Where is Trump's Beautiful Healthcare Plan? Here's Warren's...

Clean up on aisle four. You know when you go around calling others clueless and "fucking morons" you might want to make sure your own backyard is buttoned up. Glass houses and all.

Yes, you aren't a "leftist". Let me guess, you are a "centrist" or a "moderate"

Tell me kind sir, list your positions on the various topics of the day

Guns
Abortion
Healthcare
Taxation
Man made global warming
America's place in foreign affairs

You think only those six issues determine ones political affiliation? How about voting history? I've voted Republican probably 75% of the time in my 40 years of voting. And I was a registered as a republican for 30 of those 40 years. I'm now registered as an independent. I've never been registered as a Democrat.

But go ahead and wallow in your delusions as to my political affiliation. You're pretty good at believing only that which makes you feel good.
And yes, is still true that fucking morons vote for fucking morons.
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You think only those six issues determine ones political affiliation? How about voting history? I've voted Republican probably 75% of the time in my 40 years of voting. And I was a registered as a republican for 30 of those 40 years. I'm now registered as an independent. I've never been registered as a Democrat.

But go ahead and wallow in your delusions as to my political affiliation. You're pretty good at believing only that which makes you feel good.
And yes, is still true that fucking morons vote for fucking morons.
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I didn’t say they are the only ones. They are the biggies and knowing where one stands on those seminal issues can give tremendous insight into their ideology.

You will notice that I didn’t ask if you are a democrat or republican? Those labels are irrelevant to me. Romney is a Republican but he is a big government leftist

It’s ok if you are afraid to answer. Many leftists are. They like to pretend they are “moderates”. They think it makes them sound smart. I have a neighbor who claims to be a “moderate” yet supports EVERY left wing position there is.
 
Warren delivers what? A $52 trillion boondoggle? Get real. There's no way to pay for that without wrecking this country. Are you really that stupid Owl?

What's with the ad hominem attacks, cb? Can't you make a cogent argument against without all the hyperbole and nastiness? Can you explain why taxing the uber wealthy at a higher rate is going to "wreck this country"? And no, you are not allowed to use the failed and bogus "job creators" argument either.

American corporations currently pay billions of dollars annually for health insurance costs for their employees. Warren's plan would put that money towards the Medicare-for-all plan. BTW, multiple studies over the past 50+ yrs. have shown that Medicare is one of the most successful programs of all times... in terms of product delivered for the buck.

Here's a good article on Warren's plan: https://www.npr.org/2019/11/01/7753...nds-20-5-trillion-to-pay-for-medicare-for-all

Personally, I would rather not shut down the private insurance companies. Instead, I prefer to see a national plan that includes them as part of the team, offering supplemental insurance plans to cover the costs that the national plan does not pick up -- optional of course. Vying for the health insurance premiums of 300,000,000 people would make them far more competitive. I don't know if you are old enough yet to receive Medicare. I am. You wouldn't believe all the solicitations I've been getting in the snail mail and in email from various supplemental plan providers begging me to switch to them. You also wouldn't believe what their rates are -- very reasonable. My coverage is far better than what my husband has through the ACA, and cheaper too.

I think shuttering the private insurance companies would give the economy a gut punch and not be feasible for that reason.
 
I didn’t say they are the only ones. They are the biggies and knowing where one stands on those seminal issues can give tremendous insight into their ideology.

You will notice that I didn’t ask if you are a democrat or republican? Those labels are irrelevant to me. Romney is a Republican but he is a big government leftist

It’s ok if you are afraid to answer. Many leftists are. They like to pretend they are “moderates”. They think it makes them sound smart. I have a neighbor who claims to be a “moderate” yet supports EVERY left wing position there is.

I'm not a moderate. I'm a conservative whether you want to believe it or not. I'm sure you'd love to label all Trump haters as'liberal'. It makes things so much easier for you. I bet you've always voted for every candidate with an (R) after their name. Again, makes things so much easier. No thinking involved. Republican have you right where they want you. They love brainless minions like you because they no longer have to win your vote.
Yes, I'm a conservative. I believe in small government. Lower taxes, lower govt spending. I don't believe in govt programs like welfare, Social Security, Medicare. I believe in JFK's mantra of Ask not what your country can do for you... People should take care of themselves, not depend on the government. Our govt is already too intrusive into Americans lives. I'm a big Rand Paul fan.

And you, my friend, are not a conservative. You're a radicalized extremist. Sorry, but thems the facts, Jack.
 
I'm not a moderate. I'm a conservative whether you want to believe it or not. I'm sure you'd love to label all Trump haters as'liberal'. It makes things so much easier for you. I bet you've always voted for every candidate with an (R) after their name. Again, makes things so much easier. No thinking involved. Republican have you right where they want you. They love brainless minions like you because they no longer have to win your vote.
Yes, I'm a conservative. I believe in small government. Lower taxes, lower govt spending. I don't believe in govt programs like welfare, Social Security, Medicare. I believe in JFK's mantra of Ask not what your country can do for you... People should take care of themselves, not depend on the government. Our govt is already too intrusive into Americans lives. I'm a big Rand Paul fan.

