Proof machines were manipulated in our elections

[evince]

no, I insulted you because as soon as you found out there were two republicans involved and that clay county KY is a large republican county, you were all about the Bush DOJ and that would soon be taken care of by Obama, then everyone else was a rightwinger and slamming Obama for trumping the DOJ like bush did, and who knows what other insanity you were referring to.

There were two Rs involved?

where is your evidence?

 

[evince]

As I'm sure you already know, I'm with you on this, but after years of fighting this battle I'm simply too tired of it .. and too disgusted with the ignorance of people who argue against it. I must have been the first person in Georgia to start publicy screaming about it and I've done more interviews, town hall meetings, documentaries, panel discussions, and oped articles on the issue than I ever care to do again.

Far too many dumbed-down Americans would rather play gotcha' politics than address one of the most crucial issues staring us right in the face. In fact, in a democracy there can be no more critical element of it then the integrity of the vote.

There is a shitload of evidence that demonstrates the vulnerability of our election system and the manipulation of vote results. For years, information technology experts have been screaming at the top of their lungs about the third-world software use that is designed for fraud.

The Leon County, Florida Hack should have set off alarms all over the country and made Americans demand transparenvy an integrity in our vote.

Venezuela has more integrity in their election system than the United States and Brazil has the best in the world.

With the plethora of evidence, data, studies,and information available of how vulnerable our system is .. if the dumbed-down haven't figured it out by now, they never will.

They will get it when the convictions come down.

Until then they will pretend that its all hoooey.

I think it would be great if this is all dems and they get convicted. Then when Rs are taken to task for what they have done they wont have a leg to stand on.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

There were two Rs involved?

where is your evidence?

your post #13 referenced the state reps and you said they were Rs. You didn't specify that they were part of the issue or not, you just threw it out there. You should have stated that you were just throwing random info in to the thread instead of intimating that you were blaming republicans by throwing irrelevant information in to the mix.

 

[evince]

I thew it out there to show that Rs won the elections.

If it was a dem concerted effort to fix the election it did not work right.

I was sharing my reseach on the subject.

You were fucking wrong huh about what you claimed I said huh?

 

[blackascoal]

no, I insulted you because as soon as you found out there were two republicans involved and that clay county KY is a large republican county, you were all about the Bush DOJ and that would soon be taken care of by Obama, then everyone else was a rightwinger and slamming Obama for trumping the DOJ like bush did, and who knows what other insanity you were referring to.

You insulted her because you like insulting her sir.

She didn't post this thread claiming that republicans were at the center of this. She's been posting intelligently on this issue for years and is knowledgeable enough to know that both democrats and republicans are involved and both bear responsibility for not legislating integrity in our election system.

Instead of intelligently dissecting the information and reacting as if we ALL have a duty and responsibility to seek the truth of it as CITIZENS and acting as AMERICANS to do something about it, we get the usual silly ass 8th grader fucking games of gotcha.

Why are you not thanking her for posting this account which is critical to the very integrity of democracy?

 

[evince]

Because hes a partisan hack.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

You insulted her because you like insulting her sir.

guilty as charged.

She didn't post this thread claiming that republicans were at the center of this. She's been posting intelligently on this issue for years and is knowledgeable enough to know that both democrats and republicans are involved and both bear responsibility for not legislating integrity in our election system.

I never said she posted this claiming that republicans were responsible.

Instead of intelligently dissecting the information and reacting as if we ALL have a duty and responsibility to seek the truth of it as CITIZENS and acting as AMERICANS to do something about it, we get the usual silly ass 8th grader fucking games of gotcha.

she started it.

Why are you not thanking her for posting this account which is critical to the very integrity of democracy?

because she's a partisan hack?

 

[Damocles]

Desh, during our classes we are shown how people can come in with a copy of "their electric bill" and vote fraudulently. By your criteria here that means that it happens and that would be evidence of it, yet you say there is never any evidence for that (can't collect it, that would be illegal).

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I thew it out there to show that Rs won the elections.

If it was a dem concerted effort to fix the election it did not work right.

I was sharing my reseach on the subject.

You were fucking wrong huh about what you claimed I said huh?

no, i wasn't wrong. what I CLAIMED you did was turn right around and start slamming republicans, Bush, and his DOJ manipulation (which you did do). I will, however, admit that I was wrong about you claiming that two R's were involved in it.

 

[blackascoal]

Desh, during our classes we are shown how people can come in with a copy of "their electric bill" and vote fraudulently. By your criteria here that means that it happens and that would be evidence of it, yet you say there is never any evidence for that (can't collect it, that would be illegal).

Please post the evidence of large numbers of people using false documentation to vote in a country where people who can vote legally often vote in percentages of 30-40%.

That isn't a real comparison at all because the evidence Desh is talking about is done through software .. which means one person can change the vote of thousands or even millions.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Please post the evidence of large numbers of people using false documentation to vote in a country where people who can vote legally often vote in percentages of 30-40%.

That isn't a real comparison at all because the evidence Desh is talking about is done through software .. which means one person can change the vote of thousands or even millions.

those are indeed two separate issues, but Chicago is all the evidence Damo would need to prove his point.

 

[blackascoal]

those are indeed two separate issues, but Chicago is all the evidence Damo would need to prove his point.

If that were true, and it's not, then why aren't both of you applauding the efforts to ensure the integrity of the vote?

Is Voter-Id supposed to ensure the integrity of the software?

None of these arguments being made make the slightest fucking bit of sense, including Damo's.

