Where is Trump's Beautiful Healthcare Plan? Here's Warren's...
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Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
Do you invest in the stock market? If so, then you increased your wealth 40% as well. So get off your fat ass and get back to work.
And your vilification of Bill Gates falls on deaf ears. Do you know how much his foundation has given to charity over the last 20 years? That's what Bill Gates is doing. He's working hard giving his money away to good causes. If he can make more money investing, I'm all for it. More for him to give to charity.
You want what the wealthy have? Just work hard, educate yourself and obey the law and you can be as successful and wealthy as those you vilify. So go do it and stop posting these absurd, ludicrous posts.
Wait a second...so you're now making the argument that "investing in the stock market" is "hard work"?
What is "hard work" about it?
"Working hard giving money away"?
First of all, how is that "hard work"?
Secondly, he's not really giving a lot away relative to his wealth, and he still has over $107B left over.
So you're saying that there isn't $107B worth of charity out there?
You've moved the bar a lot on what "hard work" is...now you're saying sitting on your ass as a financial adviser (or computer) does your trades for you, is "hard work".
You sure don't seem to know what "hard work" means, since you change its definition on the fly.
So now you're so desperate and your argument is so weak that you're reduced to telling me what I want.
As it stands, you haven't made a single economic argument against the policy.
All your arguments are emotional or the Prosperity Gospel.
It takes real delusion to think that the rules of success apply equally in this country, knowing that we are the least economically mobile of all the advanced nations.
You know what I want? I want you to be able to make an argument against the policy that doesn't rely on emotions.
Can you even do that? No. If you could, it would have been the first thing you posted. You would have posted "raising taxes is bad economically and here's why..."
But you don't do that.
Instead, you very cowardly avoid that argument by foisting emotions on me. You do that because you can't make an economic argument, only an emotional one. You're comfortable making emotional arguments because you're so emotional. And it's easier to chalk up the policy to jealousy than actually do the work of understanding its economics.
I think you're just too lazy to do that.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
Once again, you're being a Strawman. Manipulating my comments to make a fictitious argument that doesn't apply. Again, you're vilifying someone who has given BILLIONS to charity because you think he hasn't given enough. You think he doesn't work because his investments make money?
And you didn't answer my question. Are you invested in the stock market? If so, you didn't work to realize those 40% gains. Thus, you don't deserve it. Give it to me. I need to buy a new hybrid SUV.
Debaters invoke a strawman when they put forth an argument—usually something extreme or easy to argue against—that they know their opponent doesn't support. You put forth a straw man because you know it will be easy for you to knock down or discredit. It's a way of misrepresenting your opponent's position.
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30 trillion dollar health care plan 
me thinks Pocahontas been hitting heap big fire water
me thinks Pocahontas been hitting heap big fire water
You said the wealthy were rich because of "hard work".
That has been your argument this whole time.
When asked to explain what is "hard work" about being retired and sitting back on your fat ass and collecting returns, you accuse me of misrepresenting you, when I've been quoting you in full the entire time. I'm not changing a single thing in any of the posts I'm quoting.
You're the one who made a poor argument and is now mad that you have to shift the goalposts and walk it back.
You said that the wealthy are rich because of "hard work", and now you're stretching the definition of "hard work" to include sitting on your ass as a broker or computer makes trades and investments for you.
30 trillion dollar health care plan
me thinks Pocahontas been hitting heap big fire water
We're already spending $42T on health care.
So Warren's plan would save us $12T.
The result of decades of right-wing brainwashing.
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Of course, covetousness is the very basis of capitalism.You idiot. That doesn't prove that most rich people don't work hard at all. You see what you're doing? You so desperately want to believe that most rich people don't work hard at all, that you're extrapolating a fact that doesn't apply to your conclusion. Why is it so important for you to believe that most rich people don't work hard at all. That's just stupid and wreaks with your irrational vilification of the wealthy. I don't care if most inherited their wealth. It's their family's wealth. Not yours. They earned it. They're allowed to keep it. You really have to quell your hatred for those more successful than you are. Harboring all that hate and resentment isn't healthy.
I'm not really religious but maybe you are and this will hit home:
Why is "You shall not covet" in the Ten Commandments?
Answer: The key to understanding this commandment is in the definition of the word “covet.” Two different Hebrew words are used in the passages condemning coveting (Exodus 20:17; Deuteronomy 5:21), and both mean “to lust after or to long for with great desire.” Since the commandments are given as “you shall not’s,” the desire in this case is for something that is not the property of the desirer and not rightfully his to long after. In this commandment, the Israelites are told not to lust after their neighbor’s possessions—his house, land, ox or donkey, or the people in his life—his wife or servants, both male and female. The Israelites were not to desire, long for, or set their hearts on anything that belonged to anyone else.
Whereas several of the commandments prohibit certain actions, such as murder and theft, this is one of the commandments that address the inner person, his heart and mind. As James 1:15 tells us, the inner person is where sin originates, and in this case, covetousness is the forerunner of all manner of sin, among them theft, burglary, and embezzlement. At its root, coveting is the result of envy, a sin which, once it takes root in the heart, leads to worse sins. Jesus reiterated this very thought in the Sermon on the Mount when He said that lust in the heart is every bit as sinful as committing adultery (Matthew 5:28). Envy goes beyond casting a longing glance at the neighbor’s new car. Once dwelled upon, envy of the neighbor’s possessions can turn to feelings of resentment and hatred for the neighbor himself. That can turn into resentment against God and questioning Him: “Why can’t I have what he has, Lord? Don’t you love me enough to give me what I want?”
God’s reasons for condemning covetousness are good ones. At its very core, envy is love of self. Envious, selfish citizens are unhappy and discontented citizens. A society built of such people is a weak one because envious malcontents, as stated before, will be more likely to commit crimes against one another, further weakening the societal structure. Furthermore, the New Testament identifies covetousness as a form of idolatry, a sin which God detests (Colossians 3:5). In the end, envy and covetousness are Satan’s tools to distract us from pursuing the only thing that will ever make us happy and content—God Himself. God’s Word tells us that “godliness with contentment is great gain” and that we should be content with the basic necessities of life (1 Timothy 6:6-8), because true happiness is not attained by things, but by a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ. By this alone do we gain that which is worthy, true, solid, satisfying, and durable—the unsearchable riches of God’s grace.
I rest my case.
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He even looks like he's planning on cheating you out of every last dollar, and then some.
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