If masks and other government policies work, how do you explain this?

[Into the Night]

does the fact Obama DOUBLED the national debt bring any percentages to mind?......

He didn't. The House added to the debt, and also significantly raised M2 (printed money without corresponding increase in wealth, causing inflation). Presidents to not have authorization to initiate spending bills.

 

[Hoosier Daddy]

In deaths it's Progressive New Jersey, followed by New York, and that bastion of Leftism, Massachusetts.

hate to burst your snot bubble, math challenged bozo, but states that have the most people, and especially the most people in nursing homes who were exposed before we knew how damn dangerous and prevalent this new virus was, will generally have more deaths than nowhere states like montana and wyoming. duh. the best way is to use per capita death rates, and even then, other factors may be involved, numbnuts.

5,368 dead and counting: An investigation of state failures as ...www.nj.com › coronavirus › 2020/05 › 5300-dead-and...
May 20, 2020 — More than 40% of the coronavirus deaths in the state have been tied to ... the long-term care facility in New Jersey with the most deaths is the state-run ... Absurdly low pay led to staffing shortages long before the virus struck. ... administrators were also far too slow in recognizing the need to lock down ...

Nearly 2,000 Dead as Coronavirus Ravages Nursing Homes ...www.nytimes.com › 2020/04/11 › nyregion › nursing-ho...
May 13, 2020 — The facilities knew that frail and aging residents were especially vulnerable to the outbreak, but they were unable to stop it.

COVID-19 Hit Mass. Nursing Homes Hard — Especially Those ...www.wbur.org › commonhealth › 2020/10/23 › racial-...
Oct 23, 2020 — In Massachusetts, nursing homes were hit hard and early by the coronavirus. ... Twenty people died from COVID-19 in Kinney's nursing home.

 

[Into the Night]

except he did not. why do you think he did? here are some facts-

Learn what the word 'fact' means.

first, let's look at what trump has done, despite being left an economy in great shape-

The economy wasn't in good shape until Trump came along and got government out of the way of it.

During the 2016 presidential campaign, Republican candidate Donald Trump promised he would eliminate the nation’s debt in eight years.

Lie. He never made any such promise, not could he do any such thing.

1 Instead, his budget estimates showed that he would actually add at least $8.3 trillion, increasing the U.S. debt to $28.5 trillion by 2025.2

He didn't. The House did. Democrats.

However, the national debt may reach that figure much sooner.

Blame the House. They are the only ones that can add to the debt.

When President Trump took office in January 2017, the national debt stood at $19.9 trillion. In October 2020, the national debt reached a new high of $27 trillion.

Blame the House. Trump has no authority to increase the debt or to reduce it.
Currently, the federal debt is 128% of the GDP.

Trump has overseen the fastest increase in the debt of any president—almost 36% from 2017 to 2020. Trump has not fulfilled his campaign promise to cut the debt. Instead, he's done the opposite.

Trump never promised to cut the debt. Only the House can do that.

now for obama, compared to reagan and gomer bush and others-

They were never representatives in the House.

What's the best way to determine how much each president has contributed to our nation's nearly $27 trillion in U.S. debt?

Look at the Constitution. President contributions is zero, zip, nada, nan. Presidents do not add to the debt.

The most popular ways to do so involve comparing the debt level from when a president enters office to the debt level when they leave, and comparing the debt as a percentage of economic output, which takes into account the size of the economy at the time the administration accumulated the debt.

Fakery. Only the House has authority to add to the debt.

Top Five Debt Contributors by Percentage
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945): President Roosevelt had the largest percentage increase to the debt. Although he only added $236 billion, this was a nearly 1,050% increase from the $22.5 billion debt level left by President Herbert Hoover. The Great Depression and the New Deal contributed to FDR's yearly deficits,

WRONG. FDR caused the Great Depression. The New Deal was largely unconstitutional.

but the biggest cost was World War II: It added $186.3 billion to the debt between 1942 and 1945.4

Nope. The House added to the debt. It is the only thing that can.

Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921): President Wilson was the second-largest contributor to the debt, percentage-wise. He added $21 billion, which was a 724% increase over the $2.9 billion debt of his predecessor. World War I contributed to the deficits that raised the national debt.5

Nope. Presidents do not add to the debt. The House does.

Ronald Reagan (1981-1989): President Reagan increased the debt by $1.85 trillion, or by 186%. Reagan's brand of supply-side economics didn't grow the economy enough to offset the lost revenue from its tax cuts.

Nope. Reagan was never a representative in the House.

George W. Bush (2001-2009): President Bush added $6.1 trillion, or a 101% increase, putting him in fourth.

Bush was never a representative in the House.

Barack Obama (2009-2017): Under President Obama, the national debt grew the most dollar-wise ($8.6 trillion) but was fifth in terms of percentage: 74%. Obama fought the Great Recession with an $831 billion economic stimulus package and added $858 billion through tax cuts.7 8

Obama increased taxes. He didn't cut them.

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You are cut and pasting. You have no mind of your own.

 

[katzgar]

Reagan didn't start any wars.

you're assuming everybody's as uneducated as you are and we're not some of us are actually educated so when you say Reagan didn't start any wars we all know better you're just a stone cold liar

 

[Into the Night]

Got any scientific evidence to support these amazing conflations, old man?

Science isn't evidence. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. There is no such thing as 'scientific evidence'. There is only 'evidence'. Evidence is not a proof.

Masks do not stop any virus. This isn't about science, it's about an engineering standard. Masks are about as effective as a tea strainer used as a spoon when it comes to a virus.

 

[Micawber]

that is insane, boy. you cannot be that stupid.

He is. He doesn't fathom that the exhaled virus is attached to larger fluid molecules that are often trapped by a mask and whose
propagation is reduced. He is that stupid. They all are. All Republicans are painfully and indefatigably dense, as a character trait,
state of being and in practice in real time every waking moment. They are so dumb from the frontal cortex to the spine that
they often forget to breathe.

 

[Into the Night]

funny!! Experts? you don't need no stinkin' experts....

that is the dumbest shit you have ever posted. you just somehow have a "gut feeling" that is more accurate than what 99% of what all experts believe!!

Expert worship. Argument from randU fallacy. Void argument fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Still Confused About Masks? Here's the Science Behind How ...www.ucsf.edu › news › 2020/06 › still-confused-about-...
Jun 26, 2020 — But health experts say the evidence is clear that masks can help prevent the spread of COVID-19 and that the more people wearing masks, the better.

Cut and paste. Expert worship. Void argument fallacy. Denial of engineering. Masks do not stop any virus. False authority fallacy. Government funded source.

COVID-19: How much protection do face masks offer? - Mayo ...www.mayoclinic.org › coronavirus-mask › art-20485449
Cloth face coverings are most likely to reduce the spread of the COVID-19 virus when they are widely used by people in public settings. And countries that required ...

Cut and paste. Denial of engineering. False authority fallacy. Government funded source.

New Study Highlights New Evidence That Masks Prevent ...health.clevelandclinic.org › new-study-highlights-new-...
Aug 28, 2020 — New Study Highlights New Evidence That Masks Prevent Coronavirus Spread. Our expert weighs in on the new data.

Studies are not a proof. They are not science either. Math errors: failure to declare and justify variance. Failure to publish unbiased raw data. Failure to select by randN. Failure to normalize by paired randR. Failure to calculate margin of error. Logic errors: false authority fallacy, denial of mathematics, argument from randU fallacies, denial of engineering.

Community Use Of Face Masks And COVID-19: Evidence ...www.healthaffairs.org › doi › hlthaff.2020.00818
Because mask wearing by infected people can reduce transmission risk, and because ... of widespread use of face masks in reducing the spread of COVID-19.
by W Lyu · ‎2020 · ‎Cited by 143

Circular argument fallacy. Math errors (same as before). Logic errors (same as before). Government funded source. False authority fallacy.