And you, my friend, are not a conservative. You're a radicalized extremist. Sorry, but thems the facts, Jack.

Didn't vote for Romney and I didn't vote for McShamnesty.

You left out a few issues, but I can understand that. Lots of democrats are for small government.

You are under this notion that I care if you hate Donald Trump or not. I don't.

I just find it interesting that he has lowered taxes, reduced government regulation yet you are still a hater. To each his own man.

It's ok if you admit to being a leftist. I won't tell anyone
 
Didn't vote for Romney and I didn't vote for McShamnesty.

You left out a few issues, but I can understand that. Lots of democrats are for small government.

You are under this notion that I care if you hate Donald Trump or not. I don't.

I just find it interesting that he has lowered taxes, reduced government regulation yet you are still a hater. To each his own man.

It's ok if you admit to being a leftist. I won't tell anyone

You really want to believe I'm a leftist. Why is that. Does it make your job easier.
Yes, Trump has lowered taxes but added to the debt by trillions. So since you support a big spender, I guess I could call you a leftist.
How does it feel, leftist?
And if you didn't vote for McCain or Romney, I guess you voted for Obama. Interesting.
 
I don't argue false choices. What I would rather happen is we move toward a true free market in healthcare where except for major expensive medical conditions (cancer, broken arm etc) you pay cash out of pocket. Prescriptions? You pay cash. Routine doctors appointments? You pay cash. Immunizations? You pay cash. Lab tests? You pay cash

Something that costs $40,000? You have major medical

Costs would come down. There would be more transparency in the system and quality would improve.

What I would rather happen, will never happen. Insurance companies are in the pockets of the government. They like their state sanctioned monopolies. There is too much power in controlling your healthcare for politicians to give up. IF they control your healthcare, they essentially control YOU

But as long as they can convince you that you are getting something for nothing and the "rich" are going to pay for it, that is all that limited thinkers who support this nonsense need
IOW, you want to destroy the health care system and bankrupt most Americans. Just the cost of prescriptions would be enough to break the bank for most Americans.

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And they would have to give up their own insurance. Not happening....
Again, the reality is that single payer works In the rest of the industrialized world, providing better outcomes for less cost. As usual, the right can't deal with reality.

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Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

The US is NOT every other advanced nation. You can't extrapolate what every other advanced nation does to the US. Does every other advanced nation have a $21 Trillion debt? Does every other advanced nation have over 300 million citizens? Does every other advanced nation have the biggest, most inefficient bureaucracy as a government?

I rest my case.

Does every other advanced nation have the most incompetent leader ever?

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If you're willing to risk four more years of Trump just to have Medicare for all, then you're the stupid one.

The key to this election is winning over the moderates/centrists (and there are quite a lot of them) who are not beholden to either party (like you are to the Dems).
Warren may have the far left locked up with her Healthcare plan but she most certainly doesn't have the key to lock up the moderates - and that will be her (and America's ) downfall.

If Trump wins another four years, I'll have you (and others like you) to thank.

The only reason that Medicare for all won't win over the moderates is because of the disinformation coming from the insurance industry and dupes like you.

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Clean up on aisle four. You know when you go around calling others clueless and "fucking morons" you might want to make sure your own backyard is buttoned up. Glass houses and all.

Yes, you aren't a "leftist". Let me guess, you are a "centrist" or a "moderate"

Tell me kind sir, list your positions on the various topics of the day

Guns
Abortion
Healthcare
Taxation
Man made global warming
America's place in foreign affairs

Yes, you are clueless and a "fucking moron"
Guns - I'm strict 2nd Amendment. Most of our current gun control laws are unconstitutional infringements and have, in general, only made things worse.
Abortion - none of the government's business. The Bible, if anything, supports abortion.
Healthcare - single payer countries have better outcomes at lower cost than what we get. It only makes sense to go that route.
Taxation - We need to increase taxes enough to wipe out the deficit and start paying down the debt. That would still leave the rich with more than everyone else.
Man made global warming - climate change is real, but quite probably a natural event. Even so, it makes sense to move towards renewable energy sources and a hydrogen economy.
America's place in foreign affairs - We are #1. But we need to be somewhat more careful.

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Hello rjhenn,



Thanks.

-As they shed the crocodile tears of those who have the most money, both prior to and following an increase in taxing of the rich.

I mean, they don't even have their wealth reduced so much as to make anyone else richer than them, much less 'taxed into poverty.' They still hold their same position on the scale of wealth from the poorest to the richest. They just can't stand the idea of government doing more for the populace to offset the problem of how that scale of wealth has actually been changing. That's because it heavily favors those richest individuals more and more as time goes by.

The distribution of wealth from poorest to richest has been growing thinner and thinner at the low end, with a lot of people having very little as, for the very few at the high end the amount of wealth is staggering, shooting off the page. As time goes by, the low and middle get less and less as the very few at the top end get even more, so much that any graph which showed it proportionally would hardly show anything at all for the entire bottom half of the population.


