DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
You mean like keeping bills down to three pages and plain language?
Video: Conyers scoffs at doing his job
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ib1yysguy
Junior Member
You mean like keeping bills down to three pages and plain language?
... and we're back to the woodsman utopia.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
so, basically, what you're saying is we should just trust our democrats in office and STFU, that about right?
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
You mean like keeping bills down to three pages and plain language?
Not exactly, but in some cases it might apply.
I meant having sessions where the bills are read, interpreted, and questioned by a body of lawmakers. This instead of the grandstanding sessions that usually go on in the Halls of Congress. I've been to some of those sessions and they are unproductive as hell with most lawmakers minds wandering of on fundraising and constituents at home.
Serious people could find a better way to introduce and analyze legislation.
Note: responding to your question with civility.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Why would you ask me shit like that? I'm not a democrat, didn't vote for Obama .. HOWEVER, intelligence doesn't have a political party.
I don't throw shit against the wall just because someone has a D or an R behind their name.
What Conyers said makes a lot of sense and only really dumb people would see it as him "scoffing at doing his job" .. which only goes to prove that ignorance doesn't have a political party either.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
i ask you that because it makes sense. why do you elect a representative? to work within the government FOR YOU. so why would you not want that rep to read the legislation he's voting for or against so he can accurately identify how and what affects you? If congress is voting on 1k pages of a piece of legislation without reading it, then we have a problem here. It's not any different than congress passing the patriot act without having read the damn thing.
so I ask you that question for that very reason.
do you have a problem with the reps (D and R) that voted for the patriot act without reading it?
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Don't get it twisted brother. My argument is not that every piece of legislation a lawmaker supports shouldn't be read, but rather my argument is that most of them have neither the time nor the legal understanding to read and interpret massive legislation on their own. That is a fact whether people want to accept that or not. I've been there, I know what I'm talking about.
My argument is that what Conyers said is true, THUS as intelligent people we must address how to get lawmakers to interpret legislation better and ensure that every piece is read.
The Patriot Act is a prime example of what I'm talking about. It's huge and it would take the average mind, which most lawmakers have, weeks upon weeks to interpret it and all its consequences .. which is not an excuse for not interpreting it before one takes a position.
Any legislation that is supported or rejected without not only reading it, but interpreting it, is an abomination to the American people.
But knowing that, what do you do .. settle for the status quo?
That's not an answer.
in other words... Conyers is black, so I agree with him.
The man laughed about having to do his job.
Jesus christ you apologists are ridiculous. And it's really funny how you sit on your high horse. LOL what a joker
My argument is that what Conyers said is true, THUS as intelligent people we must address how to get lawmakers to interpret legislation better and ensure that every piece is read.
And then he laughed about it.
I don't accept that NOT READING LEGISLATION BEFORE VOTING ON IT IS NORMAL.
Idiots like you might, but that's why we can't get promotions when you guys fail tests
And then he laughed about it.
I don't accept that NOT READING LEGISLATION BEFORE VOTING ON IT IS NORMAL.
Idiots like you might, but that's why we can't get promotions when you guys fail tests
typical conservative response.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Guess what dummy .. Obama is black .. didn't vote for him .. Powell is black .. don't like him .. and more importantly, genetically, YOU ARE BLACK and I don't like your ignorant ass either.
... try again
Don't you mean typical racist? Because I'm a racist now and I don't care what you morons think. You idiots bring this country down. You fail tests and cause others to pay for it.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
:lmao:
You mean like McCain?
Is that why he didn't get his promotion?
:lmao:
You don't possess the intelligence to even be having this conversation. All you have to offer is the neanderthal swamp-water emotion of an insecure and inadequate man.
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dummy
Lately, you seem to only be capable of thinking in terms of race regardless of content discussed so, yes, I do.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
This ain't your country mr racist motherfucker. You just live here but you are no more important than anyone else .. AND your numbers are shrinking.
What tests did you pass?
I have a degree .. is it yours?
Do I have your degree?
I have a business ignorant asshole from hell.
Do I have your business? Am I why you don't have one?
Black people "keeping you down?"
Have they led you to the miserable existence you have to wake the fuck up to every damn morning?