The science and psychology behind masking to prevent the ...www.aamc.org › news-insights › science-and-psycholo...
Jul 30, 2020 — DO take a face mask with you wherever you go. · DO cover your mouth and nose with a face mask to stop the spread of COVID-19. · DO wear a ..

Psychoquackery. Government funded source. False authority fallacy.

Masks & Face Coverings for the Public - IDSAwww.idsociety.org › infection-prevention › masks-and-...
Dec 9, 2020 — Use of simple masks can reduce transmission of COVID-19 by 40% (95% uncertainty interval [UI], 20% to 54%). Worldwide universal mask use ...

Math errors: Failure to declare boundary. Failure to declare randX. Use of randU as data. Logic errors: circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism), argument from randU fallacies, denial of engineering, buzzword fallacies, false authority fallacy. Government funded source.

Face masks considerably reduce COVID-19 cases in ...www.pnas.org › content › early › 2020/12/02
Dec 3, 2020 — While there is a growing consensus from clinical studies that face masks significantly reduce the transmission risk of severe acute respiratory ...

Science does not use consensus. Only religions do that. Use of religion as science. Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism). Argument from randU fallacy. Math errors: Failure to declare and justify variance. Failure to publish raw data. Failure to select by randN. Failure to normalize by paired randR. Failure to calculate margin of error. Logic errors: False authority fallacy. Argument from randU fallacy. Circular argument fallacy. Denial of engineering. Redefinition fallacy (doublespeak). Government funded source.


No argument presented. Cut and pasting. Egregious denial of mathematics, logic, and engineering.

 

[Into the Night]

You failed to link a single peer-reviewed study to support your contention.

Posting "quotes" and URLs to homepages is not scientific evidence.

Science does not use consensus. It does not have 'peer review'. There is no elite voting bloc in science. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. Nothing more. Nothing less. Science is not evidence. There is no such thing as 'scientific evidence'.

 

[Into the Night]

Who told you what "99% of what all experts believe"?

It doesn't matter. It's a made up number, also known as a randU.

 

[Into the Night]

I wear my mask, keep my distance and wash my hands, but mostly I stay home.

You as a professed Christian should think of others and do no harm.

I try to think of others as a humanist.

I do not have 'the plague'. I cannot infect anyone. I do not need to wear a mask. They are completely ineffective against viruses anyway. If you wear a mask in the presence of someone infected, even if you are BOTH wearing masks, you could easily get infected. The masks make NO difference at all.

 

[Into the Night]

How about Joe Blow restaurant owner in NYC trying to make a living and pay his rent and provide for his employees? Is HE essential? How about his employees?

EVERY worker is essential, and EVERY business is essential. YOU don't get to pick winners and losers...

What's even funnier is that he somehow things that everyone depends on SOTC exports as 'essential'.

 

[Into the Night]

I stay home, that way, I know I’m protected and as you have been told, it’s not only wear your mask, but keep your distance and wash your hands!

I care about others, that is why I urge them to do those three things. I don’t like to see humans suffer and I feel empathy for those poor medical workers who are overworked physically and emotionally. I try to do no harm.

Agoraphobia.

 

[Into the Night]

You don’t understand a novel virus and how it’s a learning process and how this virus will be studied for years, like AIDS. How things science learns will evolve.

Science doesn't learn. It is not an intelligence. It is a set of falsifiable theories.

 

[Into the Night]

I will do as the evidence dictates. Unfortunately, there is no evidence that I can find that proves that masks stop the spread of the Chinese disease.

Since evidence is not a proof, that's not surprising.
However, the N95 specification says it all. Masks are completely ineffective against viruses.

 

[Into the Night]

that is insane, boy. you cannot be that stupid.

The N95 specification is not insanity.

