If the Senate allows a fair trial...

[Ross Dolan]

We'll see if the Senate concurs. Well, assuming Princess sends. Consensus suggests not.

I agree...we will see if the Senate concurs. Of that, I am sure.

I agree...that will happen if Pelosi sends the articles to the Senate. I am confident she will.

I agree...consensus suggests the Senate will acquit. I expect that it will.

 

[Ross Dolan]

No, Trump was deprived of the right to have the courts adjudicate the Executive vs legislative issue with subpoenas lol.

That the obstruction article is an absolute loser is one of the reasons Pelosi chickened out. You also speak of ‘extortion’ as though it were established fact—when it is absolutely not a fact that Trump extorted Zelensky.

Zelensky is the alleged victim and he denies it.

And this exercise in absurdity was foisted upon the country by a party who insisted ‘they must move fast’ became the president is a clear and present danger to the next election and democracy. And what do they do? They slam the brakes on the very process they just got done insisting needed to be done quickly.

Divorce yourself from this madness, Frank.

As Trump said, Darth...he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose support. So...extorting the president of Ukraine to obtain help in his (Trump's) re-election campaign is a no-brainer. He knows his stooges will pretend it didn't happen...or it is not obvious it happened.

Continue if you must, but know this: If he is proved to be successful in these kinds of enterprises...you may find a need to forgive or rationalize much more difficult and dangerous stuff in the near future.

As respectfully as I can put this (not an easy job)...you are being useful idiots.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Nope. The articles of impeachment never arrived at the Senate.

You are incorrect...but you also are a Trump supporter, so that figures.

He has been impeached...and that will not change.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Irrelevant. He has no been impeached yet.

Irrelevant.

Never said any such thing. Irrelevant.

Trump has been impeached.

Try not to let it trigger you so.

If ever a president deserved the dishonor...Trump deserves it.

 

[Ross Dolan]

No extortion. Nothing was withheld. Making demands of a foreign government before they receive something from the United States isn't in and of itself a crime.

As Trump himself said...you are one of those people who would say, "No problem" if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue.

Trump knew his stooges well. I'll grant him that.

 

[saltydancin]

trump is still impeached no matter how you try to spin it. Now we are waiting for the 2nd step, which is the Senate finalizing trial procedures. Why are they holding up this step?

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Democrats won't name impeachment managers or transmit the articles of impeachment to the Senate until the upper chamber finalizes the procedures for the trial.
"When we see the process that's set forth in the Senate, then we'll know the number of managers we'll have to move forward, and who we would choose," the California Democrat said."

So this culmination of the not so master race "serve the Pope & die" Islamophobia pedophilia evolved from that Knights of Columbus one nation under God "serve the Pope or die" Christiananality pedophila master plan lynching enforcement interpretation of "man is God" when it comes to diatribe tautology against Washington, D.C. born when the suicidal more perfect union of "death to the infidels" from 9/11 super egos of homicidal sociopsychopathilogical human farming.

 

[Darth Omar]

As Trump said, Darth...he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose support. So...extorting the president of Ukraine to obtain help in his (Trump's) re-election campaign is a no-brainer. He knows his stooges will pretend it didn't happen...or it is not obvious it happened.

Continue if you must, but know this: If he is proved to be successful in these kinds of enterprises...you may find a need to forgive or rationalize much more difficult and dangerous stuff in the near future.

As respectfully as I can put this (not an easy job)...you are being useful idiots.

Well again, you’re stating something as fact that isn’t.

It simply isn’t a fact that Trump extorted Zelensky. It just isn’t, Frank. If Trump shot someone in public there would be clear evidence of it. AND there would be an actual victim. Zelensky denies being a victim. Which raises the question if there is any evidence that could dissuade you. I don’t think there is. The same can be said for the Democrats. Democrats decided Trump was guilty before Nancy opened the ‘impeachment inquiry’.

Democrats were going to at least try and impeach Trump the moment she did that—and we both know it.

What it should have been was the ‘House Ukraine Investigation’ but Nancy needed to throw some red meat to the Trump impeachment fanatics. Apparently, they didn’t learn their lesson on being—how shall we say it—useful idiots, for the Trump Russian investigation.

Which, just happens to be under criminal investigation as we speak.

But the House Ukraine Investigation doesn’t have the word ‘impeachment’ in it lol. More importantly, it very likely wouldn’t have attracted sufficient attention and/or would have sat there spinning its wheels and the 2020 election is coming up.

