The solution for healthcare that will never be instituted

[Robo]

You ARE full of shit.

If you want a review...read the thread again.

Thank you Frankie for proving you have no rational. credible or honest arguments in opposition to the original post. All you have is unproven fake news leftist talking points.

Just lay out your reasoning as to why the OP presents a bad, unworkable idea and present a better affordable constitutional idea Frankie! Is that asking too much Frankie?

 

[Robo]

Once again, Robo, I repeat: You are an asshole.

Robo is an asshole, because? Can you not present specifics Frankie? You need to back up your unfounded opinions and insults with evidence Frankie!!!! Take note Frankie that Robo doesn't need to use juvenile insults to debate his positions. Notice that Robo always presents evidence to back up his opinions and correct post Frankie. Notice that Robo is the "adult" in the room Frankie!!!!!

 

[Guno צְבִי]

The VA provides terrific care. It is overwhelmed because we have eternal wars. But it is very different from the people's care. Doctors are on salary and do not make you take unneeded tests. They take the time to deal with the patients. It is different than doctors who get paid by the procedure. The VA docs get rated on results. It is a better system.
Corporate medical care is a for-profit system that is evaluated by how much money can be squeezed out of the healthcare providers and patients.

its the same with medicare, it is based on outcomes

 

[Ross Dolan]

Robo is an asshole, because? Can you not present specifics Frankie? You need to back up your unfounded opinions and insults with evidence Frankie!!!! Take note Frankie that Robo doesn't need to use juvenile insults to debate his positions. Notice that Robo always presents evidence to back up his opinions and correct post Frankie. Notice that Robo is the "adult" in the room Frankie!!!!!

YOU are an asshole...BECAUSE YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE. I suspect you cannot help it.

YOU probably have not been "the adult in the room" ever.

But it is fun watching you pretend to be.

Does Mommy allow you to wear adult people dresses?

 

[TOP]

Be Careful

 

[Robo]

YOU are an asshole...BECAUSE YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE. I suspect you cannot help it.

YOU probably have not been "the adult in the room" ever.

But it is fun watching you pretend to be.

Does Mommy allow you to wear adult people dresses?

Thanks Frankie! I've known all along that you never had any rational, civil, honest or worthy contribution to present to this thread! You're only reason for hanging out here is to parrot leftist fake news, leftist talking points and juvenile insults. Have a great day Frankie!

 

[Ross Dolan]

Thanks Frankie! I've known all along that you never had any rational, civil, honest or worthy contribution to present to this thread! You're only reason for hanging out here is to parrot leftist fake news, leftist talking points and juvenile insults. Have a great day Frankie!

Fuck you, Robo.

American conservatives have done their best to turn America into a swamp for years now. It mostly started with an amiable enough guy...Ronald Reagan. He appealed to me on a superficial basis...and I voted for him the first time he ran. His inaugural address convinced me that I had probably done the wrong thing...and his first term proved that assessment to be correct.

Reagan convinced American conservatives that "government" was not part of "the solution", but was the problem.

Never has anything so idiotic been sold with such success...to the serious detriment of our Republic.

Now, this disgusting abomination in the White House, has convinced a significant number of people that anything reported in the news which offends the sensibility of the scum known as American conservatism, can be called "fake news"...further damaging the Republic.

I'm hoping the bleating of Donald Trump's chumps signal the death throes of American conservatism. American conservatism is one of the most repulsive political philosophies ever to pollute planet Earth…the philosophy favored by some of the most demented, sickening, moronic, gullible people ever to live. We American, and by extension, the people of the world, will be well rid of that garbage when it goes.

 

[Robo]

Fuck you, Robo.

American conservatives have done their best to turn America into a swamp for years now. It mostly started with an amiable enough guy...Ronald Reagan. He appealed to me on a superficial basis...and I voted for him the first time he ran. His inaugural address convinced me that I had probably done the wrong thing...and his first term proved that assessment to be correct.

Reagan convinced American conservatives that "government" was not part of "the solution", but was the problem.

Never has anything so idiotic been sold with such success...to the serious detriment of our Republic.

Now, this disgusting abomination in the White House, has convinced a significant number of people that anything reported in the news which offends the sensibility of the scum known as American conservatism, can be called "fake news"...further damaging the Republic.

I'm hoping the bleating of Donald Trump's chumps signal the death throes of American conservatism. American conservatism is one of the most repulsive political philosophies ever to pollute planet Earth…the philosophy favored by some of the most demented, sickening, moronic, gullible people ever to live. We American, and by extension, the people of the world, will be well rid of that garbage when it goes.

Congratulations Frankie!!! You managed a 6 paragraph rant of nothing but insulting, unfounded accusations and leftist partisan-ism and hatred. It must be awful for you Frankie to live such a hyper hate ridden unhappy life.

 

[Nordberg]

OK Nordi. Thank you for your explanation. Now tell me how that correlates with health insurance and we’ll rationally discuss it.

You dumb shit. You are pushing states setting up their own insurance. 50 different plans are a buffet for healthcare providers to pick the best menu for their profits.
But oddly, in Canada, it worked. Tommy Douglas started a plan in Saskatchewan that was universal health care. The other provinces saw how much better it worked and Canada has national, universal healthcare.

In Canada, they were looking for a better way to serve the people. Here, we have health insurance companies and the medical establishment only interested in maxing profits.
Anyone with firing neurons knows our system sucks.

 

[MAGA MAN]

The solution to good healthcare that will never be instituted because the human race is made up of morons, is simply to abide by the 10th amendment to our Constitution.

