Fl voter laws tossed by judge

Poor Richard Saunders said:
Congress passed the Voter Rights Act. The judge ruled the Florida law violated the Federal law that Congress passed.

The judge also pointed out that if states can pass laws the violate the right to vote as established in the Constitution then states can pass laws violating any rights in the Constitution so they could ban guns or outlaw religions. I guess you didn't realize that the right to vote was in the US Constitution. It is the one right that is named more than once.
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It’s the right republicans hate the most
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Do you not know the meaning of the term "severability?"
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???....yes.....I do.....but we are talking about drop boxes which were used illegally in 2020 and which the state legislature set standards for...the judge specifically said the restriction was unconstitutional and reinstated the previous improperly set procedure....he has no authority to set a standard for the use of drop boxes which has NEVER been approved by the state legislature........now tell us what you believe severability has to do with that....
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Congress passed the Voter Rights Act. The judge ruled the Florida law violated the Federal law that Congress passed.

The judge also pointed out that if states can pass laws the violate the right to vote as established in the Constitution then states can pass laws violating any rights in the Constitution so they could ban guns or outlaw religions. I guess you didn't realize that the right to vote was in the US Constitution. It is the one right that is named more than once.
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stating that drop boxes must be kept in supervised locations does not violate anyone's right to vote......and laws that apply to 100% of voters obviously do not discriminate against any voter.....

but the issue isn't whether a judge can decide if a law is uncostitutional.......it is whether he can order that drop boxes in unsupervised locations can remain in use when no state statute authorizing such placement has ever been passed.......he does not have the authority to permit any type of drop boxes to be used.....neither do governors, county officials or voting precinct officals.......
 
AProudLefty said:
So you say.
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this isn't rocket science.......the constitution says only the state legislature can set the rules.........the state legislature has never approved the unsupervised lock boxes......in fact they have specifically prohibited them......are unsupervised drop boxes whether approved by a county precinct manager or a federal judge unconstitutional or not?.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
???....yes.....I do.....but we are talking about drop boxes which were used illegally in 2020 and which the state legislature set standards for...the judge specifically said the restriction was unconstitutional and reinstated the previous improperly set procedure....he has no authority to set a standard for the use of drop boxes which has NEVER been approved by the state legislature........now tell us what you believe severability has to do with that....
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Uh uh... and where did you get this from?
What drop boxes were used illegally in 2020? What procedure are you claiming was improperly set?
Do you even know what the election law was in 2020 that had been passed by the legislature? It appears not since you are claiming drop boxes were illegal in that election.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Uh uh... and where did you get this from?
What drop boxes were used illegally in 2020? What procedure are you claiming was improperly set?
Do you even know what the election law was in 2020 that had been passed by the legislature? It appears not since you are claiming drop boxes were illegal in that election.
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are you for fucking real?........are you totally unaware of the 2020 election.......why did you think the Florida legislature passed the laws they did......of course unsupervised lock boxes were illegal in 2020.......that wasn't done under rules set by the state legislature........it was done by county election officials in violation of the US constitution.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
this isn't rocket science.......the constitution says only the state legislature can set the rules.........the state legislature has never approved the unsupervised lock boxes......in fact they have specifically prohibited them......are unsupervised drop boxes whether approved by a county precinct manager or a federal judge unconstitutional or not?.....
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You claimed they were used illegally in 2020.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
stating that drop boxes must be kept in supervised locations does not violate anyone's right to vote......and laws that apply to 100% of voters obviously do not discriminate against any voter.....

but the issue isn't whether a judge can decide if a law is uncostitutional.......it is whether he can order that drop boxes in unsupervised locations can remain in use when no state statute authorizing such placement has ever been passed.......he does not have the authority to permit any type of drop boxes to be used.....neither do governors, county officials or voting precinct officals.......
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OMG. You are a complete idiot.
The judge's ruling states that the changes made under SB 90 are unconstitutional and in violation of federal law so the previous law before those changes would be in effect.
That previous law states that drop boxes SHALL be used in certain locations and MAY be used in other locations. So the judge is saying that the law the legislature previously passed is in effect. The judge is not authorizing drop boxes. The law passed by the legislature MANDATES drop boxes.

This is the law from 2019.
https://files.floridados.gov/media/701842/2019-election-code.pdf
(2) The supervisor shall allow an elector who has
received a vote-by-mail ballot to physically return a
voted vote-by-mail ballot to the supervisor by placing the
envelope containing his or her marked ballot in a secure
drop box. Secure drop boxes shall be placed at the main
office of the supervisor, at each branch office of the
supervisor, and at each early voting site. Secure drop
boxes may also be placed at any other site that would
otherwise qualify as an early voting site under s.
101.657(1); provided, however, that any such site
must be staffed during the county’s early voting hours of operation by an employee of the supervisor’s office or
a sworn law enforcement officer.
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Nowhere does the judge require that drop boxes not be supervised. He only ruled that the law prior to being amended was the law that should remain in effect. The judge didn't write that law the legislature did.

What SB90 does is change the law to only allow the drop boxes to be open during certain hours, specifically closing the boxes at times when blacks are more likely to drop off their ballots. Not only did the court see this in the evidence, the court also saw that the legislature had this evidence before they specified which times the box offices would not be available.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
are you for fucking real?........are you totally unaware of the 2020 election.......why did you think the Florida legislature passed the laws they did......of course unsupervised lock boxes were illegal in 2020.......that wasn't done under rules set by the state legislature........it was done by county election officials in violation of the US constitution.....
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Really?? Care to point to where in the 2019 law it requires that lock boxes must be supervised at all times or they are illegal?