So House Democrats did some focus groups and cobbled together some articles and ‘impeached’ Trump with them. But currently Nancy refuses to fulfill the *constitutional requirement* of sending the articles to the Senate. Didn’t they just get done lecturing the country about the sanctity of the constitution, Frank? ‘Sacred duty’ blah-blah-blah.

Is it too late to impeach Pelosi? Can we at least get a censure against Schiff for repeatedly lying to Congress about having ‘slam dunk evidence of collusion’. Frank, if you ever testify before Congress please don’t lie because you will be charged with a crime.

You are Frank and not Adam Schiff. No one is above the law and all that.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Well again, you’re stating something as fact that isn’t.

It simply isn’t a fact that Trump extorted Zelensky. It just isn’t, Frank. If Trump shot someone in public there would be clear evidence of it. AND there would be an actual victim. Zelensky denies being a victim. Which raises the question if there is any evidence that could dissuade you. I don’t think there is. The same can be said for the Democrats. Democrats decided Trump was guilty before Nancy opened the ‘impeachment inquiry’.

Democrats were going to at least try and impeach Trump the moment she did that—and we both know it.

What it should have been was the ‘House Ukraine Investigation’ but Nancy needed to throw some red meat to the Trump impeachment fanatics. Apparently, they didn’t learn their lesson on being—how shall we say it—useful idiots, for the Trump Russian investigation.

Which, just happens to be under criminal investigation as we speak.

But the House Ukraine Investigation doesn’t have the word ‘impeachment’ in it lol. More importantly, it very likely wouldn’t have attracted sufficient attention and/or would have sat there spinning its wheels and the 2020 election is coming up.

So House Democrats did some focus groups and cobbled together some articles and ‘impeached’ Trump with them. But currently Nancy refuses to fulfill the *constitutional requirement* of sending the articles to the Senate. Didn’t they just get done lecturing the country about the sanctity of the constitution, Frank? ‘Sacred duty’ blah-blah-blah.

Is it too late to impeach Pelosi? Can we at least get a censure against Schiff for repeatedly lying to Congress about having ‘slam dunk evidence of collusion’. Frank, if you ever testify before Congress please don’t lie because you will be charged with a crime.

You are Frank and not Adam Schiff. No one is above the law and all that.

So...the extortion victim denied being a victim while the gun was still to his head.

Are you actually listening to what you are saying, Darth.

You are rationalizing just like Trump knew people like you would.

Do it...that is your right.

At least for now it is your right.

It is an example of myopia...a seed, so to speak, that may well bear such bitter fruit that your rights in that regard will disappear.

Trump is a disaster for this country. You are aiding and abetting a disaster for this nation.

 

[TOP]

All the wasted effort into this incomplete "impeachment"..imagine if they would have invested three plus years of blood, sweat, and tears into finding a candidate who would be able to defeat the President in the upcoming election. Time they'll never get back...Opportunity lost....
No one to blame but themselves/yourselves when he gets reelected...

 

[Earl]

There was no extortion victim, there is no gun to his head now and he still denies being a victim.

The dumb, radical, Democrat Socialists have opened up a can of worms. When the Republicans have the House...

“People like you,” I doubt that D.O. is a near 90 year old fart who appears to have lost all of his marbles.

Nothing changes, if Nervous Nancy completes the now incomplete impeachment disaster, the president will be exonerated and remain in office for five (5) more years.

 

[Darth Omar]

So...the extortion victim denied being a victim while the gun was still to his head.

Are you actually listening to what you are saying, Darth.

You are rationalizing just like Trump knew people like you would.

Do it...that is your right.

At least for now it is your right.

It is an example of myopia...a seed, so to speak, that may well bear such bitter fruit that your rights in that regard will disappear.

Trump is a disaster for this country. You are aiding and abetting a disaster for this nation.

Has it even occurred to you that Zelensky is telling the truth lol?

I would think he wouldn’t think too highly of Democrats. And what is Justice Roberts supposed to do in a Senate trial when democrats object to republicans entering Zelensky’s testimony as exculpatory evidence?

Discount it? On what basis? Because Democrats *speculate* that Zelensky is like a battered wife that’s afraid to speak up lol?

I think we both know what Roberts would do, Frank. Do yourself a favor and back away from this. You can still think Trump is Hitler without getting sucked into this absurdity.

 

[Earl]

Let’s summarize.

(1) The fanatics that Pelosi has allowed to take over the Democrat Party have failed to remove a sitting president that the American people elected.

(2) They have succeeded in ensuring the re-election of President Trump.

(3)They have failed to perform their duty to help the American people and the American workers.

