The solution for healthcare that will never be instituted

[Robo]

Why make mistakes when you don't have to?

Because that's how mankind gets the best education.all education is derived from successes and failures.

Why give your healthcare and its insurance policy to the feds who have failed and failed and still never learned anything? That's the right question.

 

[LV426]

That's why I promote a 50 state laboratory experiment whereby one state can learn from the other regarding successful and failed insurance systems and thereby establish the very best of the lot.

We've already done the experiment for 60 years.

You're denying the results of those experiments because of your inherent bias against the institution of government.

 

[LV426]

HORSESHIT!!!!!

Americans With Government Health Plans Most Satisfied
Americans' satisfaction with the way the healthcare system works for them varies by the type of insurance they have. Satisfaction is highest among those with veterans or military health insurance, Medicare and Medicaid, and is lower among those with employer-paid and self-paid insurance. Americans with no health insurance are least satisfied of all.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-health-plans-satisfied.aspx

Stop.

 

[Robo]

It's not control over the health care system!

It's merely control over the administration that reimburses your doctor for care after they've already treated you.

The service was already provided...you have no reason or need to be involved in how it's reimbursed afterwards.

Yeesh.

Oh! is that right? They just pay the bills and never REGULATE the care, right? Me thinks you're sadly mistaken friend!!!

 

[Robo]

We've already done the experiment for 60 years.

You're denying the results of those experiments because of your inherent bias against the institution of government.

And that friend is why we're so fucked up!!! It hasn't been "WE", it's been "THEY." The incompetent crooked feds!!!

 

[LV426]

Because that's how mankind gets the best education.

We've spent the last 60-80 years of private insurance making nothing but mistakes.

Those experiments with the private health insurance market have results...you're just denying those results because they don't comport with your narrow world view.

It's not that private insurance makes mistakes, it's that private insurance is the mistake.

 

[LV426]

Why give your healthcare and its insurance policy to the feds who have failed and failed and still never learned anything? That's the right question.

Again, no one is giving health care to the Feds. The only thing single payer changes is who reimburses your provider after they treat you. It's not a part of health care you are involved with, and changes nothing for how health care is delivered to you. It's the back-end of the process, after treatment has occurred.

The private insurance market hasn't made mistakes the last 60-80 years, they are the mistake.

 

[Robo]

No, that's just your stupid bias, polluted with 40 years of Conservative messaging that government is the problem.

As PJ O'Rourke said, "Conservatives believe government is the problem, then get elected and prove it."

The system works fine for Medicare, which is the largest "insurer" in the United States with 65,000,000 enrollees.

Medicare/ Medicaid is going bankrupt and unsustainable and you want the feds to force it on everybody, right?

The 10 amendment isn't a "conservative" idea, it's a classical liberal idea. It liberates the states and restricts the feds to their only righteous reason for their being, to do ONLY what the States and the people cannot do for themselves."

 

[LV426]

Oh! is that right? They just pay the bills and never REGULATE the care, right? Me thinks you're sadly mistaken friend!!!

Insurance companies regulate care now...it's called "denying claims". They are doing that with a profit motive in mind.

An insurance company has nothing to do with your care other than restricting it.

An insurance company restricts your choice of what doctors you can see. Do you not want choice?

 

[Nordberg]

The VA provides terrific care. It is overwhelmed because we have eternal wars. But it is very different from the people's care. Doctors are on salary and do not make you take unneeded tests. They take the time to deal with the patients. It is different than doctors who get paid by the procedure. The VA docs get rated on results. It is a better system.
Corporate medical care is a for-profit system that is evaluated by how much money can be squeezed out of the healthcare providers and patients.

 

[LV426]

And that friend is why we're so fucked up!!! It hasn't been "WE", it's been "THEY." The incompetent crooked feds!!!

Stop.

Just stop.

States have been free to regulate their insurance, the way you wanted, for the last 60-80 years.

The results of letting that experiment occur is the current fucked up system we have now.

Health insurance companies are not germane to health care.

 

[Robo]

Again, no one is giving health care to the Feds. The only thing single payer changes is who reimburses your provider after they treat you. It's not a part of health care you are involved with, and changes nothing for how health care is delivered to you. It's the back-end of the process, after treatment has occurred.

The private insurance market hasn't made mistakes the last 60-80 years, they are the mistake.

You sir simply refuse to accept the truth that SINGLE PAYER by the feds is FORCE! It eliminates private insurance and replaces it with BIG GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS!!!!!

 

[LV426]

Medicare/ Medicaid is going bankrupt

No they're not.

and unsustainable and you want the feds to force it on everybody, right?

Not unsustainable at all.

