130 Americans will commit suicide today, but Democrats don't care

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PoliTalker said:
Hello and welcome Turgid Member,

I normally acquaint newcomers with my own Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.

If that is acceptable to you I thank you for understanding and hope we have many great discussions. If not, then we probably won't be talking long.



Thanks. Glad you can appreciate the sentiment.
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Shut the fuck up!!
 
Dutch Uncle said:
As noted in the link below, suicide will take, on average, 131 lives in the US today. Suicide is the tenth leading cause of death in the US overall but spikes in certain demographics. Why don't the Democrats care? Why do they believe banning guns will same more lives than better mental health care?

IMO, they don't care about saving lives. They only care about control. Nanny Statism is a Democratic ideal: an all-powerful Federal government which dictates what Americans, think, believe and do "for their own good". "For the children". That is not the Founders had in mind when they wanted Freedom for all.

https://www.americashealthrankings.org/explore/annual/measure/Suicide/state/ALL
Nationally, the suicide rate increased 25.4% from 1999 to 2016, with increases occurring in every state, save for Nevada. In 2018, there were an estimated 1.4 million suicide attempts and more than 48,000 deaths by suicide, making it the tenth leading cause of death in the United States. Firearms were involved in half of all suicides, and there were more than twice as many deaths by suicide than by homicide.

Societal costs associated with suicide and suicide attempts were estimated at $93.5 billion. These costs include lifetime medical fees and lost work costs.....

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^Xtreme like.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
As noted in the link below, suicide will take, on average, 131 lives in the US today. Suicide is the tenth leading cause of death in the US overall but spikes in certain demographics. Why don't the Democrats care? Why do they believe banning guns will same more lives than better mental health care?

IMO, they don't care about saving lives. They only care about control. Nanny Statism is a Democratic ideal: an all-powerful Federal government which dictates what Americans, think, believe and do "for their own good". "For the children". That is not the Founders had in mind when they wanted Freedom for all.

https://www.americashealthrankings.org/explore/annual/measure/Suicide/state/ALL
Nationally, the suicide rate increased 25.4% from 1999 to 2016, with increases occurring in every state, save for Nevada. In 2018, there were an estimated 1.4 million suicide attempts and more than 48,000 deaths by suicide, making it the tenth leading cause of death in the United States. Firearms were involved in half of all suicides, and there were more than twice as many deaths by suicide than by homicide.

Societal costs associated with suicide and suicide attempts were estimated at $93.5 billion. These costs include lifetime medical fees and lost work costs.....

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I suppose your trolling and skanky hide doesn't care that Putin's b!tch tRump and his un American repukes co conspired to covid murder over 500,000 Americans until the lawlessly hacked in orange POS tRump was thrown out of the White House and along with this crimes humanity insurgency of gutter rot. Yet with a Democratic leadership over 100 million Americans have received anti covid vaccines and testing continues to be greatly in affect. I would thank God if all of you tRump sh!t eaters would finally make it all the way to hell as a burning experience and reward on both your worthless bodies and souls.
 
gemini104104 said:
I suppose your trolling and skanky hide doesn't care that Putin's b!tch tRump and his un American repukes co conspired to covid murder over 500,000 Americans until the lawlessly hacked in orange POS tRump was thrown out of the White House and along with this crimes humanity insurgency of gutter rot. Yet with a Democratic leadership over 100 million Americans have received anti covid vaccines and testing continues to be greatly in affect. I would thank God if all of you tRump sh!t eaters would finally make it all the way to hell as a burning experience and reward on both your worthless bodies and souls.
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Dude, you could be the poster child for Better Mental Healthcare. Think about it. :thup:
 
RB 60 said:
Shut the fuck up!!
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Dutch Uncle said:
The focus of their agendas.
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Medicare for All would provide mental health services to every American, but you oppose it.

Obamacare required every health insurance plan include mental health services, but I bet you opposed that too.

So you are complaining about something of which you are standing in the way of addressing.
 
I worked some time as a Samaritan trying to help potential suicides think again, if they wanted help. It's their choice. Governments should ban guns because they can be used only for killing. If people are sure they want to die, assistance should be available.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Second, if Democrats really gave a fuck about saving lives, they'd be pushing "Medicare for All" instead of wasting political ammo on banning AR-15s and high capacity magazines.
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They are pushing Medicare for All; you centrists, moderates, and "very fine people" are the ones standing in the way, my dude.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I never said she didn't use a gun before. I said she'd made attempts, but you are free to leap to conclusions. Many Democrats do. ;)

She was bipolar and had depression. She didn't like taking her meds. It caused problems, but what was there to do?

