that there was a holocaust.

And Fortify comes out as not just a Neo-Nazi, but as boring as it sounds, a Neo-Nazi who denies the Holocaust.

Next, if you are jewish you can't consider yourself to be White. You're either a semite or a traitor. Because most jews don't consider themselves to be White.

Race is a social construct, so is problematic to define, but most Americans (both Jewish and not Jewish) would define most American Jews as white.


I am not good at identifying most supposed Russian Jewish communists, but I do recognize the first photo, it is Leon Trotsky. Trotsky was not a Stalin supporter, and in fact opposed Stalin so much that Stalin had him killed.
 
I never said that part of Putins reason to invade the Ukraine was because of the Nazi elements there. That is just what he told his people. Next, as I said, if you support the Ukraine you must also support the Nazis there. So given the choice between supporting Nazis or Putin, which would you choose.

Which part of ‘neither’ are you having trouble with?

Supporting an institution is not equivalent to supporting all of its members.
 
1. you SERIOUSLY need to do some research. to the bolded they were not qualified to be part of NATO.
One reason is the systemic corruption.

2.Then you say the weapons were no biggie - i refute that -and you lamely say
"well the US sells weapons all the time" -so what? we armed Ukraine with top quality NATO weapons
which made Ukraine a defacto NATO state, and an existential threat to Russia
the Maidan was 2014
I already showed you the USA fomented that protest into a revolution..

do you even understand the Nuland intercepted phone call?? "Fuck the EU"

State Department Official Caught on Tape Saying "F-ck the EU"
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ment-official-caught-tape-saying-f-eu/357812/
thanks to a leaked phone conversation, Victoria Nuland's international relationships might be a bit awkward right now.
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it showed we were pulling the strings on the new government as well as fomenting the removal of the pro-Russian president

up your game


Well "IF" the Ukraine wasn't qualified to join NATO, then the U.S. couldn't have been trying to jam NATO expansion down Russia's throat. Next, the U.S. is selling weapons all the time. You must know that. Unfortunately, in the conflict that Afghanistan had with Russia, we gave worthless, anti-Western muslims stinger missiles. That was far worse than anything. Next, they were saying on the news recently that Poland wanted to send mig fighters to Germany from where they could be flown to the Ukraine. Because the Ukrainians were familiar with Russian built fighters. If the U.S. was arming the Ukraine to the degree you suggest, wouldn't they have American fighters?

Also, none of that is the real problem. Some years ago I watched a couple news segments a couple days apart where they were talking about Chinese hackers. On both of the news programs they said that Chinese hackers have stolen most of, if not all of, our secret military technology. Also, we get most of our computer chips from Taiwan. They are kicking our ass in that regard. According to a news segment they did on 60 Minutes, they are going to continue to do so. Because they are investing much more in their company than any U.S. integrated circuit manufacturer is. Lastly, along with selling weapons, the U.S. is always getting involved in other countries affairs. It doesn't mean we rule the world.
 
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