Do we NEED to find improper ballots or rigged machines to overturn election?

Stretch said:
No.

Even if not one single vote was fraudulently presented, the bottom line is that certain states went against the US Constitution
rules that lawmakers take an oath to uphold. They lied in their oath and have now happily flaunted their disobedience.
The states which openly and purposefully took the job away from the state legislatures to direct the selection of electors have violated the law.
This can disqualify them. Very simple. Art. 2 Sec. 1 Clause 2.
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right. none of this "we have to prove there was enough fraud to make a difference".
 
Stretch said:
No.

Even if not one single vote was fraudulently presented, the bottom line is that certain states went against the US Constitution
rules that lawmakers take an oath to uphold. They lied in their oath and have now happily flaunted their disobedience.
The states which openly and purposefully took the job away from the state legislatures to direct the selection of electors have violated the law.
This can disqualify them. Very simple. Art. 2 Sec. 1 Clause 2.
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So that makes all members of Congress elected under those rules invalid.
 
Trump would have us believe that the founders, after escaping a tyrant, would make the VP of the United States the most powerful man in the world.
 
Stretch said:
No.

Even if not one single vote was fraudulently presented, the bottom line is that certain states went against the US Constitution
rules that lawmakers take an oath to uphold. They lied in their oath and have now happily flaunted their disobedience.
The states which openly and purposefully took the job away from the state legislatures to direct the selection of electors have violated the law.
This can disqualify them. Very simple. Art. 2 Sec. 1 Clause 2.
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There is a pandemic asshole. Desperate times call for desperate measures and any and all changes were made prior to the election and approved by the respective states. If you don't like it you should have said something prior to the election. That or you can eat shit, nobody cares.
 
Stretch said:
It's starting to look to me like Pence will kick the matter back to the State Legislatures in those states with competing slates.
This would be the right thing to do since it's those SL's responsibility in the 1st place.
Then just let the chips fall where they may. We'll see.
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Congress can't do jack shit the election is over and the next president has been selected. Once they count the votes today you assholes will come up with some other stupid fucking excuse why Biden won't be sworn in. When do you assholes give it up?
 
Port Tack said:
Congress can't do jack shit the election is over and the next president has been selected. Once they count the votes today you assholes will come up with some other stupid fucking excuse why Biden won't be sworn in. When do you assholes give it up?
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Go watch the process at 1pm.
 
Stretch said:
Go watch the process at 1pm.
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I plan to watch as much as I can. These are the traditions that make our country great - and show the kind of checks & balances we have to protect all Americans and the votes that they cast.

The peaceful transition of power is something to be celebrated, and is still a shining example for many around the world.
 
Like I've said.
It will one or the other as #46. We'll see what happens today. We'll see what Pence does and does not do.
The process is legit. Both sides know that which is why they will be there today in the 1st place. It's been done before.
Again.......we'll see.
 
Stretch said:
Like I've said.
It will one or the other as #46. We'll see what happens today. We'll see what Pence does and does not do.
The process is legit. Both sides know that which is why they will be there today in the 1st place. It's been done before.
Again.......we'll see.
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Backtrack king already, isn’t that cute!

sorry bad autocorrect
 
Stretch said:
???????????

I'm talking about the very simple act of electors being chosen by the SL's. That's all.
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The state legislature gives the role of choosing electors to the winner of the popular vote. That was the way electoral votes were chosen.

The laws about when votes were due, etc. were not about electoral votes, but still came under a constitutional requirement for state legislatures to determine election procedures. If the election is invalid because those procedures were not followed, then it also applies to state legislatures, Congress.....
 
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere we go............. AZ hearing the objection. So, it begins. Adjourned for 2 hours for discussion.:cool:
 
Flash said:
The state legislature gives the role of choosing electors to the winner of the popular vote. That was the way electoral votes were chosen.

The laws about when votes were due, etc. were not about electoral votes, but still came under a constitutional requirement for state legislatures to determine election procedures. If the election is invalid because those procedures were not followed, then it also applies to state legislatures, Congress.....
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Are you paying attention to the hearing?
2 hour break now......back later.
 
Stretch said:
No.

Even if not one single vote was fraudulently presented, the bottom line is that certain states went against the US Constitution
rules that lawmakers take an oath to uphold. They lied in their oath and have now happily flaunted their disobedience.
The states which openly and purposefully took the job away from the state legislatures to direct the selection of electors have violated the law.
This can disqualify them. Very simple. Art. 2 Sec. 1 Clause 2.
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You are talking out your ass! You are a disgruntled miserable old wretch that has no proof of any wrong doing, and now lying and making wild accusations, and just sounding like a desperate sore loser who can't handle the reality of losing an election.

I can't wait for the Democrats to follow your lead and precedent on all future elections that do not go the Democrats way!

And next time, we will actually own both houses of congress and can decide the next election by pulling the same stunt that your Republicans are going to fail in their attempt to do today- BECAUSE YOU DO NOT OWN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES!

Turn about is fair play, and we now have a precedent to follow.

THANKS YOU MISERABLE OLD SORE LOSING WRETCH! Thanks for creating the new standard for how we select our own president regardless to what the electors say. THIS IS GOING TO COME IN HANDY FROM NOW ON!

Your ugly ass will die, dry up, and grow together - but the precedent and new standard will carry on forever now for all future generations to have to endure!
 
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Geeko Sportivo said:
You are talking out your ass! You are a disgruntled miserable old wretch that has no proof of any wrong doing, and now lying and making wild accusations, and just sounding like a desperate sore loser who can't handle the reality of losing an election.

I can't wait for the Democrats to follow your lead and precedent on all future elections that do not go the Democrats way!

And next time, we will actually own both houses of congress and can decide the next election by pulling the same stunt that your Republicans are going to fail in their attempt today.

Turn about is fair play, and we now have a precedent to follow.

THANKS YOU MISERABLE OLD SORE LOSING WRETCH!
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You've already done it 4 times in the past. It happens. It's constitutional. Relax. You guys might win. Follow the hearing today so you
can gain 1st hand information on how this procedure works. Make a nice frozen drink, sit back, relax. :cool:
 
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