(2) The supervisor shall allow an elector who has
received a vote-by-mail ballot to physically return a
voted vote-by-mail ballot to the supervisor by placing the
envelope containing his or her marked ballot in a secure
drop box. Secure drop boxes shall be placed at the main
office of the supervisor, at each branch office of the
supervisor, and at each early voting site. Secure drop
boxes may also be placed at any other site that would
otherwise qualify as an early voting site under s.
101.657(1); provided, however, that any such site
must be staffed during the county’s early voting hours
of operation by an employee of the supervisor’s office or
a sworn law enforcement officer.
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I'm sorry but you don't get to make shit up that is not in the law and then claim that what you made up was passed by the legislature. You claimed you know more about the law than the judge but then you proceed to tell us lies about what is actually in the law passed by the legislature.
 
Why haven't rightys taken the time to explore how the voting system works. Do you know whose vote gets counted? Those whose names are on the precinct logbooks. If you ever voted, you give them your voters card(yes great ID, isn't it) then your name is looked up in the book to make sure you are in the right precinct and on the list. Then you sign your name on a voter card and it is compared to the one on record. If it is OK, you are handed a ballot. When you turn in your ballot, you are marked off as voted.
If someone tries to use your name to vote, the system prevents it. If a precinct is flooded with millions of bamboo ballots, they are trashed because their names are not in the book. They are not counted.If something happens like a person trying to vote twice, the police are summoned. They are there in case you have not noticed.
Mail-in ballots are routed to the proper precinct. They go through the same procedure.
We have developed a very good and safe system. Yes, I have volunteered in the elections a few times.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Really?? Care to point to where in the 2019 law it requires that lock boxes must be supervised at all times or they are illegal?

(2) The supervisor shall allow an elector who has
received a vote-by-mail ballot to physically return a
voted vote-by-mail ballot to the supervisor by placing the
envelope containing his or her marked ballot in a secure
drop box. Secure drop boxes shall be placed at the main
office of the supervisor, at each branch office of the
supervisor, and at each early voting site. Secure drop
boxes may also be placed at any other site that would
otherwise qualify as an early voting site under s.
101.657(1); provided, however, that any such site
must be staffed during the county’s early voting hours
of operation by an employee of the supervisor’s office or
a sworn law enforcement officer.
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I'm sorry but you don't get to make shit up that is not in the law and then claim that what you made up was passed by the legislature. You claimed you know more about the law than the judge but then you proceed to tell us lies about what is actually in the law passed by the legislature.
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I wonder why you didn't provide a link so we could see if you are lying?.......I've marked in red the parts that would clearly indicate a drop box left outside without supervision overnight would not be allowed.

The 2021 statute made sure the disaster of 2020 would not be repeated....

2)(a) The supervisor shall allow an elector who has received a vote-by-mail ballot to physically return a voted vote-by-mail ballot to the supervisor by placing the return mail envelope containing his or her marked ballot in a secure drop box. Secure drop boxes shall be placed at the main office of the supervisor, at each permanent branch office of the supervisor, and at each early voting site. Secure drop boxes may also be placed at any other site that would otherwise qualify as an early voting site under s. 101.657(1). Drop boxes must be geographically located so as to provide all voters in the county with an equal opportunity to cast a ballot, insofar as is practicable. Except for secure drop boxes at an office of the supervisor, a secure drop box may only be used during the county’s early voting hours of operation and must be monitored in person by an employee of the supervisor’s office. A secure drop box at an office of the supervisor must be continuously monitored in person by an employee of the supervisor’s office when the drop box is accessible for deposit of ballots.
(b) A supervisor shall designate each drop box site at least 30 days before an election. The supervisor shall provide the address of each drop box location to the division at least 30 days before an election. After a drop box location has been designated, it may not be moved or changed except as approved by the division to correct a violation of this subsection.
(c)1. On each day of early voting, all drop boxes must be emptied at the end of early voting hours and all ballots retrieved from the drop boxes must be returned to the supervisor’s office.
2. For drop boxes located at an office of the supervisor, all ballots must be retrieved before the drop box is no longer monitored by an employee of the supervisor.
3. Employees of the supervisor must comply with procedures for the chain of custody of ballots as required by s. 101.015(4).
(3) If any drop box is left accessible for ballot receipt other than as authorized by this section, the supervisor is subject to a civil penalty of $25,000. The division is authorized to enforce this provision.
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https://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2021/101.69
 
Nordberg said:
Why haven't rightys taken the time to explore how the voting system works. .
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the voting system varies from state to state depending on what the state legislatures say how it works.......the courts have already decided that the elections in WI and PA were not conducted in accordance with the way the system was supposed to work......we've just seen that the vote in FL also was not conducted properly. As I recall the Arizona audit also identified errors.

Any other questions?.....
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
OMG. You are a complete idiot.
The judge's ruling states that the changes made under SB 90 are unconstitutional and in violation of federal law so the previous law before those changes would be in effect.
That previous law states that drop boxes SHALL be used in certain locations and MAY be used in other locations.
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so the judge has ordered that all drop boxes shall be in staffed locations and only available when they are being monitored?.....good, that's all the 21 law provides....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I wonder why you didn't provide a link so we could see if you are lying?.......I've marked in red the parts that would clearly indicate a drop box left outside without supervision overnight would not be allowed.

The 2021 statute made sure the disaster of 2020 would not be repeated....



https://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2021/101.69
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The site must be staffed if it is NOT located at a main or branch office. It doesn't require that it be staffed 24/7 nor does it require that the drop box be supervised by someone in attendance with the drop box. For a drop box to be secure it doesn't require someone actually be there. Secure drop boxes were under video surveillance. Are you saying ATM's are not secure because they don't have a supervisor watching them?


I provided a link in the previous post to the one you quoted but here it is again.

https://files.floridados.gov/media/7...ction-code.pdf
 
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