There is a proven vulnerability, proven holes and backdoors in the software, proven cases of manipulation of the software, yet the dumbed-down argument is to make it about political party.

Americans deserve the government we get.

 

[Topspin]

In case anyone wasn't yet convinced. Yes she is that stupid.

 

[Immanuel]

We should go back to paper until we can desgin machines that are fully auditable and have an intity that can monitor, check and certify the machines.


Again I am going to rub it in.....I WAS RIGHT!

Yeah, and then when your candidate loses the election, you can lightly drag your pen over the bubble next to his name and claim that since there are two marks on the ballot, the voter clearly intended to vote for the Democrat and thus your candidate wins.

Cheating happens and when it happens and the cheaters get caught, they should be prosecuted, but only a moron would claim that only the other party does it.

Immie

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Please post the evidence of large numbers of people using false documentation to vote in a country where people who can vote legally often vote in percentages of 30-40%.

That isn't a real comparison at all because the evidence Desh is talking about is done through software .. which means one person can change the vote of thousands or even millions.

what he is referring to is the FACT that the only thing mentioned in Deshs article is that someone was told how to change votes AT the voting machines. Telling someone HOW to do something is neither proof that they DID change any votes nor is it proof that they COULD. Desh is pretending that because someone said that someone else told people how to do something that somehow PROOF exists that fraud occured. That is idiocy at its finest.

 

[Damocles]

Please post the evidence of large numbers of people using false documentation to vote in a country where people who can vote legally often vote in percentages of 30-40%.

That isn't a real comparison at all because the evidence Desh is talking about is done through software .. which means one person can change the vote of thousands or even millions.

(I would like to note here that I simply pointed out that just teaching me about it as they do in classes when you are going to be an election judge does not mean that it happened or that it is evidence that it happened.)

What part of "it is illegal to collect the evidence" means that there is a plethora of evidence available?

Either you cannot read, refused to read, or you are disingenuous here.

None of which changes the fact that teaching people about something is not evidence that something nefarious has been done.

We've learned here today that if you are a liberal:

1. If I teach you how to kick people in the face, that means you are assaulting people.
2. If I show you how to use a "copy" of an electric bill to vote, that means you have voted.
3. If I show you how to cancel a ballot and reissue a new one, that means you are illegally canceling people's votes.
4. And if I show you how it would appear if somebody was changing votes at the machine, that means you are changing votes at the machine.

Apparently if I teach you how to avoid having your car stolen, and show you some of the techniques that are used to steal cars, that means you are stealing cars.

 

[blackascoal]

(I would like to note here that I simply pointed out that just teaching me about it as they do in classes when you are going to be an election judge does not mean that it happened or that it is evidence that it happened.)

What part of "it is illegal to collect the evidence" means that there is a plethora of evidence available?

Either you cannot read, refused to read, or you are disingenuous here.

None of which changes the fact that teaching people about something is not evidence that something nefarious has been done.

We've learned here today that if you are a liberal:

1. If I teach you how to kick people in the face, that means you are assaulting people.
2. If I show you how to use a "copy" of an electric bill to vote, that means you have voted.
3. If I show you how to cancel a ballot and reissue a new one, that means you are illegally canceling people's votes.
4. And if I show you how it would appear if somebody was changing votes at the machine, that means you are changing votes at the machine.

Apparently if I teach you how to avoid having your car stolen, and show you some of the techniques that are used to steal cars, that means you are stealing cars.

WHAT?

Seriously, I have no clue what the fuck that was.

This isn't about stealing cars or being liberal or conservative. This is about a PROVEN vulnerability in our election system.

... jeez

 

[blackascoal]

what he is referring to is the FACT that the only thing mentioned in Deshs article is that someone was told how to change votes AT the voting machines. Telling someone HOW to do something is neither proof that they DID change any votes nor is it proof that they COULD. Desh is pretending that because someone said that someone else told people how to do something that somehow PROOF exists that fraud occured. That is idiocy at its finest.

No brother, that's stupid.

This is about the FACT that votes COULD BE CHANGED.

Why can they be changed .. BECAUSE THE SOFTWARE IN VULNERABLE AND DESIGNED for fraud.

Do you know what a negative vote is?

It's a count of a physical negative person.

Do you know any physical negative people?

If not, explain why it's in the software? .. and if you can't, I can.

Do you know what a coded trojan horse is?

If you do, can you find a trojan horse I've embedded within millions of lines of code without open-source software?

Can you find it with a test?

 

[evince]

He has a point to some extent.

what we know about this case right now does not prove the machines were manipulated.

I have no doubt that in the end the evidence in the case will show that a machine was manipulated.

If this goes back as far as 2002 (I think it was what they said) and it took this long to prosecute then I bet someone went along with the instructions and someone did not go along and reported it.

If everyone who was instructed didnt go along and reported it the case would have gone down real quick.

The proof is very likely in the evidence we have yet to see.

I know if its possible to fuck with an election that someone did just that and the Rs won a couple of elections when the exit polls did not jive with that election.

The really, really sad thing is everyone made excuses for why instead of investigating the obvious need for a GOOD reason they did not match.

Never again, I promise you Rs if its ever in reverse I will help you fight to have the real problem investigated.

 

[Damocles]

WHAT?

Seriously, I have no clue what the fuck that was.

This isn't about stealing cars or being liberal or conservative. This is about a PROVEN vulnerability in our election system.

... jeez

My point in this thread is that when you teach somebody about something, it is not evidence that something has happened.

You then broke in with "give me the evidence!"

That's "what".