The solution for healthcare that will never be instituted

Robo said:
Typical leftist tactic! when ya can't make a rational point of debate, just slobber out another insult and hope somebody will think you're cute!!!
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I've made reasonable and rational points in what I have been saying.

You've avoided the points...because you are full of shit.
 
Robo said:
The facts here are that the left cannot make a rational argument why the states shouldn't and couldn't keep the money that the federal government waste on healthcare insurance and create their own health insurance systems as mandated by the 10th amendment to our Constitution, and thereby actually create a 50 state laboratory of experimentation that each state can learn from each other state and thereby come up with the very best health insurance policies in the end game.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, or prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." (Amendment 10, United States Constitution)
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And if they wanted to keep their slaves...they should have been allowed to do so...

...right, Robo?
 
Robo said:
The solution to good healthcare that will never be instituted because the human race is made up of morons, is simply to abide by the 10th amendment to our Constitution.

“The powers not delegated to the United Sates by the Constitution, or prohibited by it to the States are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

The federal government as designed by our founders incorporated the idea that the best way to avoid corrupted government was to empower the government closest to the people where they, (the people) could better know what was going on in government, i.e. State and local government and thereby the folks could be more informed about their politicians and vote the bastards out who were truly the bastards and vote the uncorrupted folks into government offices

The founders understood that the voters in state A had no control over who the voters in state B voted into a federal government, thus representatives from several states were more immune to the actual will of all of the people and thereby what the folks in one state accepted and promoted as moral and economic standards might well be rejected by folks in other states, thus we got the 10th amendment i.e. the founders didn’t believe that a federal government instituting federal “fits all” laws was a good idea. That’s why the federal government was designed by the Constitution to leave the majority of law making powers to the states, (as regulated by the individual rights and immunities guaranteed by the national Constitution), and only empower the federal government to do what the states and the folks couldn’t do for themselves, (see Article one section eight of our Constitution.

Fixing the nation’s healthcare system requires that a corrupt inept and incompetent federal government get the hell out of the healthcare business and leave the money and the power to design individual state healthcare system with the states. That’s exactly what our founders intended, a laboratory of states learning one from the other how to deliver to the people the best healthcare and thereby even promoting at the same time the right and freedom of the folks to vote with their feet and move to the states whereby they were most politically agreeable with, not just for healthcare, but for every moral and economic established system promoted and financed and delivered by a particular state.
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Your idea would guarantee 50 different degrees of quality of health care.
 
Robo is firing on empty. I provided what allowing the states to make decisions did to the banking and credit card industries and he could not understand it. The banks found a state with the weakest regulation and moved their headquarters there. Can you follow that Robo? A couple states removed the usury laws and allowed banks a free hand. Then the banks used those states standards and the exported those to all the customers in the country. It that really too tiough for you? When you have 50 states making rules, the banks will find the ones that give them the most power over customers. Can you understand? States rights is a fast way to the bottom. There is always some state that will eliminate needed regulation for a chance at a new industry. The other 49 states are just victims of those standards and the greed of banks. Can you understand the LCD now? The worst and lowest case will become the standard.
 
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Frank Apisa said:
Right now, the United States is not even ranked among the top 25 healthiest nations on the planet. (We're currently ranked #35.)

As far as healthcare is concerned...we are CONSISTENTLY ranked WORST among the industrialized/developed nations.

And healthcare costs in the US are CONSISTENTLY ranked the highest.

We ought to be ashamed of ourselves.

But we have assholes on the right, like you, in a dream world on the issue.
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All of those rankings Frankie are fake news proliferated by socialist so-called research operations.
 
Frank Apisa said:
I've made reasonable and rational points in what I have been saying.

You've avoided the points...because you are full of shit.
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review to me your so-called "points" Frankie! Review your reasoning that I'm "full of shit" because.........
 
Frank Apisa said:
And if they wanted to keep their slaves...they should have been allowed to do so...

...right, Robo?
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Once again Frankie, I repeat, slavery is an unconstitutional violation of individual rights. "Neither slavery or involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted shall exist within the United States or anyplace subject to their jurisdiction." (Amendment 13, United States Constitution)
 
Margot Frank said:
Your idea would guarantee 50 different degrees of quality of health care.
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It's not my idea, it's the founders that created the Bill Of Rights idea, see amendment 10 of the U.S. Constitution.

The fact that it would create 50 state assemblies and Governors, (the politicians closest to the people of each state respectively), all working on the very best kind of medical insurance for the citizens of their states is "EXACTLY" the idea the founders intended because the founders never trusted a central government with powers over the entire masses of the nation simply because a centralized government with too much power and to far detached from the citizens would become corrupt, authoritarian and tyrannical and should only have the power over acts whereby the States and or the people could not perform such action for themselves. And such a system would also in the process afford the rights of every citizen to vote with their feet and locate themselves in the state/states that best fit their political ideological identity. The founders were all about maximum freedom under Constitutional law.
 
