If masks and other government policies work, how do you explain this?

[PostmodernProphet]

where is the lie, punk ass? just how confused are you?

the lie?......are you still clutching your pearls and denying that Obama doubled the national debt?....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

you are a stupid shit clown. talk about not having a clue!! the democrats tried to get punk ass trump to admit how dangerous this disease was, to do what we could to stop if from getting out of control when there were only a few thousand cases!! you moron.

you mean when they told people to go party in Chinatown it was because they wanted him to admit how dangerous the disease was........

 

[PostmodernProphet]

States like California pay for your welfare

don't be silly.......they don't even pay their own pensions.......

 

[Into the Night]

If you watched MSNBC you might have some conception on what is reported. California's troubles are well discussed. It is true that the network's commentators favor the view
of medical professionals over that of political dunderheads on dealing with the virus.

They are ignoring medical professionals. They only reports from their own politically favorable 'medical professionals', such as Fauci, that haven't practiced medicine in decades.

 

[Into the Night]

so what do the medical professionals on MSNBC say about the unavoidable fact the strictest shutdown procedures in the country have resulted in statistics that are worse than open states?......

It's 'expert' worship. He can't name the 'medical professionals' except Fauci, who hasn't practiced medicine in decades.

 

[katzgar]

Zero. Zip. Nada. Nan. Masks are completely ineffective against viruses.

you are a liar

 

[katzgar]

Nope. Masks do not stop viruses at all. Viruses do not stay in moisture, coughs, or sneezes.

in the age of search engines your need to be a moron is bizarre

 

[katzgar]

Trump did not create the virus nor does he command it.

your guy is spreading it, the trump virus

 

[midcan5]

A hard question regarding masks is the obvious - they help but some because of political and ideology refuse to believe science. It is a return to superstition rather than reason. Regarding California's numbers that is population and lifestyle. Excellent read below and check youtube at bottom.


'How Americans Came to Distrust Science'

http://bostonreview.net/science-nature/andrew-jewett-how-americans-came-distrust-science


1 California 39,512,223

2 Texas 28,995,881

3 Florida 21,477,737


'Researchers concluded that, if passengers wear surgical masks continuously, very little of the virus spreads, because of how the air is circulated and filtered on the planes.'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...4aa092-0e30-11eb-8a35-237ef1eb2ef7_story.html


'Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Killer Germs' by Michael T. Osterholm, Mark Olshaker

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/30841977-deadliest-enemy

"Mother Nature is the greatest bioterrorist of them all, with no financial limitations or ethical compunctions."


'Coronavirus is our future | Alanna Shaikh | TEDxSMU'

https://www.ted.com/talks/alanna_shaikh_coronavirus_is_our_future/transcript

 

[Hoosier Daddy]

Reagan didn't start any wars.

sure he did, clownboy. ever heard of Grenada? and he did get 231 soldiers killed in lebanon by imposing restrictive stand down orders on them and then turning tail and running after it happened.

 

[Hoosier Daddy]

Masks are completely ineffective against viruses. You might as well try to empty a pool with a tea strainer.

that is insane, boy. you cannot be that stupid.

 

[Into the Night]

you lie almost as much as trump, bitch.

Lie.

carter gave us double digit inflation? how?

Price controls, and encouraging the House to print money.

it was Ford, the president BEFORE carter, who started the phrase WIN- Whip Inflation Now...DUMBASS.

No, Presidents do not have authority of the budget. The House does.

what caused inflation was the huge massive economic costs of the Vietnam War coming to a close....

No. What caused inflation was the House printing money faster than wealth being created in the country.

wars generate the shit out of the economy,

Wars do not generate economy. Wars are a waste of wealth. They are destruction of wealth.

and at one time we had 500,000 soldiers in vietnam, and huge military spending increases, with a lot of economic stimulus, involved..

Wars are not economic stimulus. They are destruction of wealth.

THEN it shut down, fairly quick,

The economy didn't shut down.

and Ford and Carter inherited this huge economic engine shutting down quickly,

They didn't cause an economy.

causing inflation that took a while to settle down.

The House did that, not any president.

clinton was a saint compared to trump or reagan, stupid fuck. really clean administration....why do you lie?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! People are STILL joking about Clinton's perversions in the White House.

when obama took over the federal deficit FOR BUSH'S LAST YEAR WAS 1.4 trillion dollars!!

And Obama immediately got Congress to authorize EIGHT trillion dollars of deficit.

we were in the second worst economic recession in our history- the Bush Recession.

