Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
Thanks for proving my point. Surrender accepted.
Where is Trump's Beautiful Healthcare Plan? Here's Warren's...
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Thanks for proving my point. Surrender accepted.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
So you hate Billionaires AND Boomers. Do you hate everyone who's doing better than you?
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
Well, I used to be a registered Republican but I changed my political affiliation to independent after Bush Jr ruined the economy with his American Dream Downpayment Act that caused the 2008 mortgage meltdown.
But if you've been paying attention, you'd see I'm no fan of the Orange Turd in the White House.
cawacko
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Interesting the concept that not reflexively hating billionaires could be considered common ground among people and makes one a bad person.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
Oh, haven't you heard? It's billionaires AND boomers. I am to be hated because I worked hard, saved my money, spent within my means, invested wisely and retired with a seven figure nest egg.
OK boomer
You don't know shit about me or my station in life because I can make arguments in support of my policies and beliefs without invoking personal circumstances that ultimately mean nothing to the validity of my arguments.
You are unable to do that; choosing instead to make my position solely about the emotion of jealousy because it's easier for you to accept that, than it is for you to admit your conventional wisdom is wrong.
We've been over this...in fact, I addressed this point specifically in another thread.
The ADDA didn't collapse the economy, nor did it dramatically weaken underwriting standards for subprime loans.
The reason the economy collapsed was because of dramatically weakened underwriting standards for subprimes issued between 2004-2007.
The ADDA is good policy; it helps first time homeowners with $10K to put toward the downpayment. That's all it did; and it was subject to the same FHA rules that protected those homeowners from foreclosure since it was the non-FHA and subprime loans that were the cause of the spike in lending, and the subsequent collapse of the markets.
Don't @ me with Bush Mortgage Bubble stuff...I'm buttoned up on that subject.
It's much easier for you to convince people of this than it is to admit that your thinking has been wrong this entire time, because you can lean on the emotions and avoid the economics.
You still have yet to make an economic case against raising taxes on the rich.
The Prosperity Gospel is bullshit, and most rich people don't work hard at all.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
Prove it!
Your comment above just invalidates every point you've tried to make. You have no idea how hard rich people work. How could you? You're just throwing it out there because it's what you WANT TO BELIEVE. You're like the radicalized right wing extremists on this forum who want to believe Trump is the savior of America and all liberals are traitors. You're doing the same thing they do. You believe what helps your argument, true or not.
Think about what you're saying.
If you're going to make such an outrageous, unhinged statement like that, you better have some proof to back it up. So, let's see it. Until I see something that proves most rich people don't work hard at all, then I call bullshit.
I did prove it, when I provided you with that WaPo link that says wealth is generational, and most wealth has gone to the richest 5% of families.
You didn't even open or read that link.
So you're not intending to have a good faith debate here, and it's obvious why.
Bill Gates increased his wealth faster once he stopped working.
It took him 59 years to get $76B, but only 5 years to add another $30B. 5 years in retirement, sitting on his ass.
Secondly, I've given you ample opportunities to make an economic argument against higher taxes on the rich...calling you out on that point specifically because I know you can't do it.
So what has happened instead is that your argument has devolved to one of emotion, specifically around jealousy. As if you cannot conceive that your conventional wisdom is wrong, and that you're getting played.
YOU'RE NOT AS SMART AS YOU THINK YOU ARE.
Getin the ring
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It was nice of Pocahontas to disqualify herself by announcing she had a 30 trillion dollar health care plan with no idea how to pay for it.
Americans heard that one before, Obamacare failed and so will her and her dumb ideas, but disqualifying herself , again was nice of her
Americans heard that one before, Obamacare failed and so will her and her dumb ideas, but disqualifying herself , again was nice of her
Her plan details how it would be paid for...it's not her problem you're too fucking lazy to read it.
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
You idiot. That doesn't prove that most rich people don't work hard at all. You see what you're doing? You so desperately want to believe that most rich people don't work hard at all, that you're extrapolating a fact that doesn't apply to your conclusion. Why is it so important for you to believe that most rich people don't work hard at all. That's just stupid and wreaks with your irrational vilification of the wealthy. I don't care if most inherited their wealth. It's their family's wealth. Not yours. They earned it. They're allowed to keep it. You really have to quell your hatred for those more successful than you are. Harboring all that hate and resentment isn't healthy.
I'm not really religious but maybe you are and this will hit home:
Why is "You shall not covet" in the Ten Commandments?
Answer: The key to understanding this commandment is in the definition of the word “covet.” Two different Hebrew words are used in the passages condemning coveting (Exodus 20:17; Deuteronomy 5:21), and both mean “to lust after or to long for with great desire.” Since the commandments are given as “you shall not’s,” the desire in this case is for something that is not the property of the desirer and not rightfully his to long after. In this commandment, the Israelites are told not to lust after their neighbor’s possessions—his house, land, ox or donkey, or the people in his life—his wife or servants, both male and female. The Israelites were not to desire, long for, or set their hearts on anything that belonged to anyone else.