“The powers not delegated to the United Sates by the Constitution, or prohibited by it to the States are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

The federal government as designed by our founders incorporated the idea that the best way to avoid corrupted government was to empower the government closest to the people where they, (the people) could better know what was going on in government, i.e. State and local government and thereby the folks could be more informed about their politicians and vote the bastards out who were truly the bastards and vote the uncorrupted folks into government offices

The founders understood that the voters in state A had no control over who the voters in state B voted into a federal government, thus representatives from several states were more immune to the actual will of all of the people and thereby what the folks in one state accepted and promoted as moral and economic standards might well be rejected by folks in other states, thus we got the 10th amendment i.e. the founders didn’t believe that a federal government instituting federal “fits all” laws was a good idea. That’s why the federal government was designed by the Constitution to leave the majority of law making powers to the states, (as regulated by the individual rights and immunities guaranteed by the national Constitution), and only empower the federal government to do what the states and the folks couldn’t do for themselves, (see Article one section eight of our Constitution.

Fixing the nation’s healthcare system requires that a corrupt inept and incompetent federal government get the hell out of the healthcare business and leave the money and the power to design individual state healthcare system with the states. That’s exactly what our founders intended, a laboratory of states learning one from the other how to deliver to the people the best healthcare and thereby even promoting at the same time the right and freedom of the folks to vote with their feet and move to the states whereby they were most politically agreeable with, not just for healthcare, but for every moral and economic established system promoted and financed and delivered by a particular state.

Both the 9th and the 10th Amendments say nearly the same thing, which stresses their importance, and have been ignored by all three branches of FedCo for at least the last 110 years.

 

[Guno צְבִי]

Both the 9th and the 10th Amendments say nearly the same thing, which stresses their importance, and have been ignored by all three branches of FedCo for at least the last 110 years.

 

[MAGA MAN]

As usual, guno can't debate.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Congratulations Frankie!!! You managed a 6 paragraph rant of nothing but insulting, unfounded accusations and leftist partisan-ism and hatred. It must be awful for you Frankie to live such a hyper hate ridden unhappy life.

I live a wonderful life. I am one of the luckiest people in the world. Very, very content.

Here in the forum...I get to tell people like you that I consider you to be an asshole. Great fun.

Sorry you are so triggered by what I have to say...but that's something you have to live with.

Oh...your Dear Leader wouldn't piss on you if you caught on fire in his presence.

 

[Vasquezrocks]

I live a wonderful life. I am one of the luckiest people in the world. Very, very content.

Here in the forum...I get to tell people like you that I consider you to be an asshole. Great fun.

Sorry you are so triggered by what I have to say...but that's something you have to live with.

Oh...your Dear Leader wouldn't piss on you if you caught on fire in his presence.

Joined Jan 2018 ... 11,624 posts ..... You don't have a life !

 

[Ross Dolan]

Joined Jan 2018 ... 11,624 posts ..... You don't have a life !

I have a very full life...and lots of vigor. I can cook a full meal and make time for a dozen posts while doing so. I can watch a football game that is meaningful for me...and post a dozen comments.

In any case, most of my posts have been during the off season. When the courses open...I spend much less time here...although even then I make sure to give it my all.

If you want to compare what our lives have been like...we can do it. I promise I will not embellish.

 

[LV426]

Private everything except for what our founders delegated to the feds, Article One, Section 8, is better than everything else government unconstitutionally does

No it's not.

This is your subjective opinion, informed by 40 years of Conservative bias that has turned your brain into mush and your mind against the institution of government.

 

[iolo]

American healthcare is a world-known shambles. Get yourselves an NHS fast.

 

[LV426]

The welfare system is going bankrup

How so?

Red states are using the welfare block grant to close their budget gaps, so wouldn't that mean that red states are going bankrupt, not the "welfare system"?

 

[LV426]

the debt is 22 trillion $ and you want more of it.

1. We could have paid off the debt by 2010 if you Conservatives hadn't cut taxes in 2001-3.
2. Where was all this concern when you added at least $2T to the debt with your Russia Tax Cuts from December 2017?
3. It's not "welfare" that adds to the debt, it's a deliberate reduction of revenue; like the Russia Tax Cut, that nearly doubled the deficit.
4. What happened to all the deficit concern you had during Obama that you tossed out the window the moment Trump became President?
5. I'm all about tax and spend, which means programs are largely deficit-neutral. "Tax and spend" by definition doesn't add to the deficit because you're taxing enough to pay for the expansion of programs.

The feds fucked up private healthcare insuranc

Conservative economics only work when every variable is controlled inside a vacuum. How do the Feds "fuck up" private insurance, when private insurance is regulated by the states right now? Wouldn't you mean that the states fucked up private insurance, since each state is allowed to regulate it separately?

about it it's operated by a government/BIG Phrma. cabal racket written by lobbyist and crooked politicians.

You keep saying this, but you don't explain how?

In a single payer system, there are no private insurers who can corrupt the mechanism. Likewise, in a single payer system, the single payer holds the leverage and bargaining power over Pharma companies, and can use its leverage to negotiate for cheaper drugs...like what Medicare is prohibited from doing now thanks to Medicare Part-D. So explain how a single payer system would be "written" by drug lobbyists when the entire point of a single payer is to take on the drug companies by using its leverage as the single payer to lower costs?

 

[Ross Dolan]

American healthcare is a world-known shambles. Get yourselves an NHS fast.

Our healthcare system is the WORST in the industrialized world...the costliest per capita...and the least effective.

We should be ashamed of it...and most of us are.

We will correct it. The sane people of our nation are demanding that we do.