Putin is not "crazy" and the west misunderstands tis war

at least you post is grounded in reality. Ukraine is Little Russia -they are basic brothers. NATO expansion and the US proxy war has turned Ukriane into a hostile power . Zelensky craves more and more and we just give it to him regardless of the balance of power between Russia and NATO with Uk as a buffer state

Putin will win the war, but I dont think he'll win the peace - but again if he splits it in at the Dnieper it's possible.
Dont believe anyone who says they know how this turns out

WAS 'Little Russia'. This only UNITED Ukraine.
The ONLY 'hostile' was Ukraine adopting a Democratic political structure. A*'Russian leaning' candidate (like Trump) would be allowed to run, and could win.

Yeah. No one knows how it will turn out. I would advise Zelensky to fall back to Lviv and continue the Fight from there. (Easy to funnel logistical support to him there) But I think he plans on going 'down with the ship'. (?)
 
This thread does a great disservice to the brave people fighting against a madman for their independence, and their lives.

There is no justification for Putin's war crimes.
 
NATO should have admitted Georgia a decade ago, instead of which Mikheil Saakashvili left and went to
Odessa as Governor. He blamed President Poroshenko personally for enabling corruption in Odessa and in Ukraine overall and resigned.
then Article 5 would have kicked in and we'd be at war with Russia over Georgia!

POroshenko was corrupt, it's safe bet anyone in power in Ukraine is corrupt - Zelensky isnt corrupt but he's not democratic in practice either (Poroshenko is now a political prisoner, and Z. shut down opposition TV stations)

I recall back during Impeachment.
I said it would be best if we completely stayed away from any dealings -
military or otherwise with Ukriane
You can ascertain the wisdom of that or not. I think it would be another chance we had to stop the escalation that got us here. Putin is not crazy . he's not trying to be Catherine the Great.
he's turned himself into a pariah, but it was a rational move, albeit a great overeach that might cost him everything
 
splitting Uk in 2 at the Dnieper would leave western Ukraine as a neutral or more probably a NATO proxy state
But Putin would hold the east and the capitol. it becomes a buffer state.
That's the military strategy. But it assumes the resultant eastern half could be "pacified"
And that is where the cookie will split or crumble ( at least this is the concept)

It would solve the Black Sea, Crimea, Donbas, Sea of Azov, Problem. It would give Putin his 'Buffer Zone'. Dnieper is a natural 'border'. (I'm guessing Odessa would have to be tossed in)
 
This thread does a great disservice to the brave people fighting against a madman for their independence, and their lives.

There is no justification for Putin's war crimes.
if you cant do the geopolitics and discuss the military strategy this thread is not for you..
 
It would solve the Black Sea, Crimea, Donbas, Sea of Azov, Problem. It would give Putin his 'Buffer Zone'. Dnieper is a natural 'border'. (I'm guessing Odessa would have to be tossed in)
Odessa would be needed as a port for the western created Ukraine/ otherwise I think you got it
 
then Article 5 would have kicked in and we'd be at war with Russia over Georgia!

POroshenko was corrupt, it's safe bet anyone in power in Ukraine is corrupt - Zelensky isnt corrupt but he's not democratic in practice either (Poroshenko is now a political prisoner, and Z. shut down opposition TV stations)

I recall back during Impeachment.
I said it would be best if we completely stayed away from any dealings -
military or otherwise with Ukriane
You can ascertain the wisdom of that or not. I think it would be another chance we had to stop the escalation that got us here. Putin is not crazy . he's not trying to be Catherine the Great.
he's turned himself into a pariah, but it was a rational move, albeit a great overeach that might cost him everything

So then why didn't he attack the Baltic States, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania or Hungary?
 
Just two days into Russia's invasion of Ukraine, U.S. Department of Defense briefers were quick to claim that failing to take Kyiv in the opening days of the war amounted to a serious setback.

DoD briefers implied that Russia's offensive was well behind schedule or had even failed because the capital had not fallen.

But U.S. leaders should have learned to restrain their hopes after their catastrophic withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Once again, U.S. and Western officials are falling into the trap of failing to understand the enemy and his objectives.

, Putin believed that the Ukrainian government would collapse once Russian troops crossed the frontier and pushed to Kyiv, and that the operation has failed because the Ukrainian government remains in place.

Putin certainly hoped for a swift victory, but he clearly was not relying on his opening salvo as the only plan for success.

Rather, the Russian military was prepared to take the country by force if a swift decapitation strike fell short.

This kind of plan should be familiar to Americans who remember the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

In the first hours of the war, the U.S. Air Force launched its 'shock and awe' campaign in an attempt to kill Saddam Hussein and other key leaders and bring down the government. Saddam survived, but the U.S. military was fully prepared to follow up with a ground assault.

A look at the Russian military offensive demonstrates there was a plan for a full-scale invasion, which Russia is now executing.

Conventional, mechanized warfare is a time and resource consuming enterprise, and an operation of this scope isn't cobbled together in days.

The Russian offensive is taking place on four separate fronts. On a fifth front, in eastern Ukraine, which Putin declared independent last week, Russian forces are tying down Ukrainian troops that are needed elsewhere.