Whereas several of the commandments prohibit certain actions, such as murder and theft, this is one of the commandments that address the inner person, his heart and mind. As James 1:15 tells us, the inner person is where sin originates, and in this case, covetousness is the forerunner of all manner of sin, among them theft, burglary, and embezzlement. At its root, coveting is the result of envy, a sin which, once it takes root in the heart, leads to worse sins. Jesus reiterated this very thought in the Sermon on the Mount when He said that lust in the heart is every bit as sinful as committing adultery (Matthew 5:28). Envy goes beyond casting a longing glance at the neighbor’s new car. Once dwelled upon, envy of the neighbor’s possessions can turn to feelings of resentment and hatred for the neighbor himself. That can turn into resentment against God and questioning Him: “Why can’t I have what he has, Lord? Don’t you love me enough to give me what I want?”
God’s reasons for condemning covetousness are good ones. At its very core, envy is love of self. Envious, selfish citizens are unhappy and discontented citizens. A society built of such people is a weak one because envious malcontents, as stated before, will be more likely to commit crimes against one another, further weakening the societal structure. Furthermore, the New Testament identifies covetousness as a form of idolatry, a sin which God detests (Colossians 3:5). In the end, envy and covetousness are Satan’s tools to distract us from pursuing the only thing that will ever make us happy and content—God Himself. God’s Word tells us that “godliness with contentment is great gain” and that we should be content with the basic necessities of life (1 Timothy 6:6-8), because true happiness is not attained by things, but by a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ. By this alone do we gain that which is worthy, true, solid, satisfying, and durable—the unsearchable riches of God’s grace.
I rest my case.
Getin the ring
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The link literally said that the median dollar flows to the richest 5% of families.
You're telling me that the richest 5% of families work harder than the remaining 95%, and aren't just sitting there on their fat asses, collecting returns like Bill Gates did the last 5 years?
What is the "hard work" Bill Gates has done to increase his wealth 40% in retirement?
You idiot. That doesn't prove that most rich people don't work hard at all. You see what you're doing? You so desperately want to believe that most rich people don't work hard at all, that you're extrapolating a fact that doesn't apply to your conclusion. Why is it so important for you to believe that most rich people don't work hard at all. That's just stupid and wreaks with your irrational vilification of the wealthy. I don't care if most inherited their wealth. It's their family's wealth. Not yours. They earned it. They're allowed to keep it. You really have to quell your hatred for those more successful than you are. Harboring all that hate and resentment isn't healthy.
I'm not really religious but maybe you are and this will hit home:
Why is "You shall not covet" in the Ten Commandments?
Answer: The key to understanding this commandment is in the definition of the word “covet.” Two different Hebrew words are used in the passages condemning coveting (Exodus 20:17; Deuteronomy 5:21), and both mean “to lust after or to long for with great desire.” Since the commandments are given as “you shall not’s,” the desire in this case is for something that is not the property of the desirer and not rightfully his to long after. In this commandment, the Israelites are told not to lust after their neighbor’s possessions—his house, land, ox or donkey, or the people in his life—his wife or servants, both male and female. The Israelites were not to desire, long for, or set their hearts on anything that belonged to anyone else.
Whereas several of the commandments prohibit certain actions, such as murder and theft, this is one of the commandments that address the inner person, his heart and mind. As James 1:15 tells us, the inner person is where sin originates, and in this case, covetousness is the forerunner of all manner of sin, among them theft, burglary, and embezzlement. At its root, coveting is the result of envy, a sin which, once it takes root in the heart, leads to worse sins. Jesus reiterated this very thought in the Sermon on the Mount when He said that lust in the heart is every bit as sinful as committing adultery (Matthew 5:28). Envy goes beyond casting a longing glance at the neighbor’s new car. Once dwelled upon, envy of the neighbor’s possessions can turn to feelings of resentment and hatred for the neighbor himself. That can turn into resentment against God and questioning Him: “Why can’t I have what he has, Lord? Don’t you love me enough to give me what I want?”
God’s reasons for condemning covetousness are good ones. At its very core, envy is love of self. Envious, selfish citizens are unhappy and discontented citizens. A society built of such people is a weak one because envious malcontents, as stated before, will be more likely to commit crimes against one another, further weakening the societal structure. Furthermore, the New Testament identifies covetousness as a form of idolatry, a sin which God detests (Colossians 3:5). In the end, envy and covetousness are Satan’s tools to distract us from pursuing the only thing that will ever make us happy and content—God Himself. God’s Word tells us that “godliness with contentment is great gain” and that we should be content with the basic necessities of life (1 Timothy 6:6-8), because true happiness is not attained by things, but by a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ. By this alone do we gain that which is worthy, true, solid, satisfying, and durable—the unsearchable riches of God’s grace.
I rest my case.
So again, no economic argument and instead you're making a religious one?
So you're literally repeating the Prosperity Gospel. Like, literally word for word.
You cannot make an economic argument against higher taxes, so you're going to make a religious one?
What of "render unto Ceasar, what is Ceasar's"? Or are you just selectively chopping out Bible quotes because you have no actual economics to lean on?
Oh dear! We lost the vote of someone so fucking stupid, a reality TV show host grifted him.
Whatever will we do...besides continue winning elections and killing your representation one papercut at a time.