Nordberg said:
Robo is firing on empty. I provided what allowing the states to make decisions did to the banking and credit card industries and he could not understand it. The banks found a state with the weakest regulation and moved their headquarters there. Can you follow that Robo? A couple states removed the usury laws and allowed banks a free hand. Then the banks used those states standards and the exported those to all the customers in the country. It that really too tiough for you? When you have 50 states making rules, the banks will find the ones that give them the most pewer over customers. Can you understand? States rights is a fast way to the bottom. There is always some state that will e;liminate needed regulation for a chance at a new industry. The other 49 states are just victims of those standards and the greed of banks. Can you understand the LCD now? The worst and lowest case will become the standard.
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OK Nordi. Thank you for your explanation. Now tell me how that correlates with health insurance and we’ll rationally discuss it.
 
According to the biased socialist World Health Organization The United States ranks 37 out of 190 other countries. Even if that’s the actual, truthful ranking, it’s only caused by America’s federal government meddling in America’s health insurance business whereby they have no constitutional authority or business expertise.

The U.S. is famous for over-spending on health care. The nation spent 17.8 percent of its GDP on health care in 2016. Meanwhile, the average spending of 11 high-income countries assessed in a new report published in the Journal of the American Medical Association — Canada, Germany, Australia, the U.K,. Japan, Sweden, France, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark and the U.S. — was only 11.5 percent.

Per capita, the U.S. spent $9,403. That's nearly double what the others spent.

This finding offers a new explanation as to why America's spending is so excessive. According to the researchers at the Harvard Chan School, what sets the U.S. apart may be inflated prices across the board.

In the U.S., they point out, drugs are more expensive. Doctors get paid more. Hospital services and diagnostic tests cost more. And a lot more money goes to planning, regulating and managing medical services at the administrative level. https
 
The median four-year cost of medical school (including expenses and books) was $278,455 for private schools, and $207,866 for public schools in 2013 according to the Association of American Medical Colleges. Sorry I don't have current figures, but I'm sure inflation has caused the cost to be much more today.

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Because the medical professions are such a breadwinner, most especially for doctors and dentists, there are plenty of Medical School Applicants, and that number is continuing to mushroom every year!

And given the fact that most Medical School tuitions are paid through Government student loans, you can see the millions of dollars of student debt alone, that is tying up money that tacks straight onto the National Debt every year- in just Medical School tuition fees alone.

Perhaps it is time to use a new approach, and have two separate Medical choices in America for the workers in that industry and for the consumers of Medical services.

What if America and it's people did decide they wanted a socialized choice for medical insurance and care?

The Free Enterprise Medical Industry to stay the same as it is now- or a new Socialized medical option for both those who would commit to working in it after graduation in exchange for going to school at the government's expense, as the government would pick up the tab for those willing to commit 20 years of service to Socialized Care.

That is just a question! Don't shoot the messenger, put your big boy pants on, think outside your ass for a minute, and hear me out!

I don't see why we can't have both.

And I don't see why Americans can't have a choice!

In other words, if you are content with the Free Enterprise Medical system we currently have, Knock yourselves out- I say go for it.

However, if you want or have a dire need for a cheaper option, and agree to using the socialized option. and seek your medical attentions from within the Socialized Single payer option- that should be an option and your personal decision for you and your family!

No more Obamacare- and no one falling through the cracks either!
 
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Robo said:
It's not my idea, it's the founders that created the Bill Of Rights idea, see amendment 10 of the U.S. Constitution.

The fact that it would create 50 state assemblies and Governors, (the politicians closest to the people of each state respectively), all working on the very best kind of medical insurance for the citizens of their states is "EXACTLY" the idea the founders intended because the founders never trusted a central government with powers over the entire masses of the nation simply because a centralized government with too much power and to far detached from the citizens would become corrupt, authoritarian and tyrannical and should only have the power over acts whereby the States and or the people could not perform such action for themselves. And such a system would also in the process afford the rights of every citizen to vote with their feet and locate themselves in the state/states that best fit their political ideological identity. The founders were all about maximum freedom under Constitutional law.
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Steaming pile of horseshit
 
Robo said:
Once again Frankie, I repeat, slavery is an unconstitutional violation of individual rights. "Neither slavery or involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted shall exist within the United States or anyplace subject to their jurisdiction." (Amendment 13, United States Constitution)
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Once again, Robo, I repeat: You are an asshole.
 
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