"Demanding the solution prevent all suicides is simply a logical fallacy". No shit. Where did I write that?.....or is this one of those Democratic springboard thingies again? :laugh:

Your argument is, "there's no way we can get to the Moon so let's not even try to fly". All I'm writing about is questioning the priorities of the Democratic Party and their members. You and several others have proved to me you are as fucking nutty, biased, bigoted and unwilling to discuss this topic as the worst Trumpsters are about Trump's four years of bullshit.
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And you just ignored the fact that 3% of all suicide attempts are successful while 90% of firearm suicides are. Simple math shows that suicides would be greatly reduced if there was no access to guns. You are the one that is arguing that guns don't matter when it comes to suicide because you don't want to address the issue of how effective guns are when it comes to suicide attempts. Do you want to reduce suicides or not? Or do you only want to reduce suicides if access to guns is not part of any solution?
 
Iolo/Penderyn said:
I worked some time as a Samaritan trying to help potential suicides think again, if they wanted help. It's their choice. Governments should ban guns because they can be used only for killing. If people are sure they want to die, assistance should be available.
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Written like a person who bows down to a monarch and comes from a nation that started slavery in America.

It's both a cultural and technological issue. Culturally, there's a stigma to mental illness. Mental screenings should begin in childhood and be as regular as annual physicals. This includes legislation that supports both individual rights and getting people the help they need.

Technologically, mental health science lags well behind physical health science. This begins as a funding issue, which goes back to culture, and continues as an area of research which needs a government boost like the Apollo program.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
When you decide to stop spouting lies and delusional bullshit
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I'm not lying about anything. You're just unwilling to confront the inherent conflict in your argument:

You argue Democrats don't care about mental health, yet it was the Democrats who mandated every insurance plan offer mental health services thanks to the ACA. That was about 10 years ago.

Now remind me, did you support or oppose the ACA?

Now, in Sanders' M4A bill which has dozens of Senate co-sponsors (including the current VP and former Senator from CA), mental health services get a boost in funding and every single American can get those services with no copay or premium or deductible required.

Now remind me, do you support or oppose M4A?
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
And you just ignored the fact that 3% of all suicide attempts are successful while 90% of firearm suicides are. Simple math shows that suicides would be greatly reduced if there was no access to guns. You are the one that is arguing that guns don't matter when it comes to suicide because you don't want to address the issue of how effective guns are when it comes to suicide attempts. Do you want to reduce suicides or not? Or do you only want to reduce suicides if access to guns is not part of any solution?
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Tragic. So? Your solution of banning anything that might hurt you is standard Democratic Nanny Statism. You are advocating to impose authoritarian rule over individual choice. This is the same logic that makes prostitution, drugs and gambling illegal. People like you imposing your will on others wasn't what the Founders had in mind for a free nation.

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Dutch Uncle said:
Written like a person who bows down to a monarch and comes from a nation that started slavery in America.

It's both a cultural and technological issue. Culturally, there's a stigma to mental illness. Mental screenings should begin in childhood and be as regular as annual physicals. This includes legislation that supports both individual rights and getting people the help they need.

Technologically, mental health science lags well behind physical health science. This begins as a funding issue, which goes back to culture, and continues as an area of research which needs a government boost like the Apollo program.
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The problem is to define mental illness (Stalin had no problems). Help for those who feel mentally ill should obviously be available, free.
 
LV426 said:
So then you support Medicare-for-All, which would extend mental health services to every single American?
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I support a basic level of healthcare as a national security issue. Physicals and mental health screenings would be part of that program.

OTOH, if a person is identified as a paranoid schizophrenic or suffering early onset dementia, then what? A problem with most mental patients is they refuse treatment since they do not believe anything is wrong with them. What is your solution?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I support a basic level of healthcare as a national security issue. Physicals and mental health screenings would be part of that program.

OTOH, if a person is identified as a paranoid schizophrenic or suffering early onset dementia, then what? A problem with most mental patients is they refuse treatment since they do not believe anything is wrong with them. What is your solution?
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you support the kind of healthcare that places taking away rights as the most important goal. medicare from a national security perspective you call it.

you're a totalitarian cretin fool. you're sick.
 
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