Are you sure white supremacists are the problem?

Pax Mongolica said:
If I post the links that were cited, will you bother reading them, or do I have to do everything for you?
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Did you ever take an English class in high school? Because that is when they teach how to cite information.

I will explain it. You post the sentence(s) with the revenue generated by cartels in relation to drug income. The link is the source for that. Understand?
 
volsrock said:
So don't go there?

Thats the problem...in America there should not be any...dont go there areas!!!!

But blacks have made them
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I agree that the problem should be solved fast. I suggest legalizing some drugs. I guarantee you that you will see a reduction of crimes.
 
BidenPresident said:
Did you ever take an English class in high school? Because that is when they teach how to cite information.

I will explain it. You post the sentence(s) with the revenue generated by cartels in relation to drug income. The link is the source for that. Understand?
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"Santiago Nieto, head of Mexico’s financial intelligence unit (UIF), said his team had discovered that some of the country’s most notorious cartels had branched out into sex trafficking, especially ones whose core business faced disruption....

Mexico is an origin, transit and destination country for human trafficking, a global business estimated to be worth $150 billion a year....

Human trafficking may be the third-largest illicit activity in Mexico, after drugs and guns, he estimated."

That's from the link that Volsrock posted. Now, yes, it does say third-largest. Maybe guns are the second most profitable then.

However, if drugs were to be legalized or decriminalized, it can logically be assumed that guns and humans would be trafficked more, if they were comparably more profitable as a result.
 
Pax Mongolica said:
"Santiago Nieto, head of Mexico’s financial intelligence unit (UIF), said his team had discovered that some of the country’s most notorious cartels had branched out into sex trafficking, especially ones whose core business faced disruption....

Mexico is an origin, transit and destination country for human trafficking, a global business estimated to be worth $150 billion a year....

Human trafficking may be the third-largest illicit activity in Mexico, after drugs and guns, he estimated."

That's from the link that Volsrock posted. Now, yes, it does say third-largest. Maybe guns are the second most profitable then.

However, if drugs were to be legalized or decriminalized, it can logically be assumed that guns and humans would be trafficked more, if they were comparably more profitable as a result.
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Mexican cartels exist because Mexico is very corrupt. I don't see how this is a problem for the US.
 
Pax Mongolica said:
Whether or not cartels stay involved in drugs is only partially dependent on legality. Unless regulations strictly control the source of legal drugs, then a cartel could easily continue to sell drugs legally given their resources.

Think of it like how the mafia was still involved in alcohol trade after the end of Prohibition. It was legal and less profitable, but still profitable enough at first to stay involved.
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yes. the ilegal trasde may be cheaper, but if the weed market is any indicator - it's not
Dispensaries do offer top quality weed and some quality controls. But you prolly pay a bit more then street prices.

"harm reduction" is the only sane way to even attempt to un-fuck up this FUBAR

Harm Reduction
https://drugpolicy.org/issues/harm-reduction
Harm reduction is a set of ideas and interventions that seek to reduce the harms associated with both drug use and ineffective, racialized drug policies.

Harm reduction stands in stark contrast to a punitive approach to problematic drug use—it is based on acknowledging the dignity and humanity of people who use drugs and bringing them into a community of care in order to minimize negative consequences and promote optimal health and social inclusion.
 
anatta said:
yes. the ilegal trasde may be cheaper, but if the weed market is any indicator - it's not
Dispensaries do offer top quality weed and some quality controls. But you prolly pay a bit more then street prices.

"harm reduction" is the only sane way to even attempt to un-fuck up this FUBAR

Harm Reduction
https://drugpolicy.org/issues/harm-reduction
Harm reduction is a set of ideas and interventions that seek to reduce the harms associated with both drug use and ineffective, racialized drug policies.

Harm reduction stands in stark contrast to a punitive approach to problematic drug use—it is based on acknowledging the dignity and humanity of people who use drugs and bringing them into a community of care in order to minimize negative consequences and promote optimal health and social inclusion.
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I'm not saying that legalization would still involve illegal sales. I'm saying legalization allows for cartels to sell a product they already have a supply chain for.

