Putin is not "crazy" and the west misunderstands tis war

martin said:
This is rubbish. Maybe social media gurus said Putin "failed" but the mainstream press certainly didn't. Basically the news was that Russia had invaded, the Ukrainians were resisting more forcibly than anticipated but Russia heavily outgunned them and the outcome remained to be seen.

"The systematic nature of the Russian assault" is a separate matter from the question of whether "Putin has last control of his senses." The question of Putin's "senses" goes to his decision to attack his neighbor in the first place, and the international peril that predictably has raised, not the military decisions being made to carry out the invasion.
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Long War Journal aint rubbish. It was my go to source on terrorism and Syria
are you claiming Putin is not a rational actor?
 
anatta said:
Just two days into Russia's invasion of Ukraine, U.S. Department of Defense briefers were quick to claim that failing to take Kyiv in the opening days of the war amounted to a serious setback.
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If Russian forces can take Kyiv and push southward to link up with forces on the Crimean front, thus splitting Ukraine in two, it would be a major blow to the Zelensky government.

What matters more than a handful of setbacks is that Russian forces have pushed 70 miles into contested terrain in less than a week and are on the outskirts of the capital.
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Wow. And you wonder why normal people consider you a Putin apologist and an #AmericanRussianAsset. Could you be any more obvious in your devotion to fascist warmongering dictators?
 
anatta said:
Poroshenko is now a political prisoner
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On 25 February 2022, amid the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Poroshenko appeared on TV with a Kalashnikov rifle together with the civil defense forces on the streets of Kyiv.


Political prisoner? I’m beginning to wonder what your game is, anatta.
 
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The moral of the story is don't ever expect conservatives to stand against Russian aggression or to support western liberal democracy against the onslaughts of global totalitarianism.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Wow. And you wonder why normal people consider you a Putin apologist and an #AmericanRussianAsset. Could you be any more obvious in your devotion to fascist warmongering dictators?
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apparently you dismiss military strategy as a Putin apologist,
which was kina the basis of the article by a respected source
 
anatta said:
at least your post is grounded in reality. Ukraine is Little Russia -they are indeed basic brothers.


However NATO expansion and the US proxy war has turned Ukriane into a hostile power .
Zelensky craves more and more and we just give it to him regardless of the balance of power between Russia and NATO with Uk as a buffer state. that was even codified by the Budapest Memorandum

Putin will win the war, but I dont think he'll win the peace - but again if he splits it in at the Dnieper
it's possible. which is what the OP was saying
Dont believe anyone who says they know how this turns out
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Native Ukrainians have never accepted that demeaning slur "Little Russians". Terms like Little Russians and White Russians were invited by Tsarist regimes to eliminate any independent Identity in lands conquered from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth as part of a policy to Russify them, and make them subsidiary to Moscow and Saint Petersburg.

Native Ukrainians have generally never called themselves Little Russians, or felt they were subsidiary to Moscow. The first great East Slavic civilization did not germinate from Moscow. The first great East Slavic state was Kievan Rus, at a time when Moscow was little more than an insignificant backwater principality.

Ukrainians have never really wanted their history erased, or subsumed under the authority of Moscow.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
On 25 February 2022, amid the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Poroshenko appeared on TV with a Kalashnikov rifle together with the civil defense forces on the streets of Kyiv.

political prisoner? I’m beginning to wonder what your game is, anatta.
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I thought Zelensky tossed him in the can pre-trial his treason charge. i looked it up - you are correct

https://www.politico.eu/article/court-decline-jail-poroshenko-treason-case/
he is accused of helping to arrange sales of large amounts of coal while he was president in 2014 and 2015 that helped finance the armed Russian-backed separatists in the occupied Donbass region of eastern Ukraine.

Poroshenko has denied the charges, and denounced the case as a politically motivated prosecution directed by his successor President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, who defeated Poroshenko in a landslide election in 2019.
 
anatta said:
Just two days into Russia's invasion of Ukraine, U.S. Department of Defense briefers were quick to claim that failing to take Kyiv in the opening days of the war amounted to a serious setback.

DoD briefers implied that Russia's offensive was well behind schedule or had even failed because the capital had not fallen.

But U.S. leaders should have learned to restrain their hopes after their catastrophic withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Once again, U.S. and Western officials are falling into the trap of failing to understand the enemy and his objectives.

, Putin believed that the Ukrainian government would collapse once Russian troops crossed the frontier and pushed to Kyiv, and that the operation has failed because the Ukrainian government remains in place.

Putin certainly hoped for a swift victory, but he clearly was not relying on his opening salvo as the only plan for success.

Rather, the Russian military was prepared to take the country by force if a swift decapitation strike fell short.

This kind of plan should be familiar to Americans who remember the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

In the first hours of the war, the U.S. Air Force launched its 'shock and awe' campaign in an attempt to kill Saddam Hussein and other key leaders and bring down the government. Saddam survived, but the U.S. military was fully prepared to follow up with a ground assault.

A look at the Russian military offensive demonstrates there was a plan for a full-scale invasion, which Russia is now executing.