The 10 amendment isn't a "conservative" idea, it's a classical liberal idea.

You can rebrand your shitty beliefs all you want, but a turd is a turd regardless of how much polish you put on it.

t liberates the states and restricts the feds to their only righteous reason for their being, to do ONLY what the States and the people cannot do for themselves."

We have experimented with state-based private health insurance for the last 60+ years and it hasn't produced any positive results.

When are you going to accept that?

You just have an inherent bias against government as an institution that you have fused to your personal identity. So if that bias is proven foolish, you end up looking foolish. So that's what this is ultimately all about; you and your fragile ego.

Get a grip.

 

[LV426]

The VA provides terrific care. It is overwhelmed because we have eternal wars. But it is very different from the people's care. Doctors are on salary and do not make you take unneeded tests. They take the time to deal with the patients. It is different than doctors who get paid by the procedure. The VA docs get rated on results. It is a better system.
Corporate medical care is a for-profit system that is evaluated by how much money can be squeezed out of the healthcare providers and patients.

That's why veterans care is the highest rated in Gallup's patient satisfaction survey.

 

[LV426]

You sir simply refuse to accept the truth that SINGLE PAYER by the feds is FORCE!

Your insurance company forces you right now. They restrict your choices. That's what provider networks are, dingus.

A single payer eliminates provider networks, offering you more choices as a patient.

So do you want choice and control over your health care, or not?

It eliminates private insurance and replaces it with BIG GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS!!!!!

Like what?

 

[Ross Dolan]

Stop.

Just stop.

States have been free to regulate their insurance, the way you wanted, for the last 60-80 years.

The results of letting that experiment occur is the current fucked up system we have now.

Health insurance companies are not germane to health care.

Robo is one of those people who wanted "states" to decide whether to allow slavery or not.

"Not a job for the federal government," would be his mantra.

 

[Nordberg]

States having control, resulted in the insurance companies moving their headquarters to the state with the least regulation and most potential profits. When the financial industry was allowed to the states, a couple of them eliminated usury and allowed them total control. That is why Credit Card companies and many banks moved headquarters to a couple small states., Soth Dakota and New Hampshire, https://www.marketplace.org/2009/03/25/business/borrowers/sioux-falls-town-credit-built Fact is allowing states the power will result in consumers getting utoasted. It sounds like a good idea, but in practice is a disaster.
I would not want healthcare to get that power.

 

[Robo]

States having control, resulted in the insurance companies moving their headquarters to the state with the least regulation and most potential profits. When the financial industry was allowed to the states, a couple of them eliminated urury and allowed them total control. That is why Credit Card companies and many banks moved headquarters to a couple small states., Soth Dakota and New Hampshire, https://www.marketplace.org/2009/03/25/business/borrowers/sioux-falls-town-credit-built Fact is allowing states the power will result in consumers getting utoasted. It sounds like a good idea, but in practice is a disaster.
I would not want healthcare to get that power.

Well Nordi, before the federal government got involved unconstitutionally in health insurance, THE STATES had control of health insurance and America had some of the best healthcare in the world, I know because I'm 82 and lived then before Medicare and the rest of this screwed up government corporate insurance racket ever took wings. We could afford to pay doctors for primary care out of our pockets, didn't need no stinking insurance. Doctors didn't need a team of paper pushers to sort out a car load of paper work for medicare and private insurance situations. We didn't sue doctors and hospitals for any reason except gross malpractice and doctors and hospitals didn't need millions of dollars worth of insurance to protect themselves. Doctors donated their time and talents to low cost and free clinics and hospitals donated space, offices and equipment to those clinics. We bought catastrophic hospital major medical insurance with low affordable premiums.

 

[Robo]

Robo is one of those people who wanted "states" to decide whether to allow slavery or not.

"Not a job for the federal government," would be his mantra.

Slavery is and was a violation of individual rights. State's control over health insurance is a constitutional power awarded to the states by the Constitution. Your analogy is juvenile and laughable. You'd do better to attempt to make a rational argument instead of childish insults.

 

[Robo]

We've spent the last 60-80 years of private insurance making nothing but mistakes.

Those experiments with the private health insurance market have results...you're just denying those results because they don't comport with your narrow world view.

It's not that private insurance makes mistakes, it's that private insurance is the mistake.

Private everything except for what our founders delegated to the feds, Article One, Section 8, is better than everything else government unconstitutionally does! The welfare system is going bankrupt and the debt is 22 trillion $ and you want more of it. The feds fucked up private healthcare insurance and there's little to nothing left "private" about it it's operated by a government/BIG Phrma. cabal racket written by lobbyist and crooked politicians.