Proof machines were manipulated in our elections

[Damocles]

He has a point to some extent.

It's not to "some extent", it is very real. But we've gotten you this far.

what we know about this case right now does not prove the machines were manipulated.

Exactly, which was my point. What you posted was not "evidence" that the machines were manipulated.

I have no doubt that in the end the evidence in the case will show that a machine was manipulated.

Which may be true, we know it is possible therefore it could have happened and if it did, there doubtless will be evidence. I couldn't have done it without the Ds on our election panel throwing a fit. I find that clear and direct testimony being absent is quite telling. Either they set up the Election Judge panels with only people they know would do this, or all the other judges fell asleep, or... well, there really isn't evidence of the tampering that you are suspecting.

If this goes back as far as 2002 (I think it was what they said) and it took this long to prosecute then I bet someone went along with the instructions and someone did not go along and reported it.

If everyone who was instructed didnt go along and reported it the case would have gone down real quick.

The proof is very likely in the evidence we have yet to see.

I know if its possible to fuck with an election that someone did just that and the Rs won a couple of elections when the exit polls did not jive with that election.

The really, really sad thing is everyone made excuses for why instead of investigating the obvious need for a GOOD reason they did not match.

Never again, I promise you Rs if its ever in reverse I will help you fight to have the real problem investigated.

And if there is evidence of such direct tampering, I will happily call for their lynching along with you.

 

[evince]

Sorry damo but its been a long 8 years for me knowing that the evidence was so obvious that the elections were tampered with and that the evidence is so very clear to support that yet somehow I was a nutcase for thinking about that fact.

We have sworn testimony from people and court documents that make your hair curl and this country still thinks its nutty to see what is so obviously there.

Its treason of the highest order to me and I swear on my life I would support this issue even if it was dems doing it.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

No brother, that's stupid.

This is about the FACT that votes COULD BE CHANGED.

Why can they be changed .. BECAUSE THE SOFTWARE IN VULNERABLE AND DESIGNED for fraud.

Do you know what a negative vote is?

It's a count of a physical negative person.

Do you know any physical negative people?

If not, explain why it's in the software? .. and if you can't, I can.

Do you know what a coded trojan horse is?

If you do, can you find a trojan horse I've embedded within millions of lines of code without open-source software?

Can you find it with a test?

No my dear brother... you once again are incorrect. The FUCKING TITLE of the thread states what? 'PROOF machines were manipulated' Then Desh quotes an article (her proof) that states someone was told how to change votes. That is NOT 'proof' that vote fraud occured.

The rest of your post is meaningless as you are attempting another discussion within the thread. No one that I have seen has stated that fraud cannot or has not occured. We were responding to this particular piece of Desh's 'proof'.

 

[Damocles]

Sorry damo but its been a long 8 years for me knowing that the evidence was so obvious that the elections were tampered with and that the evidence is so very clear to support that yet somehow I was a nutcase for thinking about that fact.

We have sworn testimony from people and court documents that make your hair curl and this country still thinks its nutty to see what is so obviously there.

Its treason of the highest order to me and I swear on my life I would support this issue even if it was dems doing it.

What part of the sentence, "If there is evidence of direct tampering I'll happily call for their lynching along with you." meant that I would not support you if such evidence is shown to exist?

The sworn testimony you have posted earlier is about the fact that it can be done, not that it has been. If I solemnly swear and then testify that I can steal a car in under 40 seconds, does that mean I have stolen your car?

 

[evince]

I really did not mean to suggest you wouldnt Damo.

I just now have a glimmer of hope it will end, believe me if the Dems start using it to win elections I will not be a dem.

 

[cawacko]

What part of the sentence, "If there is evidence of direct tampering I'll happily call for their lynching along with you." meant that I would not support you if such evidence is shown to exist?

The sworn testimony you have posted earlier is about the fact that it can be done, not that it has been. If I solemnly swear and then testify that I can steal a car in under 40 seconds, does that mean I have stolen your car?

Haha, I will testify under oath that I can kick Superfreak's *ss with one arm
tied behind my back and that would be fact.

 

[Damocles]

Haha, I will testify under oath that I can kick Superfreak's *ss with one arm
tied behind my back and that would be fact.

LOL.

 

[unphased]

Clay County Circuit Court Judge Russell Cletus Maricle, 65, and school superintendent Douglas C. Adams, 57, allegedly used their status in the county to influence the appointment of corrupt members to the Clay County Board of Election Officials and caused election officers to commit acts of extortion, mail fraud, and bribery. Maricle also allegedly instructed a witness to testify falsely before a federal grand jury in Lexington.
Clay County Clerk, Freddy Thompson, 45, allegedly provided money to election officers to be distributed by the officers to buy votes and he also instructed officers how to change votes at the voting machine. The indictment also accused Thompson of a false testimony before a grand jury in Lexington.
Election officer William E. Stivers, 56, allegedly marked votes or issued tickets to voters who had sold their votes and changed votes at the voting machine. Stivers also allegedly instructed a witness to testify falsely before a federal grand jury.
Paul E. Bishop, 60, allegedly marked voters or issued tickets to voters who sold their votes and he also hosted alleged meetings at his home where money was pooled together by candidates and distributed to election officers, including himself. He was also accused of instructing the officers how to change votes at the voting machine.
William B. Morris, 66, and Debra L. Morris, 49, distributed funds pooled by the members of the scheme in order to buy votes. The couple owned and operated a transportation sanitation company and was active in the political affairs of Clay County.

Ok, I'm confused how does this story constitute "Proof Machines were manipulated in our elections" ? As far as I'm aware allegations are not the same thing as proof.

