130 Americans will commit suicide today, but Democrats don't care

[LV426]

I support a basic level of healthcare as a national security issue. Physicals and mental health screenings would be part of that program.

OK, that sounds like M4A, just so you know...

OTOH, if a person is identified as a paranoid schizophrenic or suffering early onset dementia, then what?

Then they get humane treatment.

A problem with most mental patients is they refuse treatment since they do not believe anything is wrong with them.

Is that really a problem, though?

Or is that a stigma that has been attached to the mentally ill?

I believe most mental health advocates would argue that most mentally ill people want treatment, they just can't get it because they either don't have access to it, or cannot afford it.

Now if you're talking about the mentally ill homeless population, well, most of those people would be in hospitals getting treatment anyway had Reagan not closed all of them 35 years ago.

So what is my solution? Medicare for All and mandatory pre-screenings for gun ownership. I'm assuming that the mass shooters are the ones who don't think they're crazy and wouldn't seek mental health treatment on their own...WHICH IS FINE.

So if they won't do that, then when they go to buy a gun, they won't be able to because they need to be cleared by a doctor.

That's my short-term solution until we gain the courage to address the true cause of gun violence, gun suicides, and gun deaths...THE GUNS.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Then they get humane treatment....

...I believe most mental health advocates would argue that most mentally ill people want treatment, they just can't get it because they either don't have access to it, or cannot afford it.....

You're assuming they want it or want to stay on it. As the link below notes, 30% of Paranoid Schizophrenics and 20% of Bipolar victims do not believe they have a problem.

Part of the problem, as I understand it, is they don't like the effects of the drugs. It appears the "high" certain types of mental illness give people is preferable over treatment which is often described as having a wet blanket thrown over their head.

In many ways, it's like a drug addiction except that their drug is being created by their own minds.

https://www.nami.org/About-Mental-Illness/Common-with-Mental-Illness/Anosognosia
When someone rejects a diagnosis of mental illness, it’s tempting to say that he's “in denial.” But someone with acute mental illness may not be thinking clearly enough to consciously choose denial. They may instead be experiencing “lack of insight” or “lack of awareness.” The formal medical term for this medical condition is anosognosia, from the Greek meaning “to not know a disease.”...

...Early studies of anosognosia indicated that approximately 30% of people with schizophrenia and 20% of people with bipolar disorder experienced "severe" lack of awareness of their diagnosis. Treating mental health conditions is much more complicated if lack of insight is one of the symptoms. People with anosognosia are placed at increased risk of homelessness or arrest. Learning to understand anosognosia and its risks can improve the odds of helping people with this difficult symptom.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

you support the kind of healthcare that places taking away rights as the most important goal. medicare from a national security perspective you call it.

you're a totalitarian cretin fool. you're sick.

Another lie from you. Lemme guess, you've been diagnosed with a mental health issue and you're afraid you'll be thrown into a rubber room.

Instead, you've chosen a path that will probably lead you to being thrown into prison or a grave.

 

[LV426]

You're assuming they want it or want to stay on it. As the link below notes, 30% of Paranoid Schizophrenics and 20% of Bipolar victims do not believe they have a problem.

Which is totally fine...we just prevent those people from being able to buy guns by requiring they go through a mental health screening, where those conditions would be identified and diagnosed.

But they only go through that if they want to buy a gun.

 

[Concart]

It was all kinds of banks and lots of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bank_failures_in_the_United_States_(2008–present)

I'm talking specifically about the impetus for the 2008 economic crisis. The trigger was strictly investment banks who were purchasing and bundling mortgage backed securities. This extended to the commercial banking system because some of those investment banks were owned by commercial banks. That was possible ONLY because of the passage of Graham Leach Bliley, which was a Republican sponsored and backed bill. It's disappointing to see we haven't reinstituted Glass Steagall. It also extended to AIG because AIG was insuring losses of those investment banks.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I'm not lying about anything.

You've constantly lied about me and others.

 

[LV426]

Part of the problem, as I understand it, is they don't like the effects of the drugs. It appears the "high" certain types of mental illness give people is preferable over treatment which is often described as having a wet blanket thrown over their head.

Well, from what I've read it can take months, if not years, to get someone on the correct drug AND the correct dosage.

And yes, I have heard from many people who take prescription drugs that the drugs do things like sap creativity and weight gain, but the alternatives are depression and suicide.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Which is totally fine...we just prevent those people from being able to buy guns by requiring they go through a mental health screening, where those conditions would be identified and diagnosed.

But they only go through that if they want to buy a gun.

..or vote or drive or run for office.

 

[LV426]

..or vote or drive or run for office.

Let's start with guns and see how it goes.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Well, from what I've read it can take months, if not years, to get someone on the correct drug AND the correct dosage.

And yes, I have heard from many people who take prescription drugs that the drugs do things like sap creativity and weight gain, but the alternatives are depression and suicide.

"This area of research needs more study" but Democrats would rather focus on banning guns and high capacity magazines.