No. It was the Obama Depression. The downturn at the end of 2007 would have corrected itself naturally in less than a year except that Obama interfered with it, and cause it to continue for EIGHT years. Obama even called it the 'new normal'.

but despite that, deficit spending went DOWN during obama's years..

Nope. It went UP. Eight is larger than 1.4.

his last budget deficit was 2/3rds bush's last deficit,

Nope. 8 > 1.4

and trump started adding trillions to it!!

The HOUSE added trillions to it. The President cannot.

The current M2 is $19 trillion. The total government debt (both State and federal debts) is currently 144.51% of GDP.
These debts are authorized by the House for the federal government, and by State legislatures for the States.

In other words, the United States is broke. This didn't happen under Trump.

what a liar you are....

No, that would be YOU.

 

[Into the Night]

that is not even close to being true, asshole.

Yes it is.

the stock market increased by 2.5 times during obama,

Empty dollars printed by the government is not an increase.

just by 50% under lying bitch trump.

Of real dollars and wealth creation, not by printing money.

the unemployment rate went from 10% to 4.6%.

Lie.

the deficit was cut by 2/3rds.

Lie.

millions of more jobs created,

Lie.

while trump has actually DECREASED the number of jobs!!

Lie.

go fuck yourself, liar.

Go fuck yourself liar.

 

[Into the Night]

Trump increased jobs......they are still there......if the demmycunt governers ever let people go back to them........and as I pointed out Trump's numbers are better than Obama's four year numbers.......let's at least compare apples with apples.......Obama's deficit (for his eighth year) was cut by 2/3rd from his previous deficit, however Obama's overall contribution to the national debt doubled what all previous presidents had done combined, including George Bush.....(for those who can't do maths that would be the combined total of all of Obama's annual deficits........

While arguing about the deficits is one thing, remember that only the House can authorize them, not any president. Also remember that deficit is not debt. The debt and unfunded liabilities is the problem, not so much the deficit. The deficit is just ignoring the problem.
Government debt is currently 144.51% of GDP (source: Federal Reserve, OMB, Census)

 

[Into the Night]

you are cherry picking numbers, bitch. reagan ALMOST TRIPLED THE NATIONAL DEBT...but in real numbers he "only" added 2 trillion to the existing 1 trillion. when obama took office, bush's last year was 1.4 trillion!! you have to look at percentage increase to get a real number. that is like saying if a gallon of milk goes up by 50 cents today, from 3 bucks to 3.5 bucks, then that is worse than during the Depression, when it only went up 20 cents...BUT IT STARTED AT 30 CENTS AND WENT TO 50 CENTS, ALMOST A 100% INCREASE...

take a math class and then reply.

Reagan cannot triple the debt. Only the House can do that.

 

[Into the Night]

Here, learn something:

The virus is measured in nanometers and the holes in the mask are measured in microns. So if the virus is *airborne* that mask is pointless. Utterly pointless. You might as well take it off so you can at least breathe easier as you contract the China Murder Virus.

Masks can only stop droplets like you might get in face to face contact. Even here, micro droplets can easily follow the air through the sides of the mask if it’s not sealed properly; contaminated droplets are going to accumulate on the front of the mask—making the mask itself a potential vector of transmission.

If all of that scares you in to staying inside until you get vaccinated that’s your choice. I’d prefer you and other Karen’s keep your busybody noses out of my choices in the meantime.

Masks can and do harbor bacteria. They are not healthy to wear for long periods of time. The are utterly useless against viruses. These masks are designed to limit particulate exposure (dusty environments, such as sanding or certain activities while farming).

Governors are not kings. Edicts by them are not law. Such edicts are unconstitutional. States are not dictatorships or oligarchies. They are republics. The SOTC is an oligarchy and is effectively no longer a State of the Union. This is why people are fleeing it if they can.

Shutting down some businesses as 'non-essential' does not stop a virus and is unconstitutional. That violates the 14th amendment.

 

[Hoosier Daddy]

Lie.

Price controls, and encouraging the House to print money.

No, Presidents do not have authority of the budget. The House does.

No. What caused inflation was the House printing money faster than wealth being created in the country.

Wars do not generate economy. Wars are a waste of wealth. They are destruction of wealth.

Wars are not economic stimulus. They are destruction of wealth.

The economy didn't shut down.

They didn't cause an economy.

The House did that, not any president.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! People are STILL joking about Clinton's perversions in the White House.

And Obama immediately got Congress to authorize EIGHT trillion dollars of deficit.