 

[Into the Night]

again, everything you just posted is completely wrong...you blame carter for making the house print money? what does that even mean, idiot? read this-

Jimmy Carter: The Last of the Fiscally Responsible Presidents ...historynewsnetwork.org › article
Feb 16, 2020 — Many see him as a failed president who mismanaged the economy, ... Under President Trump, the national debt has reached a historic high of over ... to raise interest rates for fear of touching off a recession, and Carter was ...

History of the United States public debt - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › History_of_the_United_State...
Debt as a share of GDP has consistently increased since then, except during the terms of presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. Public debt rose during the ...

as far as war generating the economy, you clown, it is obvious if the government spends hundreds of billions on weapons and new ships and airplanes and missiles and what not, it is going into the ECONOMY...and those companies hire the shit out of workers to keep up with demand, build new facilities and whatnot. are you really this dense? it is not good for our debt, but it is good for our SHORT TERM ECONOMY....duh....


The Economic Effects of the War in Vietnam - SAGE Journalsjournals.sagepub.com › doi › pdf
understand how the war has affected inflation in the American economy, it is

America's involvement in World War II had a significant impact on the economy and workforce of the United States. ... Our involvement in the war soon changed that rate. American factories were retooled to produce goods to support the war effort and almost overnight the unemployment rate dropped to around 10%.

Impact of World War II on the US Economy and ... - Iowa PBS

Heightened military spending during conflict does create employment, additional economic activity and contributes to the development of new technologies which can then filter through into other industries. These are some of the often discussed positive benefits of heightened government spending on military outlays.

ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES of WAR on the U.S. ECONOMY


The economic benefits of war outweigh the costs. Discuss ...marshallsociety.com › uncategorized › the-economic-b...
Not only does fighting in wars benefit certain industries, the aftermaths of conflict would also present opportunities for construction companies and equipment ...

Cut and paste from Fake News sites. Presidents cannot force the House to print money or add to the debt. Carter sure encouraged it though.
Wikipedia and Fake News sites are summarily dismissed. You cannot use them as a reference with me.

 

[Into the Night]

who to believe? experts or somebody's "gut feelings?" what a tough call. how can you stand to be so stupid?

Expert worship. Void argument fallacy. Insult fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

hate to burst your snot bubble, math challenged bozo, but states that have the most people, and especially the most people in nursing homes who were exposed before we knew how damn dangerous and prevalent this new virus was, will generally have more deaths than nowhere states like montana and wyoming. duh. the best way is to use per capita death rates, and even then, other factors may be involved, numbnuts.

5,368 dead and counting: An investigation of state failures as ...www.nj.com › coronavirus › 2020/05 › 5300-dead-and...
May 20, 2020 — More than 40% of the coronavirus deaths in the state have been tied to ... the long-term care facility in New Jersey with the most deaths is the state-run ... Absurdly low pay led to staffing shortages long before the virus struck. ... administrators were also far too slow in recognizing the need to lock down ...

Nearly 2,000 Dead as Coronavirus Ravages Nursing Homes ...www.nytimes.com › 2020/04/11 › nyregion › nursing-ho...
May 13, 2020 — The facilities knew that frail and aging residents were especially vulnerable to the outbreak, but they were unable to stop it.

COVID-19 Hit Mass. Nursing Homes Hard — Especially Those ...www.wbur.org › commonhealth › 2020/10/23 › racial-...
Oct 23, 2020 — In Massachusetts, nursing homes were hit hard and early by the coronavirus. ... Twenty people died from COVID-19 in Kinney's nursing home.

Cut and paste of Fake News. Dismissed. Math errors: Ratio used as absolute scalar. Use of randU as data.

 

[Into the Night]

you're assuming everybody's as uneducated as you are and we're not some of us are actually educated so when you say Reagan didn't start any wars we all know better you're just a stone cold liar

Reagan started no wars. Insult fallacies. Denial of history.