Which is the crux of the problem: expecting an irrational person to make a rational decision.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Let's start with guns and see how it goes.

Disagreed, but I'm fascinated why you think mentally ill people should vote and run for office...much less drive 70MPH in the opposite lane you.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/in-depth/mental-health/art-20044098
Mental health is the overall wellness of how you think, regulate your feelings and behave. Sometimes people experience a significant disturbance in this mental functioning. A mental disorder may be present when patterns or changes in thinking, feeling or behaving cause distress or disrupt a person's ability to function. A mental health disorder may affect how well you:

• Maintain personal or family relationships
• Function in social settings
• Perform at work or school
• Learn at a level expected for your age and intelligence
• Participate in other important activities

...The DSM provides criteria for making a diagnosis based on the nature, duration and impact of signs and symptoms. It also describes the typical course of the disorder, risk factors and common co-existing conditions.

Another commonly used diagnostic guideline is the International Classification of Diseases (ICD) from the World Health Organization.

Health insurance companies use the diagnostic coding system of the DSM and ICD in determining coverage and benefits and to reimburse mental health professionals....

...Many people who have mental health disorders consider their signs and symptoms a normal part of life or avoid treatment out of shame or fear. If you're concerned about your mental health, don't hesitate to seek advice.

 

[LV426]

"This area of research needs more study" but Democrats would rather focus on banning guns and high capacity magazines.

That's not what I've focused on at all on this thread or others, is it?

In fact, on this thread, I'm focusing on mental health.

You're the one trying to drag us away from that focus.

 

[LV426]

Which is the crux of the problem: expecting an irrational person to make a rational decision.

Exactly, so then doesn't it make sense to determine if that person is irrational before they buy the gun?

How do you do that? By making pre-screenings mandatory and recurring.

That also adds in a level of accountability where one doesn't currently exist.

 

[LV426]

Disagreed, but I'm fascinated why you think mentally ill people should vote and run for office...much less drive 70MPH in the opposite lane you.

We don't know who is mentally ill and who isn't because you don't want to pre-screen anyone for mental illness.

So until you resolve that inherent cognitive dissonance, we can't have an honest discussion or debate.

 

[LV426]

Many people who have mental health disorders consider their signs and symptoms a normal part of life or avoid treatment out of shame or fear. If you're concerned about your mental health, don't hesitate to seek advice.[/I]

Remind me, which one of us opposes Medicare for All, which would extend mental health care to everyone?

Me or you?

 

[LV426]

Disagreed, but I'm fascinated why you think mentally ill people should vote and run for office...much less drive 70MPH in the opposite lane you.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/in-depth/mental-health/art-20044098
Mental health is the overall wellness of how you think, regulate your feelings and behave. Sometimes people experience a significant disturbance in this mental functioning. A mental disorder may be present when patterns or changes in thinking, feeling or behaving cause distress or disrupt a person's ability to function. A mental health disorder may affect how well you:

• Maintain personal or family relationships
• Function in social settings
• Perform at work or school
• Learn at a level expected for your age and intelligence
• Participate in other important activities

...The DSM provides criteria for making a diagnosis based on the nature, duration and impact of signs and symptoms. It also describes the typical course of the disorder, risk factors and common co-existing conditions.

Another commonly used diagnostic guideline is the International Classification of Diseases (ICD) from the World Health Organization.

Health insurance companies use the diagnostic coding system of the DSM and ICD in determining coverage and benefits and to reimburse mental health professionals....

...Many people who have mental health disorders consider their signs and symptoms a normal part of life or avoid treatment out of shame or fear. If you're concerned about your mental health, don't hesitate to seek advice.

So you cry crocodile tears over mental illness, but then oppose every single effort to address it.

So I think you do this masturbation purely for attention; you don't care about mental health at all, you just care about people paying attention to you.

 

[LV426]

Awesome. Dude, you're smart enough to see that's treating the symptoms again, not the causes.

You don't want to address the causes because you oppose Medicare for All, which would address the causes.

So what the fuck do you think you're accomplishing here?

 

[evince]

A variety of the same type you and Beto want to take.

Grandfathering


Get it

Use it responsibly and it won’t be TAKEN


YOU CANT SELL IT TO ANYONE BUT THE GOVERNMENT


YOU CANT GIVE IT TO ANYONE

YOUR RELATIVES CANT INHERIT IT


we can even offer incentives to entice people to sell it to the government


They are just dangerous toys


No one needs them

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Walt,

Access to mental healthcare has been a major issue that Democrats have been pushing, but there is a lot of pushback. Even if we can get universal healthcare, which includes mental healthcare, many mentally sick people would not be willing to get help. Then we have to start working on trying to convince those in need to get help, which is another huge hurdle.

None of this is easy. It will take time, and a lot of effort. Unfortunately, even easy things are hard with an evenly divided Senate.

Trump could easily afford it himself, and he sure needs extensive counseling, but he won't even go even if it was 'free.'.

 

[evince]

..or vote or drive or run for office.

Bullshit

Utter stupid bullshit


Did you lose your fucking mind?