Robo
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If you're so positive about single payer, then surely you can make a rational argument WHY it can't be instituted by the States without meddling by the feds,right? I'll wait!!!
The solution for healthcare that will never be instituted
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If you're so positive about single payer, then surely you can make a rational argument WHY it can't be instituted by the States without meddling by the feds,right? I'll wait!!!
It's not paying for treatments...it's reimbursing providers for care. It's not a transaction in the sense that you go to checkout. Once you receive treatment, that's it for you as a patient. Your presence in the process from there is non-existent. All single payer does is establish one entity that handles that back end, not for profit. It's a change you won't notice other than you'll be likely paying less of a premium in taxes than you would in premiums, copays, deductibles, coinsurance, ambulance fees, hospital fees, drug costs, etc.
OMG, circular discussion!
Because disease is portable, so the administration of reimbursements for treatment of those diseases needs to be too.
There is no benefit to you as a patient to have a fragmented insurance market since all insurance companies do is administrate reimbursement from the pool you've already paid into.
Wow, what a fucking idiot.
Robo
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And following the Constitution and leaving health insurance up to the individual states and thereby creating a 50 state laboratory experiment whereby one state can learn from another and the best solutions for health insurance become developed as the founders designed with the 10th amendment is nuts because?????
You tell me.
You are the one saying it is nuts...not I.
I'm the guy saying we should leave it to experts, because people shooting their mouths off in Internet fora (like you) really don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Right?
It isn't about health you fucking moron. Single payer will put you at greater risk. But you're a low IQ moron on steroids who can't possibly comprehend the OBVIOUS.
Moron thinks there's a difference between paying and reimbursing. 
Here's what the experts think of morons like you Frankie:
Jonathan Gruber Videos: Americans "Too Stupid to Understand" Obamacare
Robo
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Actually friend, The whole point is that each individual state is an "ENTITY UNTO ITSELF," and 50 of them learning from the mistakes and successes of each other rather depending on a bloated federal bureaucracy operated by BIG Pharma and health insurance lobbyist and by nature staffed by incompetent power seeking crooks is hardy my idea of a laboratory of good decisions, but 50 states are a much better idea.
Right, but again, when it comes to your health, state borders are meaningless.
A single payer entity can use its leverage to lower costs everywhere because it's the single payer.
Yeesh.
Why make mistakes when you don't have to?
There exists no reason why fragmenting the insurance market on nationwide health care improves or enhances your care.
Who reimburses your provider after you receive care is not germane to your care. It's a part of the process that happens after you receive care.
A single payer system eliminates the need for private insurance and gives the power to the single payer to negotiate for cheaper drug prices, like what Medicare has been prohibited from doing since Part-D. So it's hard to see how you can argue Big Pharma is operating a single payer system when a single payer system uses its leverage to negotiate with Big Pharma.
It sounds to me like you've never negotiated for anything in your life.
By nature?
Conservatives say government is the problem, then get elected and prove it.
FACT - all forms of government insurance have higher patient satisfaction ratings than all forms of private insurance.
Robo
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Define "provider." Healthcare provider, or health insurance "provider?"
Health care provider, such as a doctor or specialist.
Health care delivery is not improved or enhanced by tying a profit motive to the administration of reimbursement to your provider (doctor) after your provider (doctor) treats you.
The only part of health care we are seeking to change has nothing to do with how your health care is delivered to you. It's solely a part of the process that happens after you've already received treatment. It is not germane to your health care.
Also, it is way simpler for people to understand our health care system if they don't have to pay premiums, enroll in plans that provide access to specific networks...single payer eliminates provider networks completely, giving you more choice for which providers you want to see.
Single payer creates more choice for patients to see the doctors they want, as opposed to having the choice of insurance companies who restrict patients' choice in providers.
Robo
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If the federal government is the Single Entity, influenced by BIG Pharma lobbyist and health insurance crooks, we'll be sorry for the day when we allow that "ENTITY" have total control over our healthcare system and its insurance. Every move it makes is a disaster. That's why I promote a 50 state laboratory experiment whereby one state can learn from the other regarding successful and failed insurance systems and thereby establish the very best of the lot.
What sense does it make to have to choose an insurance plan to see the doctor you want to see, when you can skip that choice and instead just have a choice of what doctor you want to see?
Single payer eliminates provider networks, which gives you more choice and more control over your health care. In private insurance, you are bound to the narrow provider networks, so if there's a doctor you want to see that isn't in your network, you're fucked because you're bound to your provider network until you wait a year to enroll in a different plan.
1. How would it be influenced by health insurance crooks since it eliminates the need for health insurance?
2. How is it influenced by Big Pharma crooks since it becomes the sole entity with all the bargaining power to negotiate for lower fees?
Think carefully.
Robo
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HORSESHIT!!!!!
It's not control over the health care system!
It's merely control over the administration that reimburses your doctor for care after they've already treated you.
The service was already provided...you have no reason or need to be involved in how it's reimbursed afterwards.
Yeesh.
No, that's just your stupid bias, polluted with 40 years of Conservative messaging that government is the problem.
As PJ O'Rourke said, "Conservatives believe government is the problem, then get elected and prove it."
The system works fine for Medicare, which is the largest "insurer" in the United States with 65,000,000 enrollees.