The bulk of the Russian forces are advancing southward from Belarus to Kyiv.

Russian advance forces, including air, mobile and reconnaissance troops, have been engaged with Ukrainian troops outside of Kyiv since the start of the war.

A massive column of Russian troops, estimated at over 40 miles long, is just 20 miles north of Kyiv, and is likely assembling to surround the capital.

If Russian forces can take Kyiv and push southward to link up with forces on the Crimean front, thus splitting Ukraine in two, it would be a major blow to the Zelensky government.

What matters more than a handful of setbacks is that Russian forces have pushed 70 miles into contested terrain in less than a week and are on the outskirts of the capital.

Also, this polarizing West, East, North and South bs is really quite ridiculous as a man-made political fallacy, considering the Earth's global hemisphere disagrees with this reckless way of humans dictating the cardinal directions of the Earth's relationship with the Sun and the global hemisphere:

The idea of Eastern and Western hemispheres has become politically and historically significant since European nations began colonizing North America and South America. In this context, the Eastern Hemisphere is sometimes called the "Old World," and the Western Hemisphere is called the "New World." However, the Western Hemisphere is a purely geographic term and should not be confused with other mentions of the "western" world, which is often used to describe parts of Europe, North America and other world regions that share some economic, social, and cultural values."

https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/hemisphere/
 
Putin's attack met far more resistance than he figured. He had real setbacks. In the end, if he does take over the government and jail or kill Zelensky, he will face an insurgency that will bleed his empire for years. That works like Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam did for us. It is the experience Russia had in Afghanistan. I cannot see this as a positive for Putin.
 
Just two days into Russia's invasion of Ukraine, U.S. Department of Defense briefers were quick to claim that failing to take Kyiv in the opening days of the war amounted to a serious setback.

DoD briefers implied that Russia's offensive was well behind schedule or had even failed because the capital had not fallen.

But U.S. leaders should have learned to restrain their hopes after their catastrophic withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Once again, U.S. and Western officials are falling into the trap of failing to understand the enemy and his objectives.

, Putin believed that the Ukrainian government would collapse once Russian troops crossed the frontier and pushed to Kyiv, and that the operation has failed because the Ukrainian government remains in place.

Putin certainly hoped for a swift victory, but he clearly was not relying on his opening salvo as the only plan for success.

Rather, the Russian military was prepared to take the country by force if a swift decapitation strike fell short.

This kind of plan should be familiar to Americans who remember the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

In the first hours of the war, the U.S. Air Force launched its 'shock and awe' campaign in an attempt to kill Saddam Hussein and other key leaders and bring down the government. Saddam survived, but the U.S. military was fully prepared to follow up with a ground assault.

A look at the Russian military offensive demonstrates there was a plan for a full-scale invasion, which Russia is now executing.

Conventional, mechanized warfare is a time and resource consuming enterprise, and an operation of this scope isn't cobbled together in days.

The Russian offensive is taking place on four separate fronts. On a fifth front, in eastern Ukraine, which Putin declared independent last week, Russian forces are tying down Ukrainian troops that are needed elsewhere.

The bulk of the Russian forces are advancing southward from Belarus to Kyiv.

Russian advance forces, including air, mobile and reconnaissance troops, have been engaged with Ukrainian troops outside of Kyiv since the start of the war.

A massive column of Russian troops, estimated at over 40 miles long, is just 20 miles north of Kyiv, and is likely assembling to surround the capital.

If Russian forces can take Kyiv and push southward to link up with forces on the Crimean front, thus splitting Ukraine in two, it would be a major blow to the Zelensky government.

What matters more than a handful of setbacks is that Russian forces have pushed 70 miles into contested terrain in less than a week and are on the outskirts of the capital.

Inside Putin's Mind: His Goals, Motivation & World View -- What The West Needs to Understand

 
by Bill Roggio

Senior Fellow and Editor of FDD's Long War Journal
Expertise:
Afghanistan, India, Indo-Pacific, Iran Global Threat Network, Pakistan, The Long War
Projects:
FDD’s Long War Journal, Center on Military and Political Power

 
Maybe the 40-mile Russian armored column is ' stuck because of stupid Russian logistic failures '. ? Maybe it's paused to allow the mass evacuation of Kiev. One million Ukrainians have left the country so far.

Maybe the massive Russian air-force has not been deployed because of some stupid Russian communications failure. ? Maybe the Russians have far more respect for Ukranians than our dumbass NATO propaganda trumpets would have us believe.
 
Maybe the 40-mile Russian armored column is ' stuck because of stupid Russian logistic failures '. ? Maybe it's paused to allow the mass evacuation of Kiev. One million Ukrainians have left the country so far.

Maybe the massive Russian air-force has not been deployed because of some stupid Russian communications failure. ? Maybe the Russians have far more respect for Ukranians than our dumbass NATO propaganda trumpets would have us believe.

Have you noticed that the "Western Experts" cant figure out what Putin is doing, so they assume that he is insane?

This does not strike me as a winning strategy.
 
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