Conventional, mechanized warfare is a time and resource consuming enterprise, and an operation of this scope isn't cobbled together in days.

The Russian offensive is taking place on four separate fronts. On a fifth front, in eastern Ukraine, which Putin declared independent last week, Russian forces are tying down Ukrainian troops that are needed elsewhere.

The bulk of the Russian forces are advancing southward from Belarus to Kyiv.

Russian advance forces, including air, mobile and reconnaissance troops, have been engaged with Ukrainian troops outside of Kyiv since the start of the war.

A massive column of Russian troops, estimated at over 40 miles long, is just 20 miles north of Kyiv, and is likely assembling to surround the capital.

If Russian forces can take Kyiv and push southward to link up with forces on the Crimean front, thus splitting Ukraine in two, it would be a major blow to the Zelensky government.

What matters more than a handful of setbacks is that Russian forces have pushed 70 miles into contested terrain in less than a week and are on the outskirts of the capital.
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biden already said an incursion was fine.

I think the limp bidenco reaction is mostly cosmetic and insincere.

the big empires are carving up the world between themselves.
 
Cypress said:
Native Ukrainians have never accepted that demeaning slur "Little Russians". Terms like Little Russians and White Russians were invited by Tsarist regimes to eliminate any independent Identity in lands conquered from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth as part of a policy to Russify them, and make them subsidiary to Moscow and Saint Petersburg.

Native Ukrainians have generally never called themselves Little Russians, or felt they were subsidiary to Moscow. The first great East Slavic civilization did not germinate from Moscow. The first great East Slavic state was Kievan Rus, at a time when Moscow was little more than an insignificant backwater principality.

Ukrainians have never really wanted their history erased, or subsided under the authority of Moscow.
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you know more about it then me. I wouldn't touch the place with a 10 foot pole
But 'Ukraine" is what? the same uniform hostility towards Moscow doesnt explain Yanukovych

frankly I dont care. It should have been left a buffer state.
 
Fears 'paranoid' Putin has lost his mind as leader limits contact to inner circle

Fears have been shared over the mental health of Russian President Vladimir Putin, with rumor's the pandemic scrambled his mind, leading to the brutal invasion of Ukraine

The Covid-19 pandemic scrambled Vladimir Putin ’s mental health, sparking the paranoia which led to the invasion of Ukraine, experts fear.

The Russian president had limited contact with people during the worst of the events of the last two years, with those in his very inner circle having to isolate before being granted an audience.

Putin’s insistence he ordered troops into his peaceful neighbor's territory to protect people subjected to bullying and genocide- of which there is no evidence- has fueled fears for his mental health.

He also said his troops are there for the demilitarization and de-Nazification" of Ukraine, claims which have been met with astonishment by the leaders of the under siege nation.

Some insist Putin is still feeling the effects of “brain fog”, as a result of long Covid.

Other examples pointing to potential causes of alarm in the Kremlin leader, 69, include rumor's he has been practically a recluse since the start of the pandemic.

Such are his concerns of the virus he insists meetings are held via video link - or across ludicrously long tables, insisting each participant sits at either end.

His inner circle are also forced to provide stool sample several times a week so Putin is not infected.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/fears-paranoid-putin-lost-mind-26340870

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anatta said:
you know more about it then me. I wouldn't touch the place with a 10 foot pole
But 'Ukraine" is what? the same uniform hostility towards Moscow doesnt explain Yanukovych

frankly I dont care. It should have been left a buffer state.
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I am not buying the claim that Russian-spreaking Ukraine is somehow just relishing the prospect of joining with Moscow.

For one thing, there is no clear demarcation between the Russian speaking east and the Ukranian speaking west.

More importantly, the Russian speaking east did not welcome Putin's army as liberators. The Russian-speaking city of Kharkiv, only 20 miles from the Russian border, is defiantly refusing to bend the knee to the Russian armies besieging them.
 
One year of Biden and Putin loses his fucking mind


Now Russia is about to rid themselves of Putin




Go Joe
 
Cypress said:
I am not buying the claim that Russian-spreaking Ukraine is somehow just relishing the prospect of joining with Moscow.

For one thing, there is no clear demarcation between the Russian speaking east and the Ukranian speaking west.

More importantly, the Russian speaking east did not welcome Putin's army as liberators. The Russian-speaking city of Kharkiv, only 20 miles from the Russian border, is refusing to bend the knee to the Russian armies besieging them.
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The government isnt always the people and there is no doubt LDNR is with Russian separatists
I understand there is no demarcation since it's 1 country boundry

I am pretty sure if Putin wasn't shelling civilians LDNR recognition would have been an ez get
But for reasons way discussed Putin went after the whole thing - which no one supports

Whatever happens that Cold War 2 i have warned about is now a hot war and Russian/ NATO
hostilities have increased. It's just going to degrade further "war is the ultimate failure of diplomacy"
 
What about EU and NATO membership for Ukraine? It would be a clear signal that Ukraine will be governing itself instead of from Moscow.
 
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