No. It was the Obama Depression. The downturn at the end of 2007 would have corrected itself naturally in less than a year except that Obama interfered with it, and cause it to continue for EIGHT years. Obama even called it the 'new normal'.

Nope. It went UP. Eight is larger than 1.4.

Nope. 8 > 1.4

The HOUSE added trillions to it. The President cannot.

The current M2 is $19 trillion. The total government debt (both State and federal debts) is currently 144.51% of GDP.
These debts are authorized by the House for the federal government, and by State legislatures for the States.

In other words, the United States is broke. This didn't happen under Trump.



No, that would be YOU.

again, everything you just posted is completely wrong...you blame carter for making the house print money? what does that even mean, idiot? read this-

Jimmy Carter: The Last of the Fiscally Responsible Presidents ...historynewsnetwork.org › article
Feb 16, 2020 — Many see him as a failed president who mismanaged the economy, ... Under President Trump, the national debt has reached a historic high of over ... to raise interest rates for fear of touching off a recession, and Carter was ...

History of the United States public debt - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › History_of_the_United_State...
Debt as a share of GDP has consistently increased since then, except during the terms of presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. Public debt rose during the ...

as far as war generating the economy, you clown, it is obvious if the government spends hundreds of billions on weapons and new ships and airplanes and missiles and what not, it is going into the ECONOMY...and those companies hire the shit out of workers to keep up with demand, build new facilities and whatnot. are you really this dense? it is not good for our debt, but it is good for our SHORT TERM ECONOMY....duh....


The Economic Effects of the War in Vietnam - SAGE Journalsjournals.sagepub.com › doi › pdf
understand how the war has affected inflation in the American economy, it is

America's involvement in World War II had a significant impact on the economy and workforce of the United States. ... Our involvement in the war soon changed that rate. American factories were retooled to produce goods to support the war effort and almost overnight the unemployment rate dropped to around 10%.

Impact of World War II on the US Economy and ... - Iowa PBS

Heightened military spending during conflict does create employment, additional economic activity and contributes to the development of new technologies which can then filter through into other industries. These are some of the often discussed positive benefits of heightened government spending on military outlays.

ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES of WAR on the U.S. ECONOMY


The economic benefits of war outweigh the costs. Discuss ...marshallsociety.com › uncategorized › the-economic-b...
Not only does fighting in wars benefit certain industries, the aftermaths of conflict would also present opportunities for construction companies and equipment ...

 

[Into the Night]

bullshit. read something. all the experts are right, you are a clown.

Expert worship. Void argument fallacy.

 

[Hoosier Daddy]

Expert worship. Void argument fallacy.

who to believe? experts or somebody's "gut feelings?" what a tough call. how can you stand to be so stupid?

 

[Into the Night]

"PIMPs "open states" quite literally are open in that they have no people in them.

All States have people in them.

If masks don't help reduce particulate spread why have doctors, nurses, physicians assistants, welders,
dentists, hygienists, hazmat, canaries, superheroes and about half the Asian population of the world been wearing them all along?

Okay. Let's go down the list:
doctors, nurses, physicians assistants, dentists, hygienists; all wear masks because they are told to. They don't get a choice.
Welders and hazmat folks wear them because of dusty environments in their work.
Canaries don't wear masks. Superheros are fiction.
Asians, if they wear masks everywhere, do so out of sheer hypochondria.

It's common sense to wear a well fitting mask to reduce spread of covid 19.

Masks do not stop a virus. They are completely ineffective against a virus. These are dust masks.

And distancing.

6 feet does not stop a virus.

Common sense again.

Nope. Hypochondria.

Is one foot better than French kissing everyone? Yes 3 feet better than 1? Yes

No. Not for an airborne virus, such as covid19.

6 better than 3? Yes. Staying home better than 6? Yes.

Nope. Not for an airborne virus. It is everywhere and on every surface.

Stop being fucking idiots about EVERYTHING.

That would be YOU.

Just admit you are mean lazy fucks who like to say fuck you to everyone else

You again.

and we are good on the logic front. MK?

You deny logic. Inversion fallacies. Argument of the stone fallacies. Insult fallacies. bigotry. Denial of engineering. Math errors: ratio expressed as an absolute scalar. Failure to calculate margin of error. Failure to declare variance. Failure to normalize by paired randR. Failure to select by randN. Failure to use unbaised raw data.

Denial of statistical mathematics. Denial of logic. Denial of history. Denial of engineering. Denial of virology.