If we wanted to just freeze the highly skewed current distribution of wealth where it is right now, we would have to have constantly increasing taxes on the richest just to hold us at our current level of already extreme wealth inequality. It is difficult to imagine how, as time progresses and those proportions become increasingly skewed, eventually to the point where only a very few individuals have most of the wealth, and everyone else has practically nothing comparatively, that such resentment would not grow that it would cause a social upheaval. That has happened already, time and again across history.

I think it is the responsibility of the people of our age to recognize that simmering problem and begin to address it now while we can make easy and slight changes which diminish no rich lifestyles, but make a great improvement in those of the lower half of the wealth spectrum. This could actually generate so much new prosperity, education, ingenuity and productivity that the economy thrives in a healthy way which generates enough taxes to end the spiraling increase of federal debt. That is an important missing factor Trump Republicans are not addressing. Ignoring that problem will not make it go away. It is a ticking time bomb.

We need a new education system in the USA. What we have is not working. We are so stupid to think if we don't spend money on education that we would not end up spending more on prison. When we resign ourselves to fix these social problems with prison, we take a potentially productive individual out of productive society and they become a burden to society. That really hurts both our economy and our debt figures. Money spent on education is worth more than money spent on prison.

If society does not provide education and opportunity for realizable success, then people get into trouble. We need to collect enough revenue to have our government provide an effective education to prepare young people to enter productive society in the profession of their choice and aptitude. The only way we can ensure that society is doing this is through our common organization called government. Capitalism has no interest in making sure young people are educated. It has to be government. All capitalism wants to do with them is extract wealth. Capitalism is quite happy to have lots of dumb people out there in society because marketing is more effective on dumb people. Smart people decide for themselves what to buy, where to spend their money. Dumb people see something, they got to have it, and they spend their last dollar to get it. Then they can't make ends meet and go bankrupt or homeless. They actually become a burden on the economy, a mistake that capitalism is too dumb to self-correct without government guiding it.
Agreed. The ultimate result of a purely capitalist economy is a few extremely rich individuals and families, with the rest of the populace living in abject poverty. We see multiple examples, the shitholes known as banana republics. Thus the dire need for government regulation and a progressive tax system.

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What's with the ad hominem attacks, cb? Can't you make a cogent argument against without all the hyperbole and nastiness? Can you explain why taxing the uber wealthy at a higher rate is going to "wreck this country"? And no, you are not allowed to use the failed and bogus "job creators" argument either.

American corporations currently pay billions of dollars annually for health insurance costs for their employees. Warren's plan would put that money towards the Medicare-for-all plan. BTW, multiple studies over the past 50+ yrs. have shown that Medicare is one of the most successful programs of all times... in terms of product delivered for the buck.

Here's a good article on Warren's plan: https://www.npr.org/2019/11/01/7753...nds-20-5-trillion-to-pay-for-medicare-for-all

Personally, I would rather not shut down the private insurance companies. Instead, I prefer to see a national plan that includes them as part of the team, offering supplemental insurance plans to cover the costs that the national plan does not pick up -- optional of course. Vying for the health insurance premiums of 300,000,000 people would make them far more competitive. I don't know if you are old enough yet to receive Medicare. I am. You wouldn't believe all the solicitations I've been getting in the snail mail and in email from various supplemental plan providers begging me to switch to them. You also wouldn't believe what their rates are -- very reasonable. My coverage is far better than what my husband has through the ACA, and cheaper too.

I think shuttering the private insurance companies would give the economy a gut punch and not be feasible for that reason.
A number of insurance companies contract with the government for Medicare processing. I've worked for some.

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Yes, you are clueless and a "fucking moron"
Guns - I'm strict 2nd Amendment. Most of our current gun control laws are unconstitutional infringements and have, in general, only made things worse.
Abortion - none of the government's business. The Bible, if anything, supports abortion.
Healthcare - single payer countries have better outcomes at lower cost than what we get. It only makes sense to go that route.
Taxation - We need to increase taxes enough to wipe out the deficit and start paying down the debt. That would still leave the rich with more than everyone else.
Man made global warming - climate change is real, but quite probably a natural event. Even so, it makes sense to move towards renewable energy sources and a hydrogen economy.
America's place in foreign affairs - We are #1. But we need to be somewhat more careful.

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That is precious that you felt the need to answer, but I wasn’t asking you. You were responding to questions to DonaldTumpovich.

Hmmmm has a sock been outed? Interesting turn of events. Unless of course you routinely answer direct questions or other people then by all means, carry on ;)
 
That is precious that you felt the need to answer, but I wasn’t asking you. You were responding to questions to DonaldTumpovich.

Hmmmm has a sock been outed? Interesting turn of events. Unless of course you routinely answer direct questions or other people then by all means, carry on ;)
Just confirming what a "fucking moron" you are. My positions are all based on reason, not the idiotic dogma that controls your every thought.

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