Nice google, copy and paste Walt. You still do not know shit about anything. Fucking fake ass fraud.
Unaware that you are a Putin supporter?
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Nice google, copy and paste Walt. You still do not know shit about anything. Fucking fake ass fraud.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn has been dead for a decade and a half. He has nothing to say about Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
T. A. Gardner
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I don't know which "historian" you are citing, but they and you are wrong. Stalin was not about to invade Germany. The Red Army was in the middle of a major reorganization and reequipping at the time Germany invaded. Glanz, probably the current leading historian on the Great Patriotic War, in Stumbling Colossus shows this with absolute clarity. Stalin neither wanted nor could afford to attack Germany in 1941.
Most Russian forces arrayed in the West were in poor states of readiness, and the Red Army was beginning to build a new Stalin Line of defenses on their new border in Poland when Germany attacked.
Vichy France was the most notorious example of Nazi collaboration in WW2, and countries throughout Europe had Nazi collaborators.
I have not heard you demand that they be invaded.
By sheer body count, it could be said that Ukraine was the most anti-Nazi nation in Europe.
The war in the Ukraine is fertile ground for all sorts of conspiracies. But the basis for it is basically the same basis that just about every war in history has. Which is one group taking what another group has. In the bible the jews used the justification that land other people lived on was given to them by god. But it was just an excuse to do the same thing. It was such warfare that caused George Santayana to say once, "Only the dead have seen the end of war." Though all this is getting besides the point of my thread. There are many Nazi sympathizers in the Ukraine. So basically, if you don't support the Nazis, you support Putin. Which do you support.
Putin a supporter of neo-Nazis? From what I have been hearing on the news, that is one of the justifications that Putin is using to attack the Ukraine. Fighting the "Nazis" there. Also, I don't know what the "Red Army Faction" is. But Russia is well known for fermenting trouble with anybody who is against the U.S. Both sides probably do it just to keep their people in a dither. It makes them easier to control.
But he had much about to say about genocide. Such as the genocide carried out upon the Ukrainians. Putin's invasion of the Ukraine and basically carpet bombing civilian areas is just more of the same.
False choice. I support neither. Your premise assumes that Putin is telling the truth. He isn't. This has nothing to do with how many 'Nazis' are in Ukraine. Hell, we've got Nazis RUNNING our country. I guess Putin needs to invade, eh?
You are a very angry supporter of Putin.
I don't remember myself which historian said that Germany beat Russia to the punch by only one day when it came to launching an invasion. I looked but couldn't find him. Things have a tendency to disappear from the internet. From what I have seen, there was much documentation that became available after the collapse of Russia. But for those in the West, there is little interest in it. History as portrayed by the victors works well enough.
Though what I was speaking of also came from an officer of Soviet military intelligence who defected to the UK. His name was Vladmir Rezun. Under the pseudonym Viktor Suvorov, one of the books he wrote was called, "Icebreaker: Who started the Second World War." There were some who "debunked" what he had to say. But those who did the "debunking" were no doubt those who wanted to keep the history as stated by the victors intact.
You also say that Russia was in no position to attack Germany. If you think Germany was in any position to attack Russia, you are hallucinating. They failed to beat England. Only a fool would open two fronts under those circumstances. The only reason Germany would have attacked Russia was because Germany themselves were going to be attacked. Also, FDR thought that the Germans were a greater threat to world peace that Russia. (Boy, did history prove him wrong!) He secretly negotiated with the Russians. The Russians knew that in any conflict with Germany, they would have the backing of the allies. Most importantly, the U.S. So why wouldn't they want to attack the Germans.
No, true! Sure, a possible alliance with NATO may have had a little something to do with it. But mostly it was because Putin wanted to return the Ukraine into a Russian puppet state. And regain all their natural resources. Which are quite substantial. After all, apart from Russia itself, the Ukraine is the largest European country. In that regard, in many things, they are number #1 in Europe. Who wouldn't want to gain control of that. But Putin underestimated the Ukrainians.
No, it's an accurate choice. And what do you presume I presume Putin to be telling the truth about.
Putin is willing to support anyone who hurts the west. He was the KGB handler for a Neo-Nazi named Rainer Sonntag in Germany.
I am sure you hear some very interesting, but not truthful news from Putin's sources.
A terrorist group in West Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction
Geeko Sportivo
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NATO didn't invade the Ukraine!
Only a TRUMP AND PUTIN DICK SUCKER would blame NATO for POOTIE'S INVASION OF THE UKRAINE!
I support ITS NOT OUR WAR
Ukraine is a notoriously corrupt society, and it's divided along pro-Russian pr0-Kyiv
(which thanks to USA meddling and weaponization) had turned into a hostile existential threat to Russia
Which doesn't mean I support Putin either..i want no parts of it or funding it it
We have now spent $54 billion , depleted our high tech weapons like Javelin, and cant replace them because of parts shortages..
I wonder if you know what $54 billion could so for our nonexistent border security?
$54 billion is more then the USA spent on ALL roads and bridges last year for perspective
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You seem like an inquiring mind that does their own research and doesnt swallow partisan trash
Everything I just told you about the Maidan, and the aftermath is 100% fact not a conspiracy
T. A. Gardner
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That's why i cited Gantz. He works off the now available Russian archives. The Red Army was a mess when Germany invaded. Germany failed to beat England in the air, and had no navy to speak of. Without the latter, the British weren't being defeated. Seelöwe was a joke. There was no way Germany would have succeeded in an amphibious assault of England even with air superiority. On land, the British--on their own--were screwed. The Germans rolled over them repeatedly. Greece, then Crete, then N. Africa. Without massive US aid, they would have lost the later and barely won there.
https://www.amazon.com/Stumbling-Colossus-World-Modern-Studies/dp/0700617892
Hitler invaded Russia because he planned to invade Russia as part of his expansion of German territory. Again, without massive US aid to Russia that front would likely have ended in a stalemate with Germany occupying much of Soviet Russia West of Moscow. The Russians / Stalin didn't know prior to getting into the war with Germany that the British or Americans would support anything he did.
As I stated, at the time Russia was invaded, they were in the middle of a huge reorganization of their military forces and reequipping them with a new generation of materials like the T34, the LaGG 3, Yak 5, KV heavy tank, and new artillery. Units were being reorganized too with new tables of organization. Most armored units still had the obsolescent "Sparrow Shooters" like the BT series or T 26 light tanks.
The Red Army had just fought two serious conflicts and paid heavily in both in material and manpower, one against Japan and the other against Finland. Both showed their leadership that serious changes needed to be made and that they were in no shape to take on Germany.
On Suvorov, he has been thoroughly debunked as a source.
That his reason for the war was to remove the Nazi element. That has nothing to do with his motivation. And any Nazis in Ukraine have no more skin in the game than any other Ukranian. So yes, yours is a false choice. Absurdly false. You either oppose or support Putin. It's a simple choice, your attempt to cloud the issue is an utter fail.