130 Americans will commit suicide today, but Democrats don't care

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Dutch Uncle said:
Awesome. Dude, you're smart enough to see that's treating the symptoms again, not the causes.

It's as silly IMO as the fucking Trumpers who want to build a 2000 mile wall to stop illegal immigration: treating the symptom, not the cause(s).

What happens when a suicidal person knows they can't use the Bridge? Go home and use their Robin Williams necktie? Their Anthony Bourdain belt in the closet? Just drive off a convenient overpass or head on into a semi

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Isn't it time we started working smarter, not harder?
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These are all good points Dutch.
 
AProudLefty said:
Yeah we need to address the stigma of mental illness. It's nothing to be ashamed about.
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What would happen if we proposed all public school kids should have both a physical and mental screening every year as a requirement for school? Paid for through the school system.

How many people would shit their pants over it and for what reason(s)?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
What would happen if we proposed all public school kids should have both a physical and mental screening every year as a requirement for school? Paid for through the school system.

How many people would shit their pants over it and for what reason(s)?
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I am pretty sure I have a good idea. ;)
 
AProudLefty said:
I am pretty sure I have a good idea. ;)
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Republicans would bitch about the money and try to shift even more school funds into their own pockets. Lefties would disclaim the unfairness of some people being mentally ill and others not so much.

In the end, the result would be exactly what we have now; both sides arguing about something else.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Republicans would bitch about the money and try to shift even more school funds into their own pockets. Lefties would disclaim the unfairness of some people being mentally ill and others not so much.

In the end, the result would be exactly what we have now; both sides arguing about something else.
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You just said it! It's all about the money!
 
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Turgid Member said:
Great post!
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Thanks. Glad you can appreciate the sentiment.
 
Concart said:
Actually, the banks did not fail. Not the commercial banks, anyway. It was the investment banks that failed. The issue was the some of those investment banks were owned by commercial banks. If that wasn't the case, they could have all gone under and we would have been just fine. This was a crisis of confidence in the banking system, and the impact of a failure of an investment bank that was owned by a commercial bank. I don't know exactly what could have been done other than to save the banks. We were days away from a run that would have destroyed the entire financial system. Why? Graham Leach Bliley. Yes, it was passed with bipartisan support, but it was a Republican bill, and it repealed Glass Steagal. Both sides share blame for that, but let's not pretend that this wasn't pushed by the GOP side of the aisle.
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It was all kinds of banks and lots of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bank_failures_in_the_United_States_(2008–present)
 
Dutch Uncle said:
As noted in the link below, suicide will take, on average, 131 lives in the US today. Suicide is the tenth leading cause of death in the US overall but spikes in certain demographics. Why don't the Democrats care? Why do they believe banning guns will same more lives than better mental health care?
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Access to mental healthcare has been a major issue that Democrats have been pushing, but there is a lot of pushback. Even if we can get universal healthcare, which includes mental healthcare, many mentally sick people would not be willing to get help. Then we have to start working on trying to convince those in need to get help, which is another huge hurdle.

None of this is easy. It will take time, and a lot of effort. Unfortunately, even easy things are hard with an evenly divided Senate.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
What happens when a suicidal person knows they can't use the Bridge? Go home and use their Robin Williams necktie? Their Anthony Bourdain belt in the closet? Just drive off a convenient overpass or head on into a semi
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What Australia proved was when you take away guns from suicidal people, about two thirds find another way to commit suicide, and about one third come to their senses and do not commit suicide. It is far from perfect, but it is a step in the right direction.
 
Walt said:
Access to mental healthcare has been a major issue that Democrats have been pushing, but there is a lot of pushback. Even if we can get universal healthcare, which includes mental healthcare, many mentally sick people would not be willing to get help. Then we have to start working on trying to convince those in need to get help, which is another huge hurdle.

None of this is easy. It will take time, and a lot of effort. Unfortunately, even easy things are hard with an evenly divided Senate.
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It's not a matter of pushing. It's a matter of priorities.
 
Walt said:
What Australia proved was when you take away guns from suicidal people, about two thirds find another way to commit suicide, and about one third come to their senses and do not commit suicide. It is far from perfect, but it is a step in the right direction.
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Gee, then if we lock everyone up in a cell with a video camera to monitor them, we can stop all suicides! ;)
 
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