The main appeal to continuing to sell drugs in a legal market for a cartel would be for laundering money they make in other still illicit industries like guns and human trafficking.
 
AProudLefty said:
What does entail a "proper border control"?
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That's complicated enough for its own thread, but here's a summary for the American context.

1) a militarized border with the resources capable of tracking and filtering all who cross the Mexican border. This is much more complex than a physical wall. You would need bases constructed along regular intervals of the border along with drone support for observation.

2) consistent enforcement of federal law against employers of illegals, so that the demand for illegal labor dries up. Many employers would face prison time.

3) Similar approaches to our marine borders to stop illegal transport (whether involving people, drugs, or other illicit materials) and also controls at the Canadian border.
 
Pax Mongolica said:
I'm not saying that legalization would still involve illegal sales. I'm saying legalization allows for cartels to sell a product they already have a supply chain for.

The main appeal to continuing to sell drugs in a legal market for a cartel would be for laundering money they make in other still illicit industries like guns and human trafficking.
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Oh. im thinking like weed it has to be registered and taxed, and numbers of dispensaries controlled by regs
 
anatta said:
Oh. im thinking like weed it has to be registered and taxed, and numbers of dispensaries controlled by regs
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Some states appear to be regulated enough to keep out cartel supplies, but others are a bit lax about it. It really should be governed by federal law.
 
Opium was an "Asian problem" as well.

In 1914, the United States criminalized the recreational use of opium. From this
event developed over a one hundred year span the international War on Drugs. This
examination stems from the belief the War on Drugs fails as a policy aimed at addressing
public health and safety concerns. Rather, the War on Drugs fosters criminality that
presents an even greater threat to public health and safety. This examination seeks to
understand the historical framework of the international War on Drugs. Research found
the U.S. largely responsible in both philosophy, creation, and enforcement in instituting
international narcotic policy. An examination of U.S. motivations found racial prejudice a
causal factor that saw criminalization rather than less authoritarian forms of government
intervention utilized to combat the negative side effects of narcotic use. The prejudicial
treatment of Chinese-American immigrants in the late ninetieth century Western U.S. led
to the criminalization of the Chinese cultural habit of opium smoking. The progressive
criminalization of opium due to its perceived connection to Chinese-American
immigrants is emblematic of the American narcotics criminalization history. Through
opium criminalization, the U.S. progressively pushed and achieved near-total
international narcotic prohibition

https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/42004195/MCCAFFREY-DOCUMENT-2019.pdf
 
In a 1994 interview with Harper’s Magazine, Nixon’s counsel and Assistant to the
President on Domestic Affairs, John Ehrlichman, confirmed Nixon’s intended purpose to
use narcotics legislation as a means to target his opponents. In the interview Ehrlichman
stated,
The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had
two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m
saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war
or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana
and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could
disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes,
break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening
news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.1
 
Chapter II.
Opium and the Yellow Peril:
Anti-Chinese Public Sentiment and the Criminalization of Opium 1850 -1940
In 1914, landmark congressional legislation established the first federal effort to
control narcotics. The Harrison Narcotics Tax Act regulates and places a special tax on
opium and coca leaf along with their derivatives. Prior to the Harrison Act, highly
addictive narcotics such as cocaine and opium readily circulate, without federal
oversight, within the United States (US). In the early twentieth century, the majority of
American narcotic use stems from over the counter, non-prescription products available
in the commercial marketplace.21 Throughout the US, in retail stores and doctors’ offices
Americans can purchase patent protected consumer products, medicines, and herbal
remedies that contain highly addictive narcotics.22 Despite the reality of widespread
narcotics use, in the decades prior to the Harrison Act , the American public stigmatizes
narcotic use as a practice outside of mainstream Euro-American cultural values. Due to
racial prejudice, narcotic addiction becomes a problem that American society
increasingly associates primarily with non-white minorities. By the time of the Harrison
Act, opium abuse has an intrinsic connection to Chinese Americans.

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