Methinks you chose poorly when selecting the wording for your thread topic.

That being said, allegations of election tampering should be taken very seriously and one can only hope that the authorities involved in this matter will do their utmost to uncover the truth.

 

[evince]

Kinda went over that already in the thread.

The evidence is so overwhelming already that something was done with the voting machines over the last ten years that its an unholy shame someone isnt already in jail but yes I did get over excited about the evidence here.

I have been trying to get people to pay attention to this issue for years. People are dead because we ignored the evidence.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Haha, I will testify under oath that I believe I can kick Superfreak's *ss with one arm
tied behind my back and that would be fact.

fixed that for ya.

friggin delusional trojan.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Kinda went over that already in the thread.

The evidence is so overwhelming already that something was done with the voting machines over the last ten years that its an unholy shame someone isnt already in jail but yes I did get over excited about the evidence here.

I have been trying to get people to pay attention to this issue for years. People are dead because we ignored the evidence.

again... for the 432nd time... you have provided NO evidence that fraud HAS occured. You have simply provided an article with hearsay with regards to people who have been 'taught to change votes at the machines'... which I also state again.... could mean electronic tampering or could mean altering votes in another manner.

You have shown NO evidence at all that tampering occured. If you showed that... THEN you would have my support.

We all know that tampering COULD happen. But lots of things COULD happen. It doesn't mean they have or will.

 

[unphased]

The evidence is so overwhelming already that something was done with the voting machines over the last ten years that its an unholy shame someone isnt already in jail but yes I did get over excited about the evidence here.

It is ? well why not provide some of said "overwhelming evidence" instead of attempting to transmute allegations into proof ?

I have been trying to get people to pay attention to this issue for years.

You and a bunch of other people (Black Box comes to mind) however the common theme seems to be a presumption of guilt from jump, not to mention relying heavily on a combination of circumstantial and anecdotal evidence, not exactly a smart way to present your case in a nation whose justice system is predicated on the presumption of innocence.

People are dead because we ignored the evidence.

Really? people died from election tampering ? what were people falsely convicted of said crime and sentenced to death or something ?

 

[cawacko]

again... for the 432nd time... you have provided NO evidence that fraud HAS occured. You have simply provided an article with hearsay with regards to people who have been 'taught to change votes at the machines'... which I also state again.... could mean electronic tampering or could mean altering votes in another manner.

You have shown NO evidence at all that tampering occured. If you showed that... THEN you would have my support.

We all know that tampering COULD happen. But lots of things COULD happen. It doesn't mean they have or will.

This.

 

[cawacko]

Really? people died from election tampering ? what were people falsely convicted of said crime and sentenced to death or something ?

Please allow me to translate Desh speak for your sir. Election tampering allowed Bush to steal the 2000 (and 2004) election. Had Gore been President 9/11 likely would not have happened. Thus no dead at WTC and no war in Afghanistan. Now even if Gore could not have prevented 9/11 he DEFINITELY would not have gone to war Iraq. Thus no loss of life.

 

[unphased]

Please allow me to translate Desh speak for your sir. Election tampering allowed Bush to steal the 2000 (and 2004) election. Had Gore been President 9/11 likely would not have happened. Thus no dead at WTC and no war in Afghanistan. Now even if Gore could not have prevented 9/11 he DEFINITELY would not have gone to war Iraq. Thus no loss of life.

I hope to god you are joking, 'cause that is so irrational it gave me a headache just reading it.

What the heck is "Desh speak" BTW ? some kinda left winger code language ?

 

[cawacko]

I hope to god you are joking, 'cause that is so irrational it gave me a headache just reading it.

What the heck is "Desh speak" BTW ? some kinda left winger code language ?

As one who spends too much time on this board you get to learn most peoples postions and beliefs pretty well. That is the case with Desh as she has made this argument multiple times in the past. Thus my comment "Desh speak" is just a phrase for being able to read between the lines for what she really means.

And no my above translation is not a joke. That is what she is referring to.

Edit: I'm sorry I didn't even realize I was doing it. Evince's former screen name was Desh so I have always been in the habit of referring to her as Desh. So "Desh speak" = "Evince Speak".

 

[evince]

Desh = evince.

He is right btw.

Bush allowed 911 to happen either trhough neglect or on purpose.

If Bush had not been president we may not have had 911, even if we had Gore would not have gone into Iraq. all the people who have died in Iraq because of the war would not be dead because of the war.



I can go get a list of the threads that I have posted on the vote fraud if you would like.

 

[unphased]

Desh = evince.

He is right btw.

Gotcha, makes sense now, well the "Desh speak" part of it anyways, the rest of it strikes me as somewhat irrational.

Bush allowed 911 to happen either trhough neglect or on purpose.

Agreed, President Bush was in office at the time and as Harry Truman said "The Buck Stops Here" (or at least it should), so he did fail in his primary obligation to protect the citizenry, although I have seen absolutely no credible evidence that it was "on purpose" so that's not even a consideration from my perspective.

If Bush had not been president we may not have had 911,

Poppycock, you have no way of knowing let alone proving this.

even if we had Gore would not have gone into Iraq.

More poppycock, you have no way of knowing let alone proving this.

all the people who have died in Iraq because of the war would not be dead because of the war.

Yes and if Wright Brothers hadn't invented airplanes there would have been no 9/11 so ultimately those bastages must be to blame.


I really hope you're just pulling my leg here and don't actually buy into this convulted yarn you're attempting to spin.

I can go get a list of the threads that I have posted on the vote fraud if you would like.

I appreciate the offer don't bother though, my search engines work just fine

 

[evince]

Why would Gore have gone into Iraq?

 

[evince]

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/022507.html