I know, you would have been a great athlete .. if only the black people weren't failing tests.
You could have been a doctor .. if only black people weren't failing tests.
As an aside, I'm having much joy-joy watching black people eat away at your weak ass mind. Your every comment is about black people .. I LOVE THAT SHIT.
Your anus is twitching right now as I lambast your racist ignorance .. If only your grandpappy was here. :0)
Hey, there's a way out of your pain that quite a few of your comrades take .. go kill yourself. It's only going to get worse.
.. just trying to help a brother out.
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DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
The Southern Man appreciates your civility.
Congress tried to put together a bill to require "plain language" in 2008, sponsored by a Democrat, actually. Although I don't know if it would apply to bills; probably not, since they exempt themselves from most laws anyway.
Your Utopian musings about constructive debate in Congress is will never happen, so stop dreaming. Decisions are rarely made withing the confines of legislative chambers and the larger they are and the more power they have the more the members aggrandize. And Democracy was never designed to be efficient.
Better to limit their power and require them to vote on matters that their constituency can be expected to understand. Thus the three page rule.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
The Southern Man regrets his earlier defense of you.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
With all due respect, you've obviously never written legislation. The summary might take three pages.
Three pages will leave so many unaddressed loopholes in the legislation it will essentially be worthless. How do you write healthcare and funding legislation in three pages.
There is no McFix for responsible government.
AND, constituents are no better at reading legislation than lawmakers are, thus, restricting legislation to what constituients can understand makes absolutely no sense.
I suggest that it is you who has a utopian view of hoiw government works.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
That's my other point- you don't write stupid bills like that. *shrug*
Conyers, the lazy fuck, need only read and confirm or deny this post from meme.....
Larry Schweikart
Take a look at what actually is in the Health Care bill. Obama makes disingenuous comments like "You'll still keep your doctor" or "You'll keep your existing health care." He is either lying to us or he has no idea what is in it. Take a peek at the full report, or look at some of the highlights here:
Pg 22 of the HC Bill mandates the Government will audit books of all employers that self insure. Can you imagine what that will do to small businesses? Every one will abandon “self insurance” and go on Government insurance. So when Obama says that there will still be private health care, it’s simply a lie: this mandate will force employers to abandon their private plans.
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill – a Government committee (good luck with that!) will decide what treatments/benefits a person may receive.
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE WILL BE RATIONED! (We all knew this, because health care is rationed in Canada and Britain, but Obama kept saying it would not be).
Pg 42 of HC Bill – The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You will have no choice!
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise.
Pg 58 HC Bill – Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your bank accts for election funds transfer
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (read: ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government will create an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Government control.
PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Government will ration your Healthcare!
PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Government mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translation for illegal aliens.
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Government will use groups, i.e. ACORN & Americorps, to sign up individuals for Government HC plan.
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed.
-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue Government on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Government Monopoly.
pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ AMA - The Government will tell YOU what you can earn.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE.
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll $400k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.
pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll between $251k & $400k who don’t provide public option pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.)
Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (the GOVERNMENT) will have access to ALL Americans’ finances and personal records.
PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that.
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill – Doctors – doesn’t matter what specialty – will all be paid the same.
PG 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of Doctor’s time, professional judgment, etc. Literally, value of humans.
PG 265 Sec 1131Government mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.
PG 268 Sec 1141 Federal Government regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 The Government will penalize hospitals for what Government deems preventable readmissions.
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors who treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission - Government will penalize you.
Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion - Government will mandate hospitals cannot expand.
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures which of course forces health care rationing.
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc., forcing people into Government plan.
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committee. HC by phone.
PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultations. Think Senior Citizens end of life prodding.
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in how to die.
PG 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The Government has a say in how your life ends.
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used frequently as patients’ health deteriorates.
PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from the Government to end a life!
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The Government will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.
Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services/Non profit orgs. (ACORN Medical Services here?)
Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATION. 1 monthly payment to a community-based organization. (Like ACORN?)
PG 489 Sec 1308 The Government will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Government into our marriages.
Pg 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services. You’d better speak up now before you are on the "advanced care consultation" list.