One out of three isn’t too bad.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Has it even occurred to you that Zelensky is telling the truth lol?

It has. Like it has occurred to me that OJ Simpson was telling the truth.

It is so obvious that Zelensky was being extorted, one has to wonder what mental contortions people go through to deny it.

I would think he wouldn’t think too highly of Democrats. And what is Justice Roberts supposed to do in a Senate trial when democrats object to republicans entering Zelensky’s testimony as exculpatory evidence?

Discount it? On what basis? Because Democrats *speculate* that Zelensky is like a battered wife that’s afraid to speak up lol?

I think he will allow it...and I think the Republican spineless senators will buy into it for the sake of acquitting Trump. Of course, for you, they will acquit him because they think he is a person of sterling character and would never engage in something so sorted.

Right?

I think we both know what Roberts would do, Frank. Do yourself a favor and back away from this. You can still think Trump is Hitler without getting sucked into this absurdity.

I think we agree with what Roberts will do, Darth. And it changes nothing.

Continue to abet this abomination. Obviously you no longer have a choice.

In any case, I now have a better understanding of how people like Hitler take control of the minds and hearts of people.

Too bad that.

 

[Earl]

Ukraine president says there was no 'blackmail' in Trump ...
https://www.latimes.com › story › ukraine-zelensky-trump-impeachment
Oct 10, 2019 - “There was no pressure or blackmail from the U.S.,” Volodymyr Zelensky said during a 14-hour series of meetings with Ukrainian and ...

If the “blackmail-ee” (sic)) says there was no pressure or blackmail...

 

[Earl]

“would never engage in something so sorted..”

Perhaps, “sordid.”

Senility?

 

[Darth Omar]

It has. Like it has occurred to me that OJ Simpson was telling the truth.

It is so obvious that Zelensky was being extorted, one has to wonder what mental contortions people go through to deny it.



I think he will allow it...and I think the Republican spineless senators will buy into it for the sake of acquitting Trump. Of course, for you, they will acquit him because they think he is a person of sterling character and would never engage in something so sorted.

Right?



I think we agree with what Roberts will do, Darth. And it changes nothing.

Continue to abet this abomination. Obviously you no longer have a choice.

In any case, I now have a better understanding of how people like Hitler take control of the minds and hearts of people.

Too bad that.

Are you conceding democrats have no evidence that would stand up in a trial, Frank?

Sounds like it. Because OJ is a weak argument. Through this, Democrats have shown little respect for much of the basis for our system of justice: rule of law; due process and innocent until *proven* guilty just to name a few.

They are doing—and have done, more damage to our institutions than Trump will ever accomplish. Just because he had the audacity to win an election.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Are you conceding democrats have no evidence that would stand up in a trial, Frank?

Not in any way. There are 800 former prosecutors who say that there is more evidence to convict Trump than has been offered in other trials to convict other criminals.

Sounds like it. Because OJ is a weak argument. Through this, Democrats have shown little respect for much of the basis for our system of justice: rule of law; due process and innocent until *proven* guilty just to name a few.

If that is what you think.

They are doing—and have done, more damage to our institutions than Trump will ever accomplish. Just because he had the audacity to win an election.

You want so much to think that is the reason he was impeached.

Okay...think it.

But that was not the reason.

 

[Bigdog]

Has it even occurred to you that Zelensky is telling the truth lol?

I would think he wouldn’t think too highly of Democrats. And what is Justice Roberts supposed to do in a Senate trial when democrats object to republicans entering Zelensky’s testimony as exculpatory evidence?

Discount it? On what basis? Because Democrats *speculate* that Zelensky is like a battered wife that’s afraid to speak up lol?

I think we both know what Roberts would do, Frank. Do yourself a favor and back away from this. You can still think Trump is Hitler without getting sucked into this absurdity.

"There's a lot of. talk about Biden's son,. that Biden stopped the
prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so
whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.
Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if
you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me."

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

"if you can look into it "

Certainly NOT a demand.

Definitely NOT extortion.

 

[Earl]

The Democrats were talking impeachment before President Trump took office.

Before the failed “Russian collusion” and “the Ukraine” scam.

 

[Ross Dolan]

"There's a lot of. talk about Biden's son,. that Biden stopped the
prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so
whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.
Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if
you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me."

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

"if you can look into it "

Certainly NOT a demand.

Definitely NOT extortion.

Definitely part of a long drawn-out extortion attempt...that is easy for anyone to see, except those who Trump